IA IA - Elizabeth Collins, 8, & Lyric Cook, 10, Evansdale, 13 July 2012 - #28

[Unique444]

My husband does the same thing. :floorlaugh: He's always saying I need to change my career into some sort of FBI detective work because I could sit and watch anything that has to do with LE all day long. Gimme a marathon of Locked Up Raw, The First 48, or Law and Order: SVU and I'm one happy camper.
:great:

lol I like Snapped.

 

[otto]

The most interesting part of the cyclist's story, in my opinion, is that he was at Elmer and Gilbert at the very same time as the children, heading East on Gilbert, just like the children.

Interesting, when you think about it. The cyclist seems quite earnest to convince the public that he in fact saw the children's bikes at the SE tip of Meyers Lake before he got to the parking lot. When people put two and two together about the 12:30 timeline, then we learned that he was also on the Evansdale Nature Trail between Gilbert and Lafayette - exactly where it was speculated that the children rode their bikes ... and at the same time again. That's the part of all the information that we have that doesn't sit well with me.

 

[carbuff]

Hi everybody!

*goes back to lurking*

 

[Sere-nity]

The most interesting part of the cyclist's story, in my opinion, is that he was at Elmer and Gilbert at the very same time as the children, heading East on Gilbert, just like the children.

Interesting, when you think about it. The cyclist seems quite earnest to convince the public that he in fact saw the children's bikes at the SE tip of Meyers Lake before he got to the parking lot. When people put two and two together about the 12:30 timeline, then we learned that he was also on the Evansdale Nature Trail between Gilbert and Lafayette - exactly where it was speculated that the children rode their bikes ... and at the same time again. That's the part of all the information that we have that doesn't sit well with me.

The authorities were asking for anyone who might have been in the area at that time. I wonder if the cyclist called back into the tip line to say that he was in that area at that time.

 

[cindersoot]

The most interesting part of the cyclist's story, in my opinion, is that he was at Elmer and Gilbert at the very same time as the children, heading East on Gilbert, just like the children.

Interesting, when you think about it. The cyclist seems quite earnest to convince the public that he in fact saw the children's bikes at the SE tip of Meyers Lake before he got to the parking lot. When people put two and two together about the 12:30 timeline, then we learned that he was also on the Evansdale Nature Trail between Gilbert and Lafayette - exactly where it was speculated that the children rode their bikes ... and at the same time again. That's the part of all the information that we have that doesn't sit well with me.

:yourock:

 

[jenandemmie]

<snipped>
Police information regarding the timeline of the children that day has not been skewed, altered, or misrepresented for any reason. It is an active investigation. For police to lie about the children's timelines on the day that they were abducted would be completely (for lack of a better word, and in my opinion) foolish.

<snipped by me, BBM>

Agreed! Allowing the public to believe a false timeline while asking for additional info from the public would be counterproductive. People with conflicting info might rethink what they think they saw and dismiss their own account. I can see withholding COD and additional info that confirms timeline but public statements that conflict with the timeline could in fact be used against the prosecution by the defense at trial, especially if the public statements confirm an alibi rather than conflict with it. The DA wouldn't allow them to be that careless. Police can lie about anything they want to get a confession, but they wouldn't release a false timeline because that is the crux of a prosecution's case. JMO

 

[threecrazykids]

BBM

I disagree with the bolded statement. A lot more than looking for "hiding" or "drowned" children happened right away, with the investigative team expanding by the hour.

Day 1: What Response Teams Were Active

1. search the home and the area using three squad cars,
2. sheriff’s office sends four cars to help,
3. Fire department requested to help,
4. Girls' names are entered into the National Crime Information Center,
5. Fire department begins dragging Meyers Lake,
6. County Emergency Management Agency notified,
7. Canvas of lake neighborhood beings,
8. obtain photos of the girls,
9. Divers with Cedar Valley Underwater Search and Rescue called,
10. search of wooded areas,
11. Iowa State Patrol airplane with forward-looking infrared joins the search,
12. interviewing local people listed on the state Sex Offender Registry,
13. Iowa Division of Criminal Investigation and National Center for Missing and Exploited Children notified.
14. FBI brought in. STAR-1 contacted,
15. emailing and faxing descriptions of the girls to truck stops, stores and public places within a 100 mile radius of Evansdale.

Day 2: What Response Teams Were Added

1. DCI and FBI arrive and begin interviews.
2. Civilian searches of the area resume until 7:30 p.m.
3. NCMEC sends out an advisory and prepares posters.
4. Law enforcement continues canvassing the neighborhood
5. Parents' cell phones and computers taken for examination.
6. FBI’s Child Abduction Response Team is deployed
7. STAR-1 sends cadaver dogs to the lake.
8. Law enforcement begins locating and interviewing registered sex offenders.
9. Divers called back to search new areas of Meyers Lake.
10. State Patrol plane with LFIR returns.
11. Law enforcement begins searching area Dumpsters
12. Garbage hauling companies notified of dump locations in the landfill

Day 3: What Response Teams Were Added

1. FBI brings in data management team
2. Interviews and polygraphs conducted.
3. DCI, FBI and local police continue neighborhood canvas.
4. Law enforcement continue with sex offender interviews.

link

As far as the bolded goes, those certainly don't sound to me like activities that would take place if LE honestly felt these 2 girls were alive...ESPECIALLY the bringing in of CADAVER dogs. Not search and rescue dogs, but CADAVER dogs.

I am going to assume that this list is protocol for when a child goes missing and they had to cover all their bases. However, I wonder, why waste time with the bolded above if they honestly feel these girls were alive, and their appearances possibly changed?:waitasec:

One would think if they really thought they were alive they wouldn't be wasting time, effort, and manpower performing activities that directly contradicted their "strong belief" of these girls being alive.

In the end...none of these efforts mattered...they were already gone, and quite possibly already dead.:sick:

 

[threecrazykids]

lol I like Snapped.

There is a new series, I can't remember the name, coming out soon. Something Wives...I thought that looked really interesting too!:rocker:

 

[threecrazykids]

The authorities were asking for anyone who might have been in the area at that time. I wonder if the cyclist called back into the tip line to say that he was in that area at that time.

I don't remember the cyclist mentioning he had given his full biking route to LE or not. I'm going to have to go back and read his postings of what information was given to LE.
I believe LE knows exactly where everyone was, and when. What they tell the witness, media, family members, guy in the grocery store line, etc. as far as truth or relevance is ALL going to come into play if this ever goes to trial. We will know then whether his account was pertinent in this case.

 

[Considering]

IIRC, until the cctv was discovered LE were not sure at all what had happened, nor when, as grandma originally said she last saw them at 11.30 which meant they could have gotten a lot further.

The cctv confirmation caused wylma to change her last seen time to 12.15.

I suggest it was precisely this information, tied in with Mr C's and Mr G's sightings, that alarmed LE in the first place. They realised then that the girls had vanished very shortly after they were last seen.

They were still draining the lake at the time, and checking the local area and RSO's.

Lyric had also recently been a runaway so they probably were also looking at places she may have run to.

Mr P didn't find the tape until the following week and the girls went missing on the Friday. That is an entire weekend of speculation, and also the time frame that both Mr C and Mr G both spoke to media.

Hindsight's 20/20. Everyone was hoping they would be found alive, including LE.

Yes let's go with facts.

It actually took a full week.

July 22, 2012
Law enforcement officials who have spent the past nine days searching for a pair of missing cousins in Iowa say some family members are not being completely cooperative and are now under close scrutiny.
"Law enforcement has not received total cooperation from all family and close friends. We feel there's someone out there that has pertinent information about the girls' whereabouts," FBI spokeswoman Sandy Breault said.
Elizabeth Collins and Lyric Cook, who are cousins, were last seen on July 13, riding their bikes near a lake in Evansdale, Iowa. Authorities reclassified the case as an abuduction Friday, and the FBI said they believe the girls are still alive. A $50,000 reward is now being offered for information that would lead to their being found.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/fbi-family-missing-iowa-girls-cooperating/story?id=16831729

In the beginning of the search, it was clear LE was looking for either drowned or hiding live children.

They even told us they thought the girls were still alive, and asked the public to consider they may have changed their appearances.

Fact #1:

Wylma stated from the beginning that she last saw Lyric and Elizabeth at about 12:15 pm on Friday, July 13, 2012. It is false information that the cctv "caused wylma to change her last seen time to 12.15."

Confirmation: Des Moines Register, July 14, 2012
Statement by Rick Abben, Chief Ceputy Sheriff for Black Hawk County

http://blogs.desmoinesregister.com/...ch-for-2-missing-eastern-iowa-girls-continues


Fact #2:

Lyric had not "recently been a runaway" as was posted above. According to Wylma, Lyric packed her backpack to run away after her father got upset with her for not finishing her chores.

She did not run away. She acted like she was going to run away. She got her backpack and went to the door because she was in trouble for not doing her chores.

Confirmation: Des Moines Register, July 18, 2012
Statement by Wylma Cook, story written by Emily Schettler

“She headed for the door, and I grabbed her,” Cook said. “She dropped the backpack and I hugged and kissed her and I said it’ll be OK.”

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/ar...031/Search-missing-girls-causes-tensions-rise


Fact #3:

It did not take a full week for LE to consider this case as a possible abduction. The case was always treated as such. It was officially declared an abduction later, but it was considered suspicious from the beginning.

Confirmation: RadioIowa, July 14, 2012
Statement by Kent Smock, Evansdale Police Chief per Reporter Elwin Huffman, KOEL, Oelwein

"Evansdale police chief Kent Smock says his department is treating the case as 'a suspicious disappearance' — meaning abduction is a possibility."

http://www.radioiowa.com/2012/07/14/two-evansdale-girls-missing-since-early-friday-afternoon/

 

[superbee]

Fact #1:

Wylma stated from the beginning that she last saw Lyric and Elizabeth at about 12:15 pm on Friday, July 13, 2012. It is false information that the cctv "caused wylma to change her last seen time to 12.15."

Confirmation: Des Moines Register, July 14, 2012
Statement by Rick Abben, Chief Ceputy Sheriff for Black Hawk County

http://blogs.desmoinesregister.com/...ch-for-2-missing-eastern-iowa-girls-continues


Fact #2:

Lyric had not "recently been a runaway" as was posted above. According to Wylma, Lyric packed her backpack to run away after her father got upset with her for not finishing her chores.

She did not run away. She acted like she was going to run away. She got her backpack and went to the door because she was in trouble for not doing her chores.

Confirmation: Des Moines Register, July 18, 2012
Statement by Wylma Cook, story written by Emily Schettler

“She headed for the door, and I grabbed her,” Cook said. “She dropped the backpack and I hugged and kissed her and I said it’ll be OK.”

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/ar...031/Search-missing-girls-causes-tensions-rise


Fact #3:

It did not take a full week for LE to consider this case as a possible abduction. The case was always treated as such. It was officially declared an abduction later, but it was considered suspicious from the beginning.

Confirmation: RadioIowa, July 14, 2012
Statement by Kent Smock, Evansdale Police Chief per Reporter Elwin Huffman, KOEL, Oelwein

"Evansdale police chief Kent Smock says his department is treating the case as 'a suspicious disappearance' — meaning abduction is a possibility."

http://www.radioiowa.com/2012/07/14/two-evansdale-girls-missing-since-early-friday-afternoon/

Thank you for mentioning Lyric's backpack. Am I the only one who got in a snit while a kid, stomped out to go and lie in the haymow, sit and tell the friendly cows how unfair life is? But, at least I, never had a backpack packed to take with me, and it was thirst that brought me back into the house, after a little cool off period. Lyric was taking her backpack, that sounds like more than going to sit in the yard to cool off. Where was Lyric planning to go? Had someone been grooming her, offering her a place to stay?

 

[SapphireSteel]

Fact #1:

Wylma stated from the beginning that she last saw Lyric and Elizabeth at about 12:15 pm on Friday, July 13, 2012. It is false information that the cctv "caused wylma to change her last seen time to 12.15."

Confirmation: Des Moines Register, July 14, 2012
Statement by Rick Abben, Chief Ceputy Sheriff for Black Hawk County

http://blogs.desmoinesregister.com/...ch-for-2-missing-eastern-iowa-girls-continues
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From Tammy, who was there -

When my mother and I, the grandmother who was babysitting, when my mother and I went on our search for them, and this was at about a quarter to 3 -- and keep in mind the last they were seen was at 11:30 a.m., when they told mom they were going on the bike ride. So that is the last time they were for sure seen. And now, it`s going on to -- it`s getting close to being a quarter to 3.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1207/16/ijvm.01.html[quote/]

Fact #2:

Lyric had not "recently been a runaway" as was posted above. According to Wylma, Lyric packed her backpack to run away after her father got upset with her for not finishing her chores.

She did not run away. She acted like she was going to run away. She got her backpack and went to the door because she was in trouble for not doing her chores.

Confirmation: Des Moines Register, July 18, 2012
Statement by Wylma Cook, story written by Emily Schettler

“She headed for the door, and I grabbed her,” Cook said. “She dropped the backpack and I hugged and kissed her and I said it’ll be OK.”

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/ar...031/Search-missing-girls-causes-tensions-rise

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Yes, you're right, she did not actually run away. But she packed her bags and headed out the door, also LE were called out when she and her other cousin briefly disappeared a few days earlier.

My point is, LE considered her to have a history of attempts to push boundaries.

Fact #3:

It did not take a full week for LE to consider this case as a possible abduction. The case was always treated as such. It was officially declared an abduction later, but it was considered suspicious from the beginning.

Confirmation: RadioIowa, July 14, 2012
Statement by Kent Smock, Evansdale Police Chief per Reporter Elwin Huffman, KOEL, Oelwein

"Evansdale police chief Kent Smock says his department is treating the case as 'a suspicious disappearance' — meaning abduction is a possibility."

http://www.radioiowa.com/2012/07/14/two-evansdale-girls-missing-since-early-friday-afternoon/

LE officially declared the disappearance as an abduction via press conference on 30 July. This change of wording changed the entire focus of the investigation.

Dated 27 July -

FBI agents classified the girls’ disappearance as an abduction last week. This step changes the investigation from a search-and-locate to a criminal probe, said William Moulder, retired Des Moines police chief.

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/ar...onfirms-missing-Iowa-girls-timeline?Frontpage

I was merely attempting to defend those who innocently spoke on camera, before this was declared officially a crime. They didn't know that it was a crime at that stage, no one in town did except perhaps LE.

 

[daisynae]

Let me try this again...No thoughts at all about the timeline, because until more is released, either in a trial or by LE, I am not forming an opinion about the timeline....therefore I am not in the belief that police have misled anyone about it!

You have the timeline down so why worry about what others think about it, unless you are doubting your theory, which I am not.

In order to make all the timelines, statements, accounts, etc of everyone that has spoken publicly fit, someone has to be lying! Take your pick who it could be, from family, witnesses, friends, acquaintences, drug associates, attorneys, police, FBI, RSO's, facebook friends. I am not accusing any particular person about lying. At this point, until an arrest is made and more is known about the motive and evidence, no one can be sure who is lying and who is telling the truth!

Amen Girl!!! Amen!!!!

CAN I HEAR THE CHIOR SING!!!!

 

[roseofsharon]

IMO, it all started behind the stores on Lafayette, which backed on to Brovan Blvd.

There, the perp was able to watch all the comings and goings of WC and L at the Collins' home.

As well, the perp was able to observe the activities around the Collins' household on Brovan Blvd., HC, DC and when they were home and regular routine(s) with their children.

Perp was able to watch L and E take their bike rides, maybe followed them on a few occasions to see where they rode.

Watching, fantasizing, planning and then made the move.

MOO

 

[Squeeze]

As far as the bolded goes, those certainly don't sound to me like activities that would take place if LE honestly felt these 2 girls were alive...ESPECIALLY the bringing in of CADAVER dogs. Not search and rescue dogs, but CADAVER dogs.

I am going to assume that this list is protocol for when a child goes missing and they had to cover all their bases. However, I wonder, why waste time with the bolded above if they honestly feel these girls were alive, and their appearances possibly changed?:waitasec:

One would think if they really thought they were alive they wouldn't be wasting time, effort, and manpower performing activities that directly contradicted their "strong belief" of these girls being alive.

In the end...none of these efforts mattered...they were already gone, and quite possibly already dead.:sick:

I don't think anyhing they did was a waste of time. They had plenty of LE to do multiple things, both in the public eye and behind the scenes. We've talked about this before (surprise surprise) in regards to draining the lake, etc. That would have been done to cover their bases, as well as create a public focus and diversion while they investigated elsewhere.

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[alliemay]

IMO, it all started behind the stores on Lafayette, which backed on to Brovan Blvd.

There, the perp was able to watch all the comings and goings of WC and L at the Collins' home.

As well, the perp was able to observe the activities around the Collins' household on Brovan Blvd., HC, DC and when they were home and regular routine(s) with their children.

Perp was able to watch L and E take their bike rides, maybe followed them on a few occasions to see where they rode.

Watching, fantasizing, planning and then made the move.

MOO

I agree, not sure where or when it started but in my opinion I do feel like they were being watched, and not just on that particular day. Either since school had let out for the summer, or, at least from when Lyric's mother started her new job.

 

[Bootsctr]

So ... do you believe that the police have deliberately misled the public about the timeline of the children prior to the time that they were abducted?

No, I do not believe the police have deliberately misled the public about the timeline of the children. What would be the point? LE is trying to get to the truth. I don't think they would lie about the timeline. It's pretty much all they/we have to go on the girls' case. :sigh:

 

[Bootsctr]

I got to thinking that the killer is probably not feeling too much empathy, especially for Lyric. He might think he helped her not have to live a life around drugs. Because of her father.

I think you're onto something! In fact, I feel the killer probably felt the same lack of empathy for both girls. If he knew the sordid backgrounds of either family, he feels like he did the girls a favor. He's playing God in his sick, tortured and twisted mind.

 

[Reverie]

JP contacted LE on July 16 (3 days later, Monday) about the cctv video. Not sure when JP talked to the media, but imo, the girls' disappearance was suspicious long before JP called LE about the video. This is the only point I was trying to make.:seeya:

IMO

Yes. I think many were suspicious from the get-go, LE and the general public.

With that said, LE was and is still very cryptic about the case. Like, IMO, it is unlikely that citizens who DID share their sitings were any more privy to the status of the case than say, the rest of us hooligans~:blushing: IMO the first day or so seemed more like a search and rescue; as though the girls were maybe injured somewhere, trapped in a well, or simply lost.:moo::moo::moo:


No matter what LE said, there was a lot going on behind the scenes. They said the girls were alive, but brought in cadaver dogs. They didn't publicly admit it was an abduction until the girls were missing for about a week. Many WS'rs were frustratingly saying, Arg...I knew it!

I know why LE has to do things that way. Unfortunately, these situations can cause some to not trust LE's statements...or even timelines anymore.

This case has been so confounded that I have second guessed my own theory multiple times.

 

[Bootsctr]

The judge must believe that he will live to be a very, very old man.


ETA: ... so that's just the possible ... thank goodness. I think it's nuts to put someone in jail for the rest of his/her life because of a serious drug problem.

I'm intrigued! Surely LE has known that DM has had a serious drug problem for years. Why the possibility of 235 years NOW?

The father of a murdered Evansdale girl pleaded guilty Friday afternoon to multiple drug charges dating back to 2011.

Dan Morrissey's trial on the charges was to begin in Davenport later this year after a change of venue request was granted. But on Friday, Morrissey pleaded guilty to seven separate counts.

He could face up to 235 years behind bars, but the judge ordered sentencing at a later date. http://www.kwwl.com/story/21438432/...s-guilty-to-drug-charges#.UTEx0V5xAKg.twitter

Alternatively:

The 17-year-old mortuary-science student learned in court Thursday morning that the 1st Judicial District Attorney's Office intends to try him as an adult, a decision that could leave him in prison for up to 40 years — rather than seven — if he is convicted.

Because of his youth, seeking the death penalty is not an option, District Attorney Scott Storey said. U.S. Supreme Court rulings in other cases also prohibit juveniles from being sentenced to life in prison without possibility of parole.

Read more: DA: DNA of Austin Sigg, suspect in Jessica Ridgeway murder, ties him to case - The Denver Post http://www.denverpost.com/breakingn...gg-suspect-jessica-ridgeway-dna#ixzz2MP41xkja
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We aren't comparing apples to apples in these cases. Extenuating circumstances I agree, but 235 years, :waitasec:

Example of a killer being released too soon - Edwin "Ned" Snelgrove

In 1988, Snelgrove was to stand trial for the attack on Mary Ellen Renard. Instead of going to trial Snelgrove pled guilty to assaulting Mary Ellen Renard and to murdering Karen Osmun. He was convicted of aggravated manslaughter, aggravated criminal sexual contact, and criminal attempted homicide.[5] On June 24, 1988, he was sentenced to 20 years in prison. During his incarceration, he wrote many letters to a former classmate George Recck. He had compared himself to serial killer Ted Bundy and mused how he should emulate Bundy's practice of choosing victims far from his home.[2] After serving 10 years and 11 months, Snelgrove was released from prison on May 26, 1999 for good behavior.[5] Prosecutors repeatedly claimed to have objected to Snelgrove's early release from prison, yet the New Jersey Department of Corrections reviewed Snelgrove's records and determined he was eligible for early release based on time served and good behavior.[2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edwin_Snelgrove

Too many perps like this getting away with a slap on the hand. Watch Dark Minds on ID. . . I guarantee it will make the hair on your head stand up! The episode about Snelgrove just aired.