IA IA - Elizabeth Collins, 8, & Lyric Cook, 10, Evansdale, 13 July 2012 - #28

[otto]

This is another thing I find incredibly ironic...the local sex offenders are the only people LE has cleared, yet Drew, Heather, and Tammy have all stated they feel it was a sex offender who took the girls. :waitasec:

What makes them think it was a sex offender? The general theory that "this is what sex offenders do?"

The first word that came to mind was "doublespeak". It's like the drugheads are guilty and they staged the bikes and murders to appear like sex murder.

Clever drugheads! Why did the drugheads murder the children?

 

[otto]

http://www.timesreporter.com/newsnow/x1062478076/Lake-landfill-searched-for-missing-Iowa-cousins

The above article is from July 19, 2012. In it Rick Abben is quoted as saying "Everyone is suspect until we find something".

Not sure if this was before/after the RSO's were cleared?

That was around the same time that Abben said that Dan and Misty were not considered suspects. The earliest date I found for Abben's statement was July 20.

 

[otto]

The article I linked about the RSO's was dated July 17, so your article is after that.

Here is a comment from Kent Smock about the DCI Sex Offender Team:

Chief Smock told KWWL sex offender teams from the state Division of Criminal Investigation are helping interview people of interest, but he says no one has been detained and those interviewed are not any closer to being suspects than anyone else.

On the other hand, he says no one's been cleared of suspicion, either.

http://www.kwwl.com/story/20351247/...chief-squashes-rumors-of-arrest-in-girls-case

The sex offenders were all re-interviewed after the bodies were found ... most likely to see if anyone's story had changed.

 

[otto]

I remember the debates in the first threads about the likelihood of there being two sets of bikes left alone at approximately the same spot at two different times. The consensus was IIRC that the odds were against it. It would seem that LE would just say there were two sets of bikers and the bikes TG swerved around did not belong to the girls. IMO

People also denied knowing anything about two other bikes. Abeen said he didn't know anything about it after it had been reported in the news. The 12:20 sighting by the cyclist has never been included in police information.

 

[Considering]

If there was no sexual assault, why would the Iowa Division of Criminal Investigations send in sex offender teams to interview POIs?

 

[otto]

Unless it was someone LE did not know was a SO because they hadn't been caught yet or if they had offended out of state and didn't register when in IA.

I have to believe the family feels SO because of something they have been privy to that we haven't. Or maybe they are like us, back and forth, trying to fit the pieces together like us.

:idontknow:

They were more outspoken about sex offenders after the bodies were found, and that is also when they went on record in favor of the death penalty.

 

[Considering]

This is another thing I find incredibly ironic...the local sex offenders are the only people LE has cleared, yet Drew, Heather, and Tammy have all stated they feel it was a sex offender who took the girls. :waitasec:

What makes them think it was a sex offender? The general theory that "this is what sex offenders do?"

I believe Abben's statement was in reference to the RSOs in Evansdale only.

 

[otto]

Austin Sigg's first known criminal activites were mutilating a neighbor's cat and attacking a woman in her early 20s along a jogging path. Whomever murdered Elizabeth and Lyric could have a similar history, but it may not have been reported. This may have been the first attack of a person. Maybe this perp knew to attack a young girl first ... easier target. Sigg, at the age of 17, may not have figured that out yet so he failed with the jogger.

Maybe the person that did this is someone that both mom's know from growing up in the Evansdale/Waterloo area ... I wonder if there's anyone from their past as sisters growing up in the area that might be interested in their daugthers.

Maybe it's someone that is not registered as a sex offender ... someone that went under the radar during prior criminal acts.

One thing we know from Sigg's first attack, he meant business. He attacked her, put a cloth over her face and is charged with attempted sexual assault. She got away. Whomever attacked Lyric and Elizabeth meant business too. There is no reason to think that they went willingly anywhere ... they were probably caught off guard and put in a position, like Jessica Ridgeway, where they were unable to defend themselves.

 

[alliemay]

If there was no sexual assault, why would the Iowa Division of Criminal Investigations send in sex offender teams to interview POIs?

I had wondered that myself but did not post anything. I'll have to go back and check the RSO site again, but if IRC, there seemed like quite a few that were picked up because they failed to register their new address. I thought maybe when the said that the RSO's were cleared they were talking about only the local ones.

 

[threecrazykids]

If there was no sexual assault, why would the Iowa Division of Criminal Investigations send in sex offender teams to interview POIs?

I wasn't even aware that the SO were interviewed AFTER the bodies were found, as Otto stated. If that's the case...then I am of the opinion that there WAS a sexual assault. Why else would they need to interview SO's?

Otto, could you link to where you read that? I missed it.

 

[threecrazykids]

The sex offenders were all re-interviewed after the bodies were found ... most likely to see if anyone's story had changed.

Could you link to where you read this? I must have missed the article where LE said they were re-interviewing after the bodies were found. If they were re-interviewing after the bodies were found, then I'd deduce there was absolutely a sexual assault.

 

[otto]

I wasn't even aware that the SO were interviewed AFTER the bodies were found, as Otto stated. If that's the case...then I am of the opinion that there WAS a sexual assault. Why else would they need to interview SO's?

Otto, could you link to where you read that? I missed it.

"The timeline shows police were considering abduction as a possibility early on. Interviews with sex offenders started at 7 p.m. the day of disappearance and continued for days, and what became a nightly survey of trash Dumpsters began Saturday."

"We weren't leaving any stone unturned. We didn't take anything off the plate," Smock said.

Friday, July 13, 2012
7 p.m., Iowa State Patrol airplane with forward-looking infrared joins the search. Authorities begin interviewing local people listed on the state Sex Offender Registry.

http://wcfcourier.com/news/evansdal...cle_e1decc44-3f79-55a1-85f6-f26635373bb5.html

I'm still looking for the quote about RSO being investigated after the bodies were discovered ... but I read it here first.

 

[JaimeInLA]

The sex offenders were all re-interviewed after the bodies were found ... most likely to see if anyone's story had changed.

Are you referring to the 140 house blitz? I have never heard that they re-questioned any SOs after the bodies were found.

 

[Reverie]

The sex offenders were all re-interviewed after the bodies were found ... most likely to see if anyone's story had changed.

Thank you Otto! I must have missed that in the news. Do you have link to that? TIA. :seeya:

Eta: oops, looks like someone beat me to it.

 

[artzypantz]

Meth is unlike any other drug in that it literally changes the chemistry of your brain with just one use. "Natural" drugs like Cocaine, pot and heroin don't do that. They have their effect and then eventually leave the system. But synthetic/chemical drugs like bath salts and meth permanently alter the structure of your brain.

I have said this before on these threads. People who use meth DO NOT CARE about their kids -- they don't care about ANYTHING but getting their next hit of meth. They forget to feed and bathe their kids, they forget that they HAVE kids. They are quick to anger and have zero empathy -- they literally are no longer capable of it.

Im not going to go into all the details, just a few....My brother was hardcore needle shooting meth addict for 8 long horrifying years. The last year he used he was litterally a walking skeleton skin bag. A month before he quit, i told him we were going to go pick out his casket. At that time my brother had a young daughter. He would never see his daughter while using or while coming down. He would always call me or my sister and ask us to take his daughter during his visitation time and return her back home when the weekend was over. 2 times he was placed into rehab, and one time a mental ward to try and get him off the drug. The first time into rehab didnt work. The mental ward he told the doctor he would stop when he wanted to and they let him walk out. The third time was a charm. He was placed by family into rehab on his birthday and The Lord God gave him a new life. So very grateful to the Lord God and his grace that he still has all his teeth, intelligence, and sympathy/empathy. He is the same great friend, loving brother, great father he was before he started the drug. From what he has taught us about Meth and from what Being involved with his rehab support group has taught us, 96% of Meth users who go thru rehab return to using within two weeks of leaving treatment. He also said after the first high, its like a cat chasing a string, trying to get the initial high that will never ever come again, so u just keep chasing it, and using more and more. I praise God for the miracle he gave to my brother, a new life. He has been clean/sober for 10 years now.

Any way, I do agree the many of the hard core long term users loose many mental facilities that do not return even after sobriety. It is the most evil drug on the earth, and does destroy many a soul as well as the body. It does turn some into killers, theifs, rapists, etc. completely steals the souls of some it seems.

Completely heartbreaking that it has been allowed to destroy all that it has & steal many good loving people. Just no words to justly describe it!

I do feel for anyone who has ever lost the battle of temptation and tried it ....

Artzy

 

[Dr. Know?]

I remember SO's being looked at or reinterviewed after the girls were found via MSM. fwiw. I also remember in Oct. 2012, the recanvassing of the neighborhood homes around Meyers Lake. fwiw

 

[Marilynilpa]

The first word that came to mind was "doublespeak". It's like the drugheads are guilty and they staged the bikes and murders to appear like sex murder.

Clever drugheads! Why did the drugheads murder the children?

I wasn't aware the bikes and murders were staged to appear like "sex murder".

You know, LE and FBI have never stated that drugs were not involved in this case. Nor have they said it was a random abduction or a planned abduction. So at this point, IMO, one theory is as valid as the next.

By the way, I can see ways in which drugs are involved without the killer being a "drughead". JMO.

 

[Marilynilpa]

Could you link to where you read this? I must have missed the article where LE said they were re-interviewing after the bodies were found. If they were re-interviewing after the bodies were found, then I'd deduce there was absolutely a sexual assault.

I posted this several posts back:

Chief Smock told KWWL sex offender teams from the state Division of Criminal Investigation are helping interview people of interest, but he says no one has been detained and those interviewed are not any closer to being suspects than anyone else.

On the other hand, he says no one's been cleared of suspicion, either.

http://www.kwwl.com/story/20351247/...chief-squashes-rumors-of-arrest-in-girls-case

This is from December 14th.

But I'm not sure this is means the girls were definitely sexually assaulted - perhaps LE was just covering all their bases while waiting for forensic tests to be completed. JMO

 

[Reverie]

From my neck of the woods.
http://www.startribune.com/local/north/190238461.html

In cases like this even LE isn't above suspicion. Scary and sad.

 

[SpringThyme]

From my neck of the woods.
http://www.startribune.com/local/north/190238461.html

In cases like this even LE isn't above suspicion. Scary and sad.

Scary how he used social media to troll around, too.