IA IA - Elizabeth Collins, 8, & Lyric Cook, 10, Evansdale, 13 July 2012 - #27

[hollyblue]

Hmmm...just throwing around ideas again. :blushing:

I'm considering the thoughts that the girls weren't fully decomposed and there was reason to believe that they had been held for some time after the abduction.

I also wonder if there was some sort of message sent to LE somewhere along the way which lead them to believe the girls were alive.

They had said all along they thought the girls were alive...maybe up until the re-canvas? Maybe they had some sort of clue? Killer sending LE on a wild goose chase?

Then the family releases that letter to the killer. Typically those come out in the first few days of these events happening, don't they? Get the parents on camera crying and pleading for their return...that doesn't typically happen months after the kids go missing...right?

Was LE notified that the girls had been killed? And that's why they put out the statement for hunters to be on the look out?

All of that makes me consider that maybe LE was getting clues all along...messages stringing them along?

They never have been back to search around the lake again (that I know of) Is it because they knew there was nothing to find there??? That maybe they KNEW the bikes were just tossed there, and were told as much?

The reward was also increased by a significant amount just days before their bodies were found. Another sign that they were confident someone would crack?

Makes me think that could be why LE has been so tight lipped...and so confident that they were alive...:waitasec:

I have to admit, for a minute, I did wonder about the missing voice mail left on Drew's cell that he later found. Thinking it could have been from Lizzie after she disappeared.

 

[foxbluff]

It does...IF that was something they did prior to July 13th. But how the heck would they know their way there? Misty had only started the job just days before...so unless they'd made that ride before in the days just prior I wouldn't think they would even know the way there.

That just seems awfully far away for them to check if they don't leave a few block radius of the house while riding.

Can anyone tell how many miles it is from Collin's home to Elk Run?

BBM - I can't help you w/Elk Run for I'm still struggling over why family would have checked Meyers' Lake?!? lol

 

[foxbluff]

I have to admit, for a minute, I did wonder about the missing voice mail left on Drew's cell that he later found. Thinking it could have been from Lizzie after she disappeared.

:waitasec: I'm not even going to ask. That seems to be something I've missed along the way... lol

 

[tlcya]

:waitasec: I'm not even going to ask. That seems to be something I've missed along the way... lol

Don't remember that either but like you - not even gonna ask and open a big can of searching for link worms.

 

[Dr. Know?]

Re: the voicemail left by Elizabeth on Drew's phone. It was on the news.

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[palaminodee]

OT: It's about time...
http://www.knssradio.com/Facebook-Unveils-Powerful-New-Search-Tool/15279286

 

[carbuff]

This guy?

Yes, that's the RSO the car rumor is about. I think.

Again, it's all rumor; most likely this guy is being targeted because of some coincidences and his past, and had no more to do with the crime than you or I did.

 

[otto]

It seems to me that a fairly standard approach to solving two murders is to analyze the evidence and follow the leads. It seems that looking at all the criminals that live near the place where the murders occurred and speculating on which one may have committed the murders is a very backwards approach to any investigation.

 

[cindersoot]

It seems to me that a fairly standard approach to solving two murders is to analyze the evidence and follow the leads. It seems that looking at all the criminals that live near the place where the murders occurred and speculating on which one may have committed the murders is a very backwards approach to any investigation.

redruM.

 

[Tennlyn]

It seems to me that a fairly standard approach to solving two murders is to analyze the evidence and follow the leads. It seems that looking at all the criminals that live near the place where the murders occurred and speculating on which one may have committed the murders is a very backwards approach to any investigation.

What evidence do we have to analyze?

 

[GrainneDhu]

Amen to that! Thank you GrainneDhu. I respect your opinions very much. I have not walked in these people's shoes, nor would I ever want to. To be under such a powerful microscope, I cannot imagine. And, I admit I remind myself of a certain aunt who is easily excitable.

Then you are probably a very loveable person. It's odd but every person I've ever met that I'd describe as excitable was also very loveable.

 

[GrainneDhu]

It does...IF that was something they did prior to July 13th. But how the heck would they know their way there? Misty had only started the job just days before...so unless they'd made that ride before in the days just prior I wouldn't think they would even know the way there.

That just seems awfully far away for them to check if they don't leave a few block radius of the house while riding.

Can anyone tell how many miles it is from Collin's home to Elk Run?

We know the girls didn't ride there.

But if I were a worried grandmother, trying to imagine where on earth my young granddaughters were... I think one of the possibilities that would go through my mind would be that they set off to see their mama/auntie who was working not so very far away.

I think I would come up with all sorts of scenarios, many of them unrealistic because I wouldn't want to think of darker possibilities.

 

[Squeeze]

Thanks for the map, I do so much better with visual aids!

That's a pretty long way to go just to visit Misty at work, IMO.

And they would probably have caught hell once they got there.

 

[carbuff]

It seems to me that a fairly standard approach to solving two murders is to analyze the evidence and follow the leads. It seems that looking at all the criminals that live near the place where the murders occurred and speculating on which one may have committed the murders is a very backwards approach to any investigation.

There is a school of profiling that tries to analyze the geography of a crime like this in terms of the kidnapper/killer's comfort zones and so forth, so the approach isn't as ridiculous as it first seems. However, I was using the rumor as an illustration of the kind of alibi that makes me suspicious, not suggesting that his alibi is untrue or that the police haven't investigated it thoroughly.

 

[foxbluff]

I stumbled upon this website earlier, but didn't mention it due to the fact that our board was moving along "at a clip" at that time.

For what it's worth, I find/found it disconcerting to see "our little girls'" case appearing as a cold case:

http://iowacoldcases.org/news/

 

[Squeeze]

I'm directionally challenged, but squeeze said looking east, so please squeeze correct me if I am wrong, but the tree is west, the crosses are to the east and I am assuming you turn east to access the 270th street and the girls' bodies were found north-east? Need otto's fabulous map!

Catching up, and was hoping Otto posted a map... we were at the corner of Tuscon and 270th street, so the looking somewhat northeast to take the picture. The tree is on the west edge of the park, and my understanding is that the bodies were found to the right of the entrance, which is toward the end of the road.

To the right of the crosses is a Dead End sign. I had it in the pic, but edited it out, as I thought that would be insensitive!!

When the snow is gone, I will get more pictures. Heck, maybe even do a video. Unless Cinder or Chelsea beats me to it!!

 

[otto]

What evidence do we have to analyze?

We don't have any, but hopefully investigators do. I'm simply a bit confused why there is discussion about known criminals in the area. What evidence is there that these murders were committed by a criminal whose name is published on the internet?

 

[Marilynilpa]

I stumbled upon this website earlier, but didn't mention it due to the fact that our board was moving along "at a clip" at that time.

For what it's worth, I find/found it disconcerting to see "our little girls'" case appearing as a cold case:

http://iowacoldcases.org/news/

BBM

Ahh, heck, that does sting a little. I know we all pray this case doesn't become cold, but after six months it becomes more discouraging as the days go by with nothing new. When all of the forensic testing is finished, perhaps LE will have what they need to resolve this case and obtain justice for Lyric and Lizzie.

 

[otto]

There is a school of profiling that tries to analyze the geography of a crime like this in terms of the kidnapper/killer's comfort zones and so forth, so the approach isn't as ridiculous as it first seems. However, I was using the rumor as an illustration of the kind of alibi that makes me suspicious, not suggesting that his alibi is untrue or that the police haven't investigated it thoroughly.

Criminal profiling is 100% perfect in hindsight, but doesn't it fail miserably when used to attempt to identify the identity of the perp?

 

[chelsea6]

http://www.missingin.org/article_read.php?idLink=1038645
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In this article, note... :websleuther:
"bodies"..not bones.
"People" who are responsible
They have details on "cause" of death as well as "other" details.