IA IA - Elizabeth Collins, 8, & Lyric Cook, 10, Evansdale, 13 July 2012 - #28

[Dr. Know?]

I'm clueless. Are we talking about lithium, the "mood stabilizer drug" because it is my understanding he has some mental issues, or we talking about lithium batteries? I think Fox posted a link (?) with stuff you could make meth from and I should have saved it but I did not. It was quite "enlightening!"

My apologies as I don't know how to make meth. Yes, from this article it states lithium batteries not pills. I still don't see the conspiracy charge to manufacture on his court dockets.


In October, officers found Morrissey hiding in the porch of a vacant house and found additional drugs, including meth he said he was about to deliver, according to a criminal complaint. In December, police served a warrant at Morrissey's home in Waterloo and found meth-making materials such as lithium batteries and fuel. Morrissey and another man were charged with conspiracy to manufacture methamphetamines.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/27/lyric-cook-morrissey-elizabeth-collins_n_1710467.html

 

[tlcya]

No one is debating anyone's opinion about the weather on July 13.

The reason that I want to look at the facts regarding the humidity and temperature on July 13, 2012 in Evansdale is so that we don't have to rely on personal perceptions about the temperature ... we can look at the facts. 83 degrees with normal humidity does not strike me as so extreme that people would stay indoors because of the temperature, particularly in the context of normal temperatures for July in Evansdale and the temperatures for the rest of the month.

Indeed, some people may perceive 83 degrees and normal humidity as uncomfortable weather, but I don't think we should assume that the weather that day was so extreme that everyone was indoors. In fact, July 13, 2012 was one of the cooler, and probably more pleasant days, for being outside that month.

The bottom line is that any suggestions that no one was outside on July 13 because of the weather really aren't supported by the facts.

Otto, your post appeared to be in response to a poster relaying third party recollection about LE interviewing that third party, a resident of a home on the lake in regards to why the resident did not spend time outside that day. The resident relayed to the poster that it was very hot and outside was not a comfortable place for that resident or her children to be.

Maybe I misunderstood the intent of your post and if so I apologize. The resident's impression of the weather cannot be factual in the same way that the statistics are. Subjective feelings will never be comparable to statistics. Apples and oranges. Both relevant to the discussion, but very different.

Again. Just MOO

 

[Reverie]

No one is debating anyone's opinion about the weather on July 13.

The reason that I want to look at the facts regarding the humidity and temperature on July 13, 2012 in Evansdale is so that we don't have to rely on personal perceptions about the temperature ... we can look at the facts. 83 degrees with normal humidity does not strike me as so extreme that people would stay indoors because of the temperature, particularly in the context of normal temperatures for July in Evansdale and the temperatures for the rest of the month.

Indeed, some people may perceive 83 degrees and normal humidity as uncomfortable weather, but I don't think we should assume that the weather that day was so extreme that everyone was indoors. In fact, July 13, 2012 was one of the cooler, and probably more pleasant days, for being outside that month.

The bottom line is that any suggestions that no one was outside on July 13 because of the weather really aren't supported by the facts.

Who suggested that?

 

[ashleyd8402]

It sounds like the potential meth connection is so loose that it could also be said that the perp has a church connection.

Maybe...or maybe not...

If you want to look at it in loose terms, I think nearly everyone living in this neck of the woods has meth connections. I have a second cousin who is an addict. So I have meth connections. I've worked with addicts and their children. So I have even more meth connections. My husband is from here. He went to school with lots of people who did meth. Some of them he even considered friends at one time. So he has meth connections. We have a farm and we've found meth-making materials on our property in the past. There's even more meth connections for us. We've had anhydrous ammonia stolen from our farm in the past. There's another meth connection. I could probably keep going.

That said, I still think that roles that Misty & Dan played in the drug world could very well be at the root of this. If Lyric was targeted as some sort of message or retaliation, then the connection isn't quite so loose. I'm very skeptical of this possibility though. I think that the bodies would have been left somewhere else if that were the case. If someone was trying to deliver a message, wouldn't they try to convey it sooner? Why not dump them next to a road, where they would be discovered immediately? Heck, why not dump them right in the middle of the turn-around at 7 bridges? They would have been found within a day or two.

I think they were dumped where they were because the killer wanted them to be found or didn't care if they were found. I think he wanted to buy himself some decomp time though. I think he wanted some evidence to be destroyed. I think this was a crime of sexual nature. If I had to bet money on it, that's what I would bank on.

I really just wish we could get LE or confirm if they have an evidence of sexual assault or not. That would narrow so much down.

 

[otto]

Otto, your post appeared to be in response to a poster relaying third party recollection about LE interviewing that third party, a resident of a home on the lake in regards to why the resident did not spend time outside that day. The resident relayed to the poster that it was very hot and outside was not a comfortable place for that resident or her children to be.

Maybe I misunderstood the intent of your post and if so I apologize. The resident's impression of the weather cannot be factual in the same way that the statistics are. Subjective feelings will never be comparable to statistics. Apples and oranges. Both relevant to the discussion, but very different.

Again. Just MOO

There has been a lot of discussion about the temperature on July 13, with most comments indicating that it was extremely hot and extremely humid. This perception of the temperature has supported the theory that very few people were outside on July 13. I think that it's important to exclude personal perceptions and judge for ourselves. The temperature on July 13 isn't really a debateable point ... it's simply a fact ... one that seems important to this case in terms of whether people were outside, on the trails, going about normal business, or whether everyone was indoors and unaware of what was happening in the community.

When I read comments from locals that claim the weather was very hot on July 13, or that it was muggy, too hot to go outside and so on, I become curious about how hot and humid it really was. Now I understand that it was not hot, not muggy, but that some people decided to stay indoors ... presumably for the entire month of July ... because 83 degrees is perceived as very hot.

That fact that some people perceive 83 degrees as very hot should have no bearing on the case, and should not result in the belief that everyone in Evansdale stayed indoors because it was 83 degrees, a cooler day than the rest of the month.

 

[otto]

Who suggested that?

Suggested what ... that it was very hot, very humid, very muggy and too uncomfortable for anyone to be outside? I've read that often on this forum ... to the point where I thought it important to check the facts.

 

[tlcya]

meth connections, church connections, frequented businesses connections, they all can be pretty loose and any one of them could be THE connection. Seven degrees of separation apply to just about everything and everyone in a small town.

So frustrating this danged case.

 

[foxbluff]

It would appear, IMO, that we are not going to have to suffer a lack of updates on E'dale's plans for the island! Construction for the path will begin as early as this week.

http://wcfcourier.com/news/evansdal...cle_d1d2d0b8-7e0b-11e2-8015-0019bb2963f4.html

<snipped>
Saturday’s vote covered the construction of a pedestrian trail connecting the small island to the shore. It will consist of a causeway with two culverts to allow the lake water to circulate, said Park Board President Jeff Dawson.

The path will connect with the rest of the bike trial that almost circles the lake. It will start at the shore about where the existing retaining wall ends, not far from where the Sherman tank sits.

<snipped> Dawson said Evansdale police said they would be able to patrol the island.

Board member Sandy Roberts said she received calls asking if the memorial will be paid for with tax dollars. Dawson said the cost of the memorial and improvements will be funded with donations, and parts will be completed with in-kind labor. <snipped>

Dawson said the parks department will have additional maintenance costs, but he said the benefits the city is receiving far outweigh the additional expenses.

Dona Frickson, president of the Evansdale Chamber of Commerce, said it is possible the fund could help pay for maintenance.

Additional plans for the memorial, which include erecting a gazebo on the island, would require further board action.

Board members also briefly discussed a resident question about removing ribbons at the park, but the board appeared to be in consensus that the ribbons should be left alone.

“The purple stands for justice, and we’re all waiting for that to happen,” Frickson said.

 

[tlcya]

local posters are valuable in these threads for just the reason you are illustrating. They give us the local flavor of the area, the residents, their impressions are very appreciated by me, because facts and statistics can only get me so far when following a thread.

While I agree it is important we not lose sight of facts, impressions are important too IMO. I haven't seen anyone say no one was out and about. Just that several locals have commented on how very muggy and uncomfortable the weather felt to them or their friends in that area.

We know that TG states he was bike riding that day. He obviously did not find it too hot to be out and doing something physical. The lawn watering fellow was outside. The girls were riding their bikes, someone was fishing at the lake per aunt Tammy. So we know the entire town was not cloistered in the AC.

But the idea that some, maybe many, residents of Evansdale elected to avoid being outdoors does not equate to anyone suggesting that absolutely no one was out of doors that day.

 

[otto]

Maybe...or maybe not...

If you want to look at it in loose terms, I think nearly everyone living in this neck of the woods has meth connections. I have a second cousin who is an addict. So I have meth connections. I've worked with addicts and their children. So I have even more meth connections. My husband is from here. He went to school with lots of people who did meth. Some of them he even considered friends at one time. So he has meth connections. We have a farm and we've found meth-making materials on our property in the past. There's even more meth connections for us. We've had anhydrous ammonia stolen from our farm in the past. There's another meth connection. I could probably keep going.

That said, I still think that roles that Misty & Dan played in the drug world could very well be at the root of this. If Lyric was targeted as some sort of message or retaliation, then the connection isn't quite so loose. I'm very skeptical of this possibility though. I think that the bodies would have been left somewhere else if that were the case. If someone was trying to deliver a message, wouldn't they try to convey it sooner? Why not dump them next to a road, where they would be discovered immediately? Heck, why not dump them right in the middle of the turn-around at 7 bridges? They would have been found within a day or two.

I think they were dumped where they were because the killer wanted them to be found or didn't care if they were found. I think he wanted to buy himself some decomp time though. I think he wanted some evidence to be destroyed. I think this was a crime of sexual nature. If I had to bet money on it, that's what I would bank on.

I really just wish we could get LE or confirm if they have an evidence of sexual assault or not. That would narrow so much down.

I agree in that the two girls were most likely abducted by a sexual predator and left in the secluded spot where they were found to reduce the possibility that the murders would lead to an arrest ... that is, to delay discovery of the bodies. I doubt that there is any DNA on the bodies or the clothing because, if they were murdered on the afternoon of July 13 (most likely), they would have been completely skeletonized. Five months of exposure to weather would most likely have destroyed any chance of obtaining DNA from the bodies or the clothing ... it's a real long shot, but I doubt it.

 

[ashleyd8402]

I'm beating a dead horse here...

I have a very low tolerance for heat and humidity. I think it's disgusting. In a my perfect version of the world, the temperature would always be 68 degrees and partly cloudy. I have an aunt who thinks that is disgustingly cold. She thrives on 85 degrees and higher. She loves the humidity. She's a runner. She'll run no matter how hot and humid it is. On days when I can barely stand to go out and get my mail, she still runs a few miles.

In Iowa, we wear shorts & t-shirts as soon as it hits 60. I can remember times when there has still been snow on the ground, but the temp hit 60 plus on a warm spring day. People still dressed like it were summer. We're thick-skinned here.

Years ago I went to Florida with a friend over spring break. We stayed with her aunt who lived there. It was March. We went to the beach in our bathing suits. Her aunt was horrified that we were going to the beach and only wearing bathing suits. She said, "It's winter, it's way too cold for the beach!" It was 80+ degrees that day.

Perspective is everything.

 

[cindersoot]

July 16th 2012, was a very hot and humid day, humidity drenches every part of your body by the slightest movements. Most people use deodorant which stops the odor, and most use a deodorant and anti persparent which stop the under arm soaking. Your wondering where I'm going with this for sure. On July 16th a Monday, our witness on his bike contacted LE as they were investigating the lake, and on all the pictures I have seen of him talking to LE, on his bike, on this humid, hot sticky day. Not a drop of sweat on the man? You would think the front of his shirt would be drenched from that long bike ride.

 

[cindersoot]

 

[otto]

July 16th 2012, was a very hot and humid day, humidity drenches every part of your body by the slightest movements. Most people use deodorant which stops the odor, and most use a deodorant and anti persparent which stop the under arm soaking. Your wondering where I'm going with this for sure. On July 16th a Monday, our witness on his bike contacted LE as they were investigating the lake, and on all the pictures I have seen of him talking to LE, on his bike, on this humid, hot sticky day. Not a drop of sweat on the man? You would think the front of his shirt would be drenched from that long bike ride.

It's possible to cool off from the breeze of cycling on a hot day.

 

[cindersoot]

It's possible to cool off from the breeze of cycling on a hot day.

Maybe you can check and see what the breezes were like that day.

 

[otto]

Maybe you can check and see what the breezes were like that day.

The wind speed and direction is available through the links on the temperature and humidity images I posted ... but that has nothing to do with the breeze created from cycling.

 

[AmandaReckonwith]

July 16th 2012, was a very hot and humid day, humidity drenches every part of your body by the slightest movements. Most people use deodorant which stops the odor, and most use a deodorant and anti persparent which stop the under arm soaking. Your wondering where I'm going with this for sure. On July 16th a Monday, our witness on his bike contacted LE as they were investigating the lake, and on all the pictures I have seen of him talking to LE, on his bike, on this humid, hot sticky day. Not a drop of sweat on the man? You would think the front of his shirt would be drenched from that long bike ride.

Oh for Pete's sake, can we stop persecuting this man??!

Sweat? Seriously? You'd have to be one of the cops standing there to know if he was sweating.

Give the man a freakin break FGS.

 

[Darcyline]

I do have to say that I have heard it was so hot that no one was really outside too. Of course, now that I think about it that doesn't make sense because we have at least one jogger, cyclist, two kids, someone working in their yard, and someone fishing all of whom chose to do physical activities outside. But, in my head before Otto's post I really did imagine a day so hot almost no one was outside. I do realize that heat is subjective of course. When it hits 90 around here I will huddle inside and stare in amazement at people jogging by my window in the dead heat of the day lol. So, of course, impressions are great and I enjoy all of our insiders. I also think it is important to know that even insider info can be subjective too (and that is perfectly ok, of course).

 

[otto]

Oh for Pete's sake, can we stop persecuting this man??!

Sweat? Seriously? You'd have to be one of the cops standing there to know if he was sweating.

Give the man a freakin break FGS.

He is more or less irrelevant to the case. He did not see the children's bikes on the trail, since the children were on Brovan (per police timeline) when he was at the SE tip of Meyers Lake. What's curious is that he did not see the children at Elmer and Gilbert or Arbutus, since they should have all been at the same entrance to Meyers Lake parking lot at the same time.

 

[cindersoot]

Oh for Pete's sake, can we stop persecuting this man??!

Sweat? Seriously? You'd have to be one of the cops standing there to know if he was sweating.

Give the man a freakin break FGS.

Oh so sorry. Lets go back to talking about Dan, and meth. :furious: