IA IA - Elizabeth Collins, 8, & Lyric Cook, 10, Evansdale, 13 July 2012 - #28

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  • #901
well here is something....
dans' sister is on Cedar valley Mugshots
at the bottom of er mugshot it says anyone with information on her whereabouts please
contact LE

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...type=1&theater

this shows us who her family is
https://www.facebook.com/angie.reiter2?ref=ts&fref=ts


Angie Reiters' father stapped her........


http://wcfcourier.com/news/local/upd...9bb2963f4.html


also Angie's daughter or neice is in jail as well...
Nichole Reiter

Page # 10
http://www.bhcso.org/WhosInJail.aspx


I hope someone knows something and starts talking about this case.
the whole thing is just so sad what drugs can do to people....

I don't think that Angie Reiter is Dan's sister, in the literal sense. I know OF her. She is related to some of my family members. The link didn't work regarding her dad slapping her. Is her dads name Steve, by chance?

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  • #902
There are a couple parks all in the 8 minute bike range.

What prompted the choice to stay at this park?

If they were last seen going one direction, knowing the park since they are locals, why wouldn't somebody go to the other side knowing that the trail exits the park. It only makes sense IMO to stay at one place if the trail went in a loop.

If TB's random person told her that they were seen riding, if I were in that situation, I wouldn't be as concerned that they were taken but rather upset that they were out way past when they were supposed to and I would continue to be actively looking for them. Calling out their names. Telling someone to go look in the neighborhood where the trail comes into the park.

Before they found the bikes, there was no evidence that they were kidnapped.

It all seems so scripted, so perfect.

Casey Anthony was scripted when her daughter was murdered ... I do not see anything scripted about getting several family members involved in searching the town and nearby lake (not park) for the children and, shortly afterward alerting authorities to request help in finding them.
 
  • #903
Casey Anthony was scripted when her daughter was murdered ... I do not see anything scripted about getting several family members involved in searching the town and nearby lake (not park) for the children and, shortly afterward alerting authorities to request help in finding them.

The one park that they stopped their search is the one park where the bikes were eventually found. At the time they were there ~2 p.m. the bikes weren't officially found until ~4.

"Their bicycles were located by an Evansdale firefighter about four hours later on the southeast corner of Meyers Lake along the bike trail" http://wcfcourier.com/news/evansdale_search/update-volunteers-scan-evansdale-find-no-trace-of-two-missing/article_20c2e864-d215-11e1-a320-0019bb2963f4.html




That is what seems scripted to me.
 
  • #904
The one park that they stopped their search is the one park where the bikes were eventually found. At the time they were there ~2 p.m. the bikes weren't officially found until ~4.

"Their bicycles were located by an Evansdale firefighter about four hours later on the southeast corner of Meyers Lake along the bike trail" http://wcfcourier.com/news/evansdale_search/update-volunteers-scan-evansdale-find-no-trace-of-two-missing/article_20c2e864-d215-11e1-a320-0019bb2963f4.html


That is what seems scripted to me.

I haven't read an accounting of exactly where all the family members searched, but I do recall that when they got to the lake someone said that two girls were seen.

How did you come to the conclusion that no other parks were checked by any of the family members?
 
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  • #906
Can you please explain how a GPS tracking device loses track?

Sorry...I'm not sure what you mean.:waitasec: I don't believe I stated that a GPS tracking devise loses track...
 
  • #907
I haven't read an accounting of exactly where all the family members searched, but I do recall that when they got to the lake someone said that two girls were seen.

How did you come to the conclusion that no other parks were checked by any of the family members?

Wylma stated they checked all the parks in E'dale. She also stated they went to the one in Elk Run heights.
 
  • #908
I haven't read an accounting of exactly where all the family members searched, but I do recall that when they got to the lake someone said that two girls were seen.

How did you come to the conclusion that no other parks were checked by any of the family members?

I didn't say they didn't look at other parks. I said that this was the park that they stopped looking. At around 2ish. The bikes were not found (that we know of) until around 4.

What made this park more likely than others? Because one guy said he saw two girls on bikes? A mid-summer's day that is not an extraordinary amount of evidence IMO to stop. If the opportunity presented itself at other parks I'm sure the same answer could have been given there.

This is assuming that Liz and Lyric were not the only two girls in Evansdale who rode bikes.

Per Grandma
And so it was at 11:30, they asked me if they could go for a short bike ride, and I said yes. And they`ve done this millions of times. And they`ve never, never went that far. I could go outside and yell their names, and they would eventually hear me.

And this day, they just didn`t come back. And so K, Elizabeth`s brother, he`s 12 -- I hopped in my car because the dad came home, and I went searching Elk Run. We were down by Meyers Lake. We drove all over every little park and Evansdale, Elk Run, every mentionable place, downtown area. And we couldn`t find nobody.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1207/17/ng.01.html

Per TB
When my mother and I, the grandmother who was babysitting, when my mother and I went on our search for them, and this was at about a quarter to 3 -- and keep in mind the last they were seen was at 11:30 a.m., when they told mom they were going on the bike ride. So that is the last time they were for sure seen. And now, it`s going on to -- it`s getting close to being a quarter to 3.

We stop at Meyers Lake. I said, "Mom, drive me to Meyer Lake." I had Elizabeth`s older brother who`s 12, K (ph), with us. And I just jumped out and started asking random strangers, "Have you seen two little girls?" Gave them the description, the colors of the bikes, and possibly what they were wearing.

And one man stepped forward and said, "Yes, I seen them going east on the bike trail at about 2:30."
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1207/16/ijvm.01.html

BROUSSEAU: I did not find them. As I was saying, a man, who I approached and started asking questions, said he had seen the girls going east on the bike trail. It`s a small lake. It wraps around on the south side of the lake.

With my sister Heather, the mother of Elizabeth Collins, the 8-year- old, she called the police at 2 p.m. By 3 p.m., Evansdale police were there, and the deputies from Waterloo were all swarming the place. They went on -- they drove their vehicles right onto the bike trail. We watched them go to the site. They found the bicycles. They contacted us and said, "We have -- we have the bicycles. We have Elizabeth`s purse and no girls."
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1207/16/ijvm.01.html

So we are to believe that Grandma and K went searching all over town. Then somehow TB came into the picture at 2:45 where they then went to a park that Grandma and K had gone to during their initial search. Stayed there because 15 minutes earlier a random stranger saw two girls on bikes. Then 15 minutes later the park was swarmed and it took an hour for the police to drive around the trail?
 
  • #909
I didn't say they didn't look at other parks. I said that this was the park that they stopped looking. At around 2ish. The bikes were not found (that we know of) until around 4.

What made this park more likely than others? Because one guy said he saw two girls on bikes? A mid-summer's day that is not an extraordinary amount of evidence IMO to stop. If the opportunity presented itself at other parks I'm sure the same answer could have been given there.

This is assuming that Liz and Lyric were not the only two girls in Evansdale who rode bikes.

Per Grandma
And so it was at 11:30, they asked me if they could go for a short bike ride, and I said yes. And they`ve done this millions of times. And they`ve never, never went that far. I could go outside and yell their names, and they would eventually hear me.

And this day, they just didn`t come back. And so K, Elizabeth`s brother, he`s 12 -- I hopped in my car because the dad came home, and I went searching Elk Run. We were down by Meyers Lake. We drove all over every little park and Evansdale, Elk Run, every mentionable place, downtown area. And we couldn`t find nobody.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1207/17/ng.01.html

Per TB
When my mother and I, the grandmother who was babysitting, when my mother and I went on our search for them, and this was at about a quarter to 3 -- and keep in mind the last they were seen was at 11:30 a.m., when they told mom they were going on the bike ride. So that is the last time they were for sure seen. And now, it`s going on to -- it`s getting close to being a quarter to 3.

We stop at Meyers Lake. I said, "Mom, drive me to Meyer Lake." I had Elizabeth`s older brother who`s 12, K (ph), with us. And I just jumped out and started asking random strangers, "Have you seen two little girls?" Gave them the description, the colors of the bikes, and possibly what they were wearing.

And one man stepped forward and said, "Yes, I seen them going east on the bike trail at about 2:30."
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1207/16/ijvm.01.html

BROUSSEAU: I did not find them. As I was saying, a man, who I approached and started asking questions, said he had seen the girls going east on the bike trail. It`s a small lake. It wraps around on the south side of the lake.

With my sister Heather, the mother of Elizabeth Collins, the 8-year- old, she called the police at 2 p.m. By 3 p.m., Evansdale police were there, and the deputies from Waterloo were all swarming the place. They went on -- they drove their vehicles right onto the bike trail. We watched them go to the site. They found the bicycles. They contacted us and said, "We have -- we have the bicycles. We have Elizabeth`s purse and no girls."
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1207/16/ijvm.01.html

So we are to believe that Grandma and K went searching all over town. Then somehow TB came into the picture at 2:45 where they then went to a park that Grandma and K had gone to during their initial search. Stayed there because 15 minutes earlier a random stranger saw two girls on bikes. Then 15 minutes later the park was swarmed and it took an hour for the police to drive around the trail?

Apparently, when these two girls were missing, the family did the best they could to locate their children. When that failed, police were notified.

We now know that the the children were abducted sometimes between 1 and 2 PM (per police timeline) and that they were murdered 20 miles North of where their bikes were found.

I fail to understand how questioning the actions of a concerned family would help solve these abductions/murders.

Am I missing something?
 
  • #910
There are a couple parks all in the 8 minute bike range.

What prompted the choice to stay at this park?

If they were last seen going one direction, knowing the park since they are locals, why wouldn't somebody go to the other side knowing that the trail exits the park. It only makes sense IMO to stay at one place if the trail went in a loop.

If TB's random person told her that they were seen riding, if I were in that situation, I wouldn't be as concerned that they were taken but rather upset that they were out way past when they were supposed to and I would continue to be actively looking for them. Calling out their names. Telling someone to go look in the neighborhood where the trail comes into the park.

Before they found the bikes, there was no evidence that they were kidnapped.

It all seems so scripted, so perfect.

I don't see anything as being scripted. They were actively looking around Evansdale prior to going to Meyers Lake at about 2:45.

2:45 pm - Tammy, Wylma, Kelly go to look for the girls at Meyers Lake. Tammy begins asking people if they have seen the girls.

2:48 pm - Report is taken from Heather at the Evansdale P.D. that the girls are missing

2:50 - LE arrives at Meyers Lake

I don't believe the family members at the lake just decided to stop looking. LE arrived at the lake within minutes of the family's arrival. I'm sure that LE began asking the family questions at that time. LE would not have sent family members to the other side of the lake. They would want them to stay where they were so they could get information from them.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1207/16/ijvm.01.html

http://wcfcourier.com/news/evansdal...cle_e1decc44-3f79-55a1-85f6-f26635373bb5.html
 
  • #911
well here is something....
dans' sister is on Cedar valley Mugshots
at the bottom of er mugshot it says anyone with information on her whereabouts please
contact LE

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...type=1&theater

this shows us who her family is
https://www.facebook.com/angie.reiter2?ref=ts&fref=ts


Angie Reiters' father stabbed her........


http://wcfcourier.com/news/local/upd...9bb2963f4.html


also Angie's daughter or neice is in jail as well...
Nichole Reiter

Page # 10
http://www.bhcso.org/WhosInJail.aspx


I hope someone knows something and starts talking about this case.
the whole thing is just so sad what drugs can do to people....

sorry about the link.. try this one....
Angies father stabbed her....

http://wcfcourier.com/news/local/up...cle_e8c5eb50-f159-11e1-b12d-0019bb2963f4.html
 
  • #912
I get a sick feeling in the pit of my stomach when I read those transcripts. It reminds me of Satsuma, FL. A lot of hands stirring the pot, but no one will tell who made the soup.

::moo:: purely my own opinion. Fwiw
 
  • #913
Tammy is worried, hyped-up, frustrated, tired and on television. She seems to have difficulty with spacial concepts, anyway. North-south-east-west, foot-yard-acre, 1:45, 2:45, a quarter 'til three, fifteen minutes 'til four, etc. It seems like at one time or another she's goofed up on this type of thing. I always have to look at what she says in it's entirety as well as what other family members are saying and even what Tammy herself has said earlier the same day, or even a day earlier to understand.
 
  • #914
I don't see anything as being scripted. They were actively looking around Evansdale prior to going to Meyers Lake at about 2:45.

2:45 pm - Tammy, Wylma, Kelly go to look for the girls at Meyers Lake. Tammy begins asking people if they have seen the girls.

2:48 pm - Report is taken from Heather at the Evansdale P.D. that the girls are missing

2:50 - LE arrives at Meyers Lake

I don't believe the family members at the lake just decided to stop looking. LE arrived at the lake within minutes of the family's arrival. I'm sure that LE began asking the family questions at that time. LE would not have sent family members to the other side of the lake. They would want them to stay where they were so they could get information from them.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1207/16/ijvm.01.html

http://wcfcourier.com/news/evansdal...cle_e1decc44-3f79-55a1-85f6-f26635373bb5.html

Why did it take an hour to drive around a trail?

Why would the police choose this park out of all the others?

There had to have been something, more than one guy saying he saw bicyclists. Additionally, if they were taken between 1 and 2pm they couldn't have been seen by that guy at 2:30.

And I am not questioning the actions of the family. I am questioning this park. Something about the park or the immediate area must have been known for it to have been chosen to focus a search.
 
  • #915
Why did it take an hour to drive around a trail?

Why would the police choose this park out of all the others?

There had to have been something, more than one guy saying he saw bicyclists. Additionally, if they were taken between 1 and 2pm they couldn't have been seen by that guy at 2:30.

And I am not questioning the actions of the family. I am questioning this park. Something about the park or the immediate area must have been known for it to have been chosen to focus a search.

It wouldn't take an hour to drive around the trail. Why do you think they immediately drove around the trail at 3:00? I don't think that happened. I think some LEOs went to the Collins' home, some were driving around Evansdale looking, and some were at the lake talking to the family there. Tammy uses the word "swarm" but how many officers could Evansdale possibly have on duty at one time? Only three squad cars were involved according to Kent Smock. If some officers were at the Collins, some out driving, and some at the lake, how many could there be to "swarm" the lake? Tammy's wording is somewhat dramatic at times. Black Hawk SO sent help at 3:15 so Evansdale PD didn't have any help until after they arrived.

I don't think that LE chose this park/lake. I think family members were already there and someone at the park/lake said he saw "them" around 2:30 according to Tammy. If someone said that, I would think that would be one of the first places that LE would look for the girls.

About the 2:30 sighting. I have some thoughts about it. Again, it's Tammy who's retelling what happened. Here's what Tammy said according to this JVM transcript on July 16

And I just jumped out and started asking random strangers, "Have you seen two little girls?" Gave them the description, the colors of the bikes, and possibly what they were wearing.

And one man stepped forward and said, "Yes, I seen them going east on the bike trail at about 2:30."

We don't know exactly what this man said or how he said it. Maybe it was Tammy's interpretation that he saw the girls, but that may not be what the man meant. When he said, "Yes, I seen them going east on the bike trail at about 2:30," maybe he meant that yes, he saw the girls' bikes -- he saw them when he was going east on the bike trail at about 2:30.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1207/16/ijvm.01.html

http://thegazette.com/2012/12/10/timeline-search-for-girls-reported-missing-in-evansdale/
 
  • #916
I don't know that the handlers or LE ever had the dogs try to prove the bikes were ridden down the path to the lake (from what I've read). The dogs will track scent oldest to newest, so when they started the dogs AT the bikes, they were trying to see if the dogs could lead them from the bikes to where the girls went AFTER they left their bikes. The dogs apparently went to the water's edge, and from familial reports, they then went into the wooded area.

The point of the dogs (from my understanding) was not to see which way the bikes arrived at the lake (which WOULD have been a great thing to do, at least to verify sightings around the lake) but to see if there was a scent trail from the bikes to whatever way out of the park the girls were taken.

ETA: This is again an issue where I don't feel the scene was preserved and investigated with the utmost care. I myself would think the police would take those dogs down all the paths to see which way the bikes came in. OR, maybe they did and we just don't know it.
..I totally agree with everything you said. That really is weird that since they had the dogs right there, they wouldn't have tried to track back in whatever direction the girls came from. To find out where they came from, not just where they went to after arriving at the lake. Maybe they weren't thinking that someone else could have staged the bikes,that early in the investigation. I don't know, but that's pretty odd in itself.
 
  • #917
..I totally agree with everything you said. That really is weird that since they had the dogs right there, they wouldn't have tried to track back in whatever direction the girls came from. To find out where they came from, not just where they went to after arriving at the lake. Maybe they weren't thinking that someone else could have staged the bikes,that early in the investigation. I don't know, but that's pretty odd in itself.

It's too bad that they didn't use those dogs to track the girls from Elizabeth's house where they left for their bike ride and see which direction the dogs took? I never understood why that was never done that I know of.
 
  • #918
Why did it take an hour to drive around a trail?

Why would the police choose this park out of all the others?

There had to have been something, more than one guy saying he saw bicyclists. Additionally, if they were taken between 1 and 2pm they couldn't have been seen by that guy at 2:30.

And I am not questioning the actions of the family. I am questioning this park. Something about the park or the immediate area must have been known for it to have been chosen to focus a search.

I first wondered about the hour too. I can see them driving around the lake quickly at first looking for the girls, then driving around again ..... really paniced because they likely believe d the girls would be found. Stopping to call other family members or LE....smoking a cig.......an hour could innocently pass quickly.
:moo:
 
  • #919
Although I love re-hashing the timeline until we are blue in the face, we (at this point) clearly aren't privy to 100% of the sightings, actions, truths, and lies of all people involved on that fateful day of July 13th.

Accounts of the day's activities have been told, retold, and told yet again...all by different people with different accounts of what happened during the hours leading up to the discovery of the bikes.

I firmly believe that LE has made note of every person's account and has done their best to weed out the stories that make sense, can be proven, and also whose story has been tweaked each time it's told.

I think that if and when the perp is found, and brought through the court system, we will then hear a timeline that makes us all go "AH HA!" because there are bits and pieces that none of us know that will fill in all the blanks to the spaces and questions that are currently missing from the days events.
 
  • #920
Hi guys, I've always just lurked on this thread but since becoming a mum last month I hardly have time to jump on here and catch up :( so I hope you don't mind me (I know it's a pain in the butt) asking for a link or anything that may get me up to date with what's happening in the thread and the case. :please: TIA!
 
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