IA IA - Elizabeth Collins, 8, & Lyric Cook, 10, Evansdale, 13 July 2012 - #29

[Arod]

I was just looking at case photos from July 2012 and came across this one. Thinking back to when I checked the temps for July, it was normal for the temperature to range between 80 and nearly 100 degrees. Ted reported that he cycled daily on the Evansdale Nature Trail ... and cycling in the warm weather, he should have been tanned. He looks exceptionally pale for someone that regularly cycled in the warm weather.

I ride the trails all the time in the Waterloo/Cedar Falls area.A bicyclist is usually not exposed to a lot of direct sunlight on these trails.His skin looks no different then mine did last summer.

 

[otto]

I ride the trails all the time in the Waterloo/Cedar Falls area.A bicyclist is usually not exposed to a lot of direct sunlight on these trails.His skin looks no different then mine did last summer.

The trail from Gilberville Station to Meyers Lake and back appears to be a nice wide trail with intermittent tree cover ... I would expect him to at least have some color in his face. In the photo, he looks like he hasn't seen sunlight in months.

 

[carbuff]

He probably uses a high-factor sunscreen.

 

[Considering]

There's no need for direct sunlight. One can tan or burn in the shade. The cyclist posted here that he wasn't only on the Cedar Vallley Nature Trail between the Gilbertville Station and Evansdale and on the the Evansdale Nature Trail. He also reported that he rode on Lafayette Rd. from the Evansdale Nature Trail all the way to McCoy Rd., then down McCoy Rd. to Gilbert Dr. He then stayed on Gilbert Dr. until he reached the Cedar Valley Trail. The roads don't look like they would have shade, especially in the middle of the day.

I suppose he could have used sunscreen, but in his most current FB photo, he looks rather tan.

 

[carbuff]

And we are being snide about this guy's complexion why?

 

[Considering]

And we are being snide about this guy's complexion why?

I hope not! I'm so fair that I look like someone spilled bleach on me!

 

[carbuff]

I hope not! I'm so fair that I look like someone spilled bleach on me!

Yeah, my middlest son is like that. He has two colors: white and bright red. Oh, and mottled, when the sunburn peels.

But I'm not sure why the cyclist's tan, or lack of it, is relevant to anything...

 

[Tennlyn]

Back off the witness NOW. He is not a suspect or POI unless someone can link us to MSM/LE statements saying otherwise.

Salem

:runaway:

I still want to know what his tshirt says though. :blushing:

 

[superbee]

:runaway:

I still want to know what his tshirt says though. :blushing:

I can't read the blue letters, but the picture looks like a deer head with antlers to me.

 

[superbee]

A child tied to a tree? Is that the story the arrested person told, or did police conclude that a child tied to a tree was drug related? I don't think I've ever heard of an adult being tied to a tree because of witnessing drugs being dropped from the sky. Any sign of sexual assault?

It was an episode of Unsolved Mysteries that I saw 15 or so years ago. It was about a young lad, around 13 or so, that went out walking one day in the woods close to his home with his dog, and never came home. A search party found the lad dead, tied to a tree.

Why do some child killers leave them tied to trees?

The episode was trying to bring in tips and leads as to why this boy would have been killed, and why was his body left tied to a tree? Local speculation was those woods were used by dope smugglers to meet drugs dropped by planes, and the dead boy may have innocently witnessed a dope drop, or perhaps he saw drugs being divided up, and even recognized a face?

Whatever the reason, whomever it was, somebody killed the boy, and left his body tied to a tree. Maybe to scare everyone else and discourage anyone from walking in those woods? I can't remember which State, but I think it was east of the Mississippi.

At that time, my sons were around the same age as this murdered boy, and we lived near thousands of acres of forest that our sons roamed around in all the time. It upset(s) me that a lad goes for a walk in the forest with his dog, and is killed and tied to a tree by some (s). Same as it upsets me what happened to Lizzie and Lyric as they were busy being kids last summer. I will search around and see if I can possibly find that episode somewhere online.

 

[joerose]

I was just looking at case photos from July 2012 and came across this one. Thinking back to when I checked the temps for July, it was normal for the temperature to range between 80 and nearly 100 degrees. Ted reported that he cycled daily on the Evansdale Nature Trail ... and cycling in the warm weather, he should have been tanned. He looks exceptionally pale for someone that regularly cycled in the warm weather.

Good observation Otto. He looks pretty dry for riding in that hot weather too. Thanks for the photo. I have never seen this one.

 

[SapphireSteel]

I'd appreciate a link confirming this info, please. I've seen nothing to indicate that it is a known fact that there are people with information who are keeping it to themselves.
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"Law enforcement has not received total cooperation from all family and close friends. We feel there's someone out there that has pertinent information about the girls' whereabouts," FBI spokeswoman Sandy Breault said.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/fbi-family-missing-iowa-girls-cooperating/story?id=16831729


Dated Missing Iowa girls' abductor likely on video, investigator says
4:13 PM, Sep 6, 2012
Officials open e-mail account to solicit tips about missing Evansdale girls
Authorities leading the search for two missing Iowa cousins believe those involved in the abduction used a vehicle that likely was recorded on surveillance camera...However, officials say they need more information from the public about what to look for in the hours of surveillance footage they have collected.
“It is almost certain that the person or persons involved in this abduction used a vehicle to arrive and depart from the area, and it is believed that surveillance video is likely to have recorded that vehicle,” Charis Paulson, assistant director of the Iowa Division of Criminal Investigation wrote in an email to law enforcement officials and state employees.
“Regardless of whether the person(s) responsible for taking Elizabeth and Lyric reside, work, or have acquaintances in the area, or possibly came to the area to commit a crime, it is virtually impossible for any person to live, travel, or exist in a vacuum,” Paulson wrote. “Someone knows something that might be valuable to law enforcement.”[/COLOR][/I]http://www.desmoinesreg...sey=tab|topnews|text|Frontpage&nclick_check=1

Abben said because of a lack of evidence, they can't even come up with a profile of the killer.
“For no one to not see anything, it's very frustrating,” said Abben
http://www.kcci.com/news/central-io...17814122/-/12p6p9g/-/index.html#ixzz2MtTqMWTd

SS, if you want to split hairs over my choice of words, feel free. Please substitute the word "trust" for "faith", if that makes you feel better somehow..

Thanks for the semantics lesson, but why should it? Blind faith is the opiate of the masses, not of people with a brain and the ability to use it.

You aren't local. Locals seem to be trusting LE to handle this investigation - they had ample opportunity to discuss their fears, concerns, anger, etc. at a town hall meeting, and yet very few people turned up. There have been no demonstrations in front of LE headquarters demanding answers. The local media has not published any articles demanding that LE change the way they are handling things. JMO.

You could say "trusting", I could say "apathetic" and "disinterested". It's called a "different opinion" and it's just fine to have them.

Who are we, as outsiders, to tell anyone in Evansdale how they should be responding to this horrible event that occurred in their city?.

I don't recall telling anyone any such thing.

I do recall wondering about the Evansdale locals and their reasons for virtually ignoring this crime.

You call it "trust", well if there was a high level of trust in that town this wouldn't have happened in the first place.

The circumstances of the crime scream "local knowledge"...this means a double child murderer is wandering around town, scott free, and I seem to care more than Iowans do. :dunno:

IIRC, you have experience doing clerical work/transcription for LE in Australia. Maybe that has caused you to have a poor estimation of LE as a whole. .

Maybe I just have an opinion which you don't share. No need to be demeaning or make excuses for me...I'm as entitled to them as you are to yours.

Dragging someone's personal history into the forum is irrelevant, insulting, and not helpful in the slightest.

But we'll just have to accept, IMO, that we can't force the citizens of Evansdale to react the way you, I or anyone else wants them to.

Likewise I can't be FORCED into thinking all is well in Evansdale and the lack of alarm by the locals is normal or acceptable.

I want to know whether that town is so full of methheads that they've all shut up in fear of losing their supply. I wonder if the locals are too scared of certain individuals to tell what they know or suspect. In my worst moments I wonder if LE is aiding and abetting said methheads (it happens).

You don't need to take personal responsibility to "correct" my thinking. I don't need to follow the herd.

 

[joerose]

It happened in Wyoming:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/13/wyoming-girl-kidnapped-fbi-suspect-cody_n_1963538.html

Another one from Cody, Wyoming.

 

[iamnotagolem]

:runaway:

I still want to know what his tshirt says though. :blushing:

This was discussed a few threads back. I can't remember what it says. I'm sure someone does and will let you know.

 

[cindersoot]

BBM

I'd appreciate a link confirming this info, please. I've seen nothing to indicate that it is a known fact that there are people with information who are keeping it to themselves.

SS, if you want to split hairs over my choice of words, feel free.

Please substitute the word "trust" for "faith", if that makes you feel better somehow.

You aren't local. Locals seem to be trusting LE to handle this investigation - they had ample opportunity to discuss their fears, concerns, anger, etc. at a town hall meeting, and yet very few people turned up. There have been no demonstrations in front of LE headquarters demanding answers. The local media has not published any articles demanding that LE change the way they are handling things. JMO

Who are we, as outsiders, to tell anyone in Evansdale how they should be responding to this horrible event that occurred in their city?

IIRC, you have experience doing clerical work/transcription for LE in Australia. Maybe that has caused you to have a poor estimation of LE as a whole. But we'll just have to accept, IMO, that we can't force the citizens of Evansdale to react the way you, I or anyone else wants them to.

:cheers:

 

[cindersoot]

Good observation Otto. He looks pretty dry for riding in that hot weather too. Thanks for the photo. I have never seen this one.

I can kinda understand the paleness (sunscreen), but I had mentioned before that his shirt is dry as a bone and a large man riding in the heat and humidity should have at least a drop of wetness? Just saying.

 

[cindersoot]

This was discussed a few threads back. I can't remember what it says. I'm sure someone does and will let you know.

He pooped in here and told us himself.

 

[threecrazykids]

He pooped in here and told us himself.

:floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

Best autocorrect on the boards I've seen to date...

Cinder, you crack me up!

 

[BunnyHop]

I was just looking at case photos from July 2012 and came across this one. Thinking back to when I checked the temps for July, it was normal for the temperature to range between 80 and nearly 100 degrees. Ted reported that he cycled daily on the Evansdale Nature Trail ... and cycling in the warm weather, he should have been tanned. He looks exceptionally pale for someone that regularly cycled in the warm weather.

:facepalm:

"should have been"? Really? That's quite an assumption based on that picture.
With all due respect, I disagree. :moo:

 

[BunnyHop]

I ride the trails all the time in the Waterloo/Cedar Falls area.A bicyclist is usually not exposed to a lot of direct sunlight on these trails.His skin looks no different then mine did last summer.

Maybe he uses sunscreen. :seeya: