IA IA - Elizabeth Collins, 8, & Lyric Cook, 10, Evansdale, 13 July 2012 - #3

[passionflower]

Does anyone local know anything about grandma's neighborhood? drugs? couples or singles? criminal activity? housing developement? anything that might indicate a problem? A house kids hang out allot? A man like David Westerfield?

 

[Patty G]

I recorded the press conference "Audio Only" and uploaded it to my YouTube Channel.
http://youtube.com/Sierra1947

 

[sreshowtime]

the bikes moved possibly?? Oh my now we may never know if the bikes were left in a hurry( thrown on ground) or what!
Now if... if the perp(s) planted/staged the bikes in THAT position were they trying to make it look like the girls stopped of their own accord? and then drowned?? with the purse thrown over the fence towards the lake??

oh my oh me

 

[Jules71]

I wish the reporter would have pushed harder for clarification on the bikes. The question was asking if he knew how the bikes were found - like if they were up on their kickstands.

He answered by saying one HAS a kickstand the other does not. He also said they were leaning against the fence when he arrived.

That does not tell us how they were found IMO. Especially since we have one witness who says they were laying on the trail.

So this did not help us learn more imo.

 

[palaminodee]

Nurse Moderator
Am I permitted to post a case in Cedar Rapids that just occurred?

 

[elepher50]

Nurse Moderator
Am I permitted to post a case in Cedar Rapids that just occurred?

Is it in mainstream media with a link?

 

[hollyblue]

so LE says bikes were up against the fence right? That means they were moved (most likely by the tipster who almost wrecked running into them on his own bike?)

If he did he never admitted to the press,....unless I missed it. I wish the MSM would have ask about any fingerprints that might have been found on the bike, purse or phone. It seems LE wants to keep the public focused on the lake, when we know (from scanner thread) there is much more going on. Then add to what they most definitely are keeping close to the vest.

 

[palaminodee]

Is it in mainstream media with a link?

yes it is

 

[nikb]

I wish the reporter would have pushed harder for clarification on the bikes. The question was asking if he knew how the bikes were found - like if they were up on their kickstands.

He answered by saying one HAS a kickstand the other does not. He also said they were leaning against the fence when he arrived.

That does not tell us how they were found IMO. Especially since we have one witness who says they were laying on the trail.

So this did not help us learn more imo.

I can't find the article but I remember reading that the bicyclist had nearly crashed when he had to dodge the bikes. I never read before that he moved them, but I can see doing that to help the next person. I agree, doesn't help us learn more at all.

 

[Wishbone]

I wish the reporter would have pushed harder for clarification on the bikes. The question was asking if he knew how the bikes were found - like if they were up on their kickstands.

He answered by saying one HAS a kickstand the other does not. He also said they were leaning against the fence when he arrived.

That does not tell us how they were found IMO. Especially since we have one witness who says they were laying on the trail.

So this did not help us learn more imo.

That sheriff is making sure we have no facts!!

 

[elepher50]

yes it is

Please post it with the link - no harm done.

 

[AmarilloByAM]

Does Cedar Rapids story = man impersonating police officer = scary?

 

[palaminodee]

Does Cedar Rapids story = man impersonating police officer = scary?

yes

http://www.kcrg.com/news/local/Man-Arrested-for-Impersonating-Police-in-Cedar-Rapids-162618706.html

 

[hollyblue]

Does Cedar Rapids story = man impersonating police officer = scary?

If it's a man in white van I'm just gonna :thud:

 

[AmarilloByAM]

yes

http://www.kcrg.com/news/local/Man-Arrested-for-Impersonating-Police-in-Cedar-Rapids-162618706.html

Makes me feel nauseous.

 

[interface7]

I'm very curious about the computer forensics piece of all this. I know it's been said before, but worth repeating: those girls most likely had online social media accounts (facebook, twitter, etc). Predators are EVERYWHERE. These girls could have come in contact with one and lured them.

LE and their computer forensics team with scour those hard drives for information and possibly find *something* along these lines. A private message, a chat transcript, etc. If they do...it's a *lead*.

What many do not realize is when one deletes something off a computer it isn't really deleted. SO, if the girls were smart enough to "cover their tracks" (or *think* they were covering tracks)...they really weren't. That data stays resident on the hard drive even after a "deletion". "Deletion" really means "mark this data sector to where it can be overwritten by new data". Until it's overwritten....the original data persists.

 

[passionflower]

yes

http://www.kcrg.com/news/local/Man-Arrested-for-Impersonating-Police-in-Cedar-Rapids-162618706.html

oh man look at him! a woman carrying a child!:banghead:

 

[Jim Spellman CNN]

Hey all..I'm covering this from Evansdale...I reported on Daniel walking out of interview, the computers and attic search...I'm happy to answer some questions If I can.

 

[GrainneDhu]

Randomish two in the morning thoughts...

Why THERE? I think the location the bikes were discovered is important.

This location is apparently the only place along the path that one would expect to be unobserved. It is apparently very small, perhaps only a couple dozen feet long. So why were they left there?

The girls did not HIDE them, the bikes were left (reportedly) in plain sight and perhaps actually blocking the path.

This (random late night thoughts again) leads me to conclude that the girls encountered someone at that location. However, the odds of a child EVER encountering a random maniac (for lack of a better word) are vanishingly small. And the odds that they would just happen to stumble across one THERE, at this location, by random chance, stretch believability beyond breaking. It is beyond far-fetched.

Which leads me, at this hour, to conclude that the girls had visited that lake previously, perhaps several times, and that over the course of these visits they made a special friend who wasn't really their friend at all. I suspect, random thoughts again, that this friend anticipated their coming and waited for them there. This was someone they knew and were comfortable with, and when they found him on the path they were not alarmed at all.

Just my opinion and all that.

Back in 1978, a 12 year old junior high student in Florida had her first class of the day in a temporary building outside the main building of her junior high school. She went into the main building for her second class but then realised she'd left her purse in the first class classroom. So she ran back out to the temporary building to reclaim her purse.

After that, the story gets a little blurry. See, that girl's name was Kimberly Leach and she was Ted Bundy's last victim.

Looking at the story before Ted enters the picture, it's almost inconceivable that she would be murdered that day. If she had attended a different junior high school. If she had been assigned a different classroom. If she hadn't forgotten her purse. If Ted hadn't been prowling that day.

So many things had to fall together for Kimberly Leach to die that day that it would have seemed impossible the day before that Kimberly would be Ted Bundy's last victim.

And yet, all those seemingly impossible things all fell together in just the wrong way for that poor girl.

At this point, I feel it is too soon to rule out a predator who found a spot that looked like a good place to hunt. That the predator wasn't looking specifically for Elizabeth and Lyric but in some way, circumstances fell together in such a way that they fit his profile for potential victims.

Ollipop and a few other locals have all said that they have felt uncomfortable about that one stretch of trail, that it's essentially a blind curve, closed in, close enough to I380 so that traffic noise muffles other sounds, etc.

Sounds like the sort of place that predators seek out.

 

[interface7]

Hey all..I'm covering this from Evansdale...I reported on Daniel walking out of interview, the computers and attic search...I'm happy to answer some questions If I can.

What computers were taken from the home?