IA IA - Elizabeth Collins, 8, & Lyric Cook, 10, Evansdale, 13 July 2012 - #25

[Snowbunny]

That's right. We know that the children were last seen on Brovan at 12:15 and their bikes were at the drainage gate at 2:00. There is information that the girls were on Brovan until 12:23 and on Gilbert between Elmer and Arbutus between 12:30 and 1:00. I think those are the only times we know.

We can exclude the cyclist, and I think we can also exclude the social media theory about a sighting at the Fareway store. If there was a Fareway store sighting, police would also be asking for witnesses from that location ... and they are not.

That is very true, about the Fareway Store. LE would have been asking if anyone seen these two little angels at the store.

 

[otto]

They were very close to the same place at the same time.

Yes and no. The cyclist rode from East to West and rounded the lake to the parking lot, arriving at 12:28. The girls may have been on Gilbert heading in the direction of Arbutus between 12:30 and 1:00, after the cyclist was already around to the other side of the lake. The trail does not go around the lake like a circle, so they weren't really in the same place. Elmer runs into the parking lot. They were on opposite sides of Elmer.

 

[otto]

Ted Gameringer was riding his bike and swerved to get around the bikes
He said he did not talk to thepolice until monday afternoon.

Police have excluded him and his time line from the information that they have officially released.

 

[otto]

I understand what you are saying but I wonder if he got a look at the color of the bikes he swerved to avoid hitting.

The cyclist identified a location between the double fences, but it is not the same location where the girls' bikes were found. He saw bikes lying on the trail. Abben said that when he first arrived at the crime scene, the bikes were leaning against the fence. The cyclist's time conflicts with all the other times.

 

[iamnotagolem]

Looking forward to your thoughts!

You'll find that some of the linked content has been removed and other link content has been updated such that the quote in the comment no longer appears in the article.

One of the things that really stands out is just how long it took to declare it an abduction. Also, I see you asking several times if they took finger prints of the fence. I wonder if that was ever done, if prints were found in the fence, gate, etc we would know if the girls actually rode their bikes to the lake.

I also find it quite interesting that from the very beginning there was a lot of doubt that the girls actually rode to the lake.

 

[georger]

This is exactly my point about Aunt Tammy. In my opinion -- she is at the epicenter of this, but doesn't know it. There is a REASON she felt it necessary to teach the girls Stranger Danger lessons the week before they were abducted. There is a REASON that Lyric was with Tammy's 11-year old daughter during the first mysterious (albeit temporary) disappearance on 7/9. There has to be a reason why Tammy keeps saying they rode to/near the lake, when the rest of the family denies it. There is a reason that Tammy's 14-year old was being lured by a man in his '20s shortly after 7/13 and the police were called. And there is a reason that Tammy instinctively told the family to go look at the lake. This whole thing somehow revolves around her/someone she knows -- but she obviously doesn't know it!

Your scenario would address many issues -

I wonder if this 'Tammy' is aware of these questions amd of anyone has
addressed this possible scenario ?

 

[otto]

Where did the cyclist go after using the bathroom at the parking lot of Meyers Lake? If he left the parking lot via Elmer ... Sere-nity ... you're right ... he should have bumped right into them if they were seen in the area of Gilbert between Elmer and Arbutus at 12:30 - 1:00. (sorry ... slow thinker sometimes)

 

[daisynae]

Article That tells about Ted Gamerdinger seeing the bikes.


http://wcfcourier.com/news/evansdal...cle_c7394e3c-d6a6-11e1-a4f3-0019bb2963f4.html

 

[otto]

One of the things that really stands out is just how long it took to declare it an abduction. Also, I see you asking several times if they took finger prints of the fence. I wonder if that was ever done, if prints were found in the fence, gate, etc we would know if the girls actually rode their bikes to the lake.

I also find it quite interesting that from the very beginning there was a lot of doubt that the girls actually rode to the lake.

I don't think that I put any emphasis on taking fingerprints from a fence. There would be far too many prints on a fence, and a near impossibility of matching them. The time that a fingerprint is left cannot be verified on something like a fence ... I don't see the point.

 

[Sere-nity]

Yes and no. The cyclist rode from East to West and rounded the lake to the parking lot, arriving at 12:28. The girls may have been on Gilbert heading in the direction of Arbutus between 12:30 and 1:00, after the cyclist was already around to the other side of the lake. The trail does not go around the lake like a circle, so they weren't really in the same place. Elmer runs into the parking lot. They were on opposite sides of Elmer.

If he was at the washroom at the parking lot which that road is Elmer. I am speculating that he then left the area by road at which he would have taken Elmer. From this google map view it is not that far from the washroom to Gilbert.http://goo.gl/maps/23RtK

But I am only speculating, and not accusing anyone of anything. Just saying how close they may have been to each other.

 

[Squeeze]

BBM

The bikes were seen by a jogger at 2 PM, so it isn't possible that the girls were first taken to 7 Bridges Park and their bikes were later taken to Meyers Lake.

" Authorities are still searching for anyone who may have been at Meyers Lake before 3 p.m. on July 13, the day two cousins vanished from the community.

...

There was a gentleman who regularly runs around the lake. He didn’t see either one of the girls ... but he did see their bikes and he was able to pinpoint the time of the day that he saw the bikes. Small details like this are really important to the investigation,” she said."

http://wcfcourier.com/news/evansdal...cle_507d9bca-d2b1-11e1-8f0b-0019bb2963f4.html

"On Friday, July 13, 2012, Elizabeth Collins and Lyric Cook went for a bike ride in their hometown of Evansdale, Iowa, a small town that borders the eastern side of Waterloo, Iowa. The girls were seen riding their bikes at 12:30 p.m. that day. At approximately 2:00 p.m., their bikes were found near a gate on the trail that goes around Meyers Lake. Elizabeth and Lyric are still missing."

http://www.iowa.gov/odcp/docs/missingIowagirls.pdf

Just a thought, but are we sure they were the same bikes?? Because an open gate could be a curiosity of more than just two girls.

 

[otto]

Article That tells about Ted Gamerdinger seeing the bikes.


http://wcfcourier.com/news/evansdal...cle_c7394e3c-d6a6-11e1-a4f3-0019bb2963f4.html

The article is from July 26. A lot has changed since then ... especially the release of official times and sightings.

 

[otto]

If he was at the washroom at the parking lot which that road is Elmer. I am speculating that he then left the area by road at which he would have taken Elmer. From this google map view it is not that far from the washroom to Gilbert.http://goo.gl/maps/23RtK

But I am only speculating, and not accusing anyone of anything. Just saying how close they may have been to each other.

Good point! I had never really wondered where the cyclist went after he left the parking lot at Meyers Lake. He came from the trail, so it doesn't make sense to return on the trail. He should have ridden his bike out of the parking lot and been on Elmer, perpendicular to Gilbert ... at about 12:30 or 12:35. There is information that the girls were on Gilbert between Elmer and Arbutus between 12:30 and 1:00. They should have been there at the exact same time, and as an adult, even if the girls were a few minutes ahead of him, he would have caught up quickly. Where did he go after leaving the parking lot? Did he live North towards Waterloo, or South on the trail just East of Meyers Lake?

 

[otto]

Just a thought, but are we sure they were the same bikes?? Because an open gate could be a curiosity of more than just two girls.

Police have confirmed that the jogger saw the children's bike at the gate at 2:00. The gate wasn't open ... just not locked.

 

[georger]

I do believe 7-Bridges is very significant to him.

Simple question! :what: Almost a duhhhhh-question to me. :what:

Why wasn't the 7-Bridges location searched right from the git-go or
sooner?

Locals and LE knew about it. They knew its history. It's part of the area
and few places like it in the area ......... its unique in that area ?

Am I the only one a little surprised and puzzled ?

I mean folks, 'dont search the one giant drug park in the area'! Duhhh. Sure it a few miles
away from Evansdale but in this area to rural folks who travel everywhere for everything,
a few miles is nothing. People in small rural towns and the county regularly drive to county parks for recreation etc ... its S.O.P. for life in a rural area.

:banghead:

 

[Squeeze]

Police have confirmed that the jogger saw the children's bike at the gate at 2:00. The gate wasn't open ... just not locked.

Was it open later?? Or you're saying it was never standing open??

 

[otto]

I've just become really curious about where the cyclist went after his phone call. Based on what I know, I think he had to go the half block North on Elmer to Gilbert at about 12:30. That's the very same time that the girls may have been going South on Elmer to Gilbert. It seems that they would have been traveling in the same direction from Elmer on Gilbert, towards Arbutus, perhaps down Arbutus and across the grass, then around the corner to the start of the double fence area. The cyclist would have carried on to the Evansdale Nature Trail that runs south of Evansdale. The girls would have encountered a murderer.

Didn't he initially say that he used the washroom at the local Casey's? Did he also buy a drink there, or did he just have a drink of water when he phoned his daughter? Did he use the phone at the Meyers Lake parking lot where there is a washroom, and then go to the nearby Casey's or did he just change his story? I don't remember this detail.

 

[otto]

Was it open later?? Or you're saying it was never standing open??

My understanding is that the gate was closed, latched, but not routinely locked. It is locked now.

Actually, I just checked the link where I thought I read that it was latched ... I don't know for sure. Perhaps I always assumed that it was latched ... maybe someone else remembers if the gate was closed when police arrived.

 

[georger]

There is no information that the girls ever asked anyone for directions. Some social media websites have discussed this theory, but police have not said that the children were in the area of the Fareway store at any time.

If the girls had been in that particular location, even as "information" rather than fact (like the 12:23 report), then polce would be asking the public for information about the children in that location (like they've asked for information about Elmer/Gilbert/Arbutus).

The rumored Safeway stop:

Poster said the FBI has interviewed employees who were outside on smoking break.

Poster seemed to have a local tie ? And local knowledge?

This seems quite a "stretch" if made up or rumor ????????????

:banghead:

 

[Mjskit]

My understanding is that the gate was closed, latched, but not routinely locked. It is locked now.

The gate was closed at the 2pm sighting but wasn't it open when the bikes were found at 4pm?