IA IA - Elizabeth Collins, 8, & Lyric Cook, 10, Evansdale, 13 July 2012 - #24

[Marilynilpa]

If this guy is any smarter than your average watermelon, I'm Mother Theresa.

The hallmark of this crime to my mind, has been planning.

He doesn't look like he could plan his way to a booze up in a brewery.

Gary Ridgeway, the Green River Killer, doesn't exactly look like a genius either, IMO, but he certainly was capable of planning and executing his crimes, and avoided apprehension for a great many years.

That doesn't mean I think this guy on FB is connected to Lyric and Lizzie in any way.

 

[otto]

So much so that had to bend over in front of camera just to pet the cat...:slap:

I think that it's perfectly understandable that, when this first happened, the family had to be completely transparent; to appear for the camera during the search for their children. If they did not appear in front of the camera, people questioned whether they were hiding something. Now, it's over. The children have been found and it is clear that someone did this to them. The family has every right to now bow out ... to include the community in their grief, but I see no reason to broadcast their grief on TV.

 

[passionflower]

Definately keep eye on this JJB
LE may be holding him til they get DNA
or confession.........anything.
Many here in PA get caught for 1 thing
then charged with high crime at arraignment.
Just happened to 4 people for killing a man a few
weeks ago.........SURPRISE!

 

[Marilynilpa]

Is it?

I would have thought that first and second degree sexual assault were the worst.

Third degree (reading the link) could easily mean a willing 15 year old and a stupid 19 year old.

Looks like we've already got one half of that equation, judging by his photo.

Your post asked if he was just "Grabbing a cute bum? Snatching a kiss?". My response was that it was more serious than that.

IMO, there is no such thing as a "willing 15 year old" in a sexual assault case.

 

[passionflower]

for DREW to comment, there must be a reason..........JMOO

 

[otto]

Well I've just read the link to Iowa's idea of sexual assault and am horrified to find that as long as you're married to the victim and living in the same house, it's perfectly legal.

:sick:

BBM

That's not what it says.

A person commits sexual abuse in the third degree when the person
performs a sex act under any of the following circumstances:
1. The act is done by force or against the will of the other
person, whether or not the other person is the person's spouse or is
cohabiting with the person.
2. The act is between persons who are not at the time cohabiting
as husband and wife and if any of the following are true:

http://coolice.legis.iowa.gov/Cool-...ory=billinfo&service=IowaCode&input=709#709.4

 

[LaborDayRN]

Drew just posted again. There is also a post by another Collins.

 

[passionflower]

Does this guy have a record?
Drug use?
Live or work near 1 of the scenes?

 

[artzypantz]

for DREW to comment, there must be a reason..........JMOO

He called him a Tough Guy in his comment, and that was all that was said by drew.....

If this guy had any connection to the girls murders, i would think the comment by drew would be a little different, more harsh???? imo......

Drew states they do not know if this guy has anything to do with the girls case, also states the police have not alerted them to any connections......

Artzy

 

[Marilynilpa]

He called him a Tough Guy in his comment, and that was all that was said by drew.....

If this guy had any connection to the girls murders, i would think the comment by drew would be a little different, more harsh???? imo......

Artzy

BBM

You might want to check out Drew's second comment - it's a little more detailed.

 

[artzypantz]

You might want to check out Drew's second comment - it's a little more detailed.

I did, he simply states that they have no idea if this guy is has anything to do with the girls case......he states the police have NOT alerted them to any connection, and that they said they would alert them should that be the case.....

Artzy

 

[Dr. Know?]

I'm not finding that guy in Iowa Court Records online.

 

[hollyblue]

for DREW to comment, there must be a reason..........JMOO

Yep. He's not too fond of a man who sexually assaults women....especially if he believes one murdered his daughter and niece. He's feeling the rage we have felt case after case here......yet more so, imo.

 

[Marilynilpa]

I did, he simply states that they have no idea if this guy is has anything to do with the girls case......he states the police have NOT alerted them to any connection, and that they said they would alert them should that be the case.....

Artzy

Right, that was his second comment which you didn't mention in your post - you said all Drew commented was "tough guy". I just wanted to set the record straight by pointing out to you that there was a second comment which I thought you might have missed.

 

[passionflower]

Yep. He's not too fond of a man who sexually assaults women....especially if he believes one murdered his daughter and niece. He's feeling the rage we have felt case after case here......yet more so, imo.

maybe no real commitment to DREW by LE; but MAYBE DREW heard rumors???
IMO, something is up...........

 

[passionflower]

I'm not finding that guy in Iowa Court Records online.

maybe sealed juvie???

 

[SapphireSteel]

Your post asked if he was just "Grabbing a cute bum? Snatching a kiss?". My response was that it was more serious than that.

IMO, there is no such thing as a "willing 15 year old" in a sexual assault case.

You haven't met my niece.

:banghead:

 

[SapphireSteel]

Gary Ridgeway, the Green River Killer, doesn't exactly look like a genius either, IMO, but he certainly was capable of planning and executing his crimes, and avoided apprehension for a great many years.

That doesn't mean I think this guy on FB is connected to Lyric and Lizzie in any way.

Gary Ridgway murdered prostitutes who willingly jumped into his car.

Completely different to spiriting away two little girls in the middle of the day, in the middle of town.

This is why LE use victimology - who is killed tells them a lot about who is killing.

:cow:

 

[Marilynilpa]

maybe no real commitment to DREW by LE; but MAYBE DREW heard rumors???
IMO, something is up...........

I check Blackhawk County Who's In Jail every day, sometimes several times a day. I imagine Drew does the same thing. When he sees someone has been arrested for sexual assault, he probably checks out the guy on FB just like I do.

I don't think that his comments under this guy's picture necessarily mean JJB has any connection to our girls.

 

[peeples]

I agree Marilyn.. just thought it was odd out of all the sex abuse cases posted there.. this one he comments on..... honestly first thing that came to mind.. wasn't Lyric and Elizabeth.. but one of their cousins who was being "groomed" by an older guy... do you guys remember that???