IA IA - Elizabeth Collins, 8, & Lyric Cook, 10, Evansdale, 13 July 2012 - #3

[Kamille]

If this is directed at me, I do not have any trouble thinking that someone could easily subdue the girls with a weapon.

However, I was thinking about something that hadn't been mentioned on these threads yet that I recall...the girls going somewhere they were not supposed to, inside the gate and onto the jetty and someone "catching" them "breaking the law".

It would have been very easy to get them to go with the abductor with them knowing that they had done something wrong, IMO, without having to use a weapon or force.

Just another thought of what may have occurred and certainly not outside the realm of reality. People impersonate authority figures all the time.

Also, if the dogs hit on the jetty as the girls having been on it, then it makes even more sense, IMO, because that is not somewhere they should have been.


Hollye

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I've thought this right from the beginning Hollye. That the girls noticed that unlocked gate and decided to go through to the water to explore. Maybe walking along the shoreline until they reached that forested area and even went in there to explore as well. The water level was low and even from the first pictures of the shoreline before the draining started there was a small area that could be walked on without walking in the water.

After seeing the pictures that Ollipop so kindly put up for us, I was thinking today that if a pedophile was out scouting around the area looking for lone children, perhaps he was parked in the parking lot at the park. From there he could see the two girls exploring along the shoreline alone from the other side of the lake. If he knew the area well, he could drive his car over to that pump house and pull in. Now he could have met up with the girls on the shoreline or in the forested area and done something just like you said, call himself an authority figure and admonish them for going through the gate. He may even have told them he was going to take them home to their parents to tell them about it.

Two problems of course with this theory are that you'd assume there were people at the park and they also would have seen the girls on the other side of the lake. There should also be footprints along the shoreline.

But in your theory, at least the footprint issue is taken care of. They just went on the rock jetty (maybe that snapping turtle was hanging around there ) and were still there when he got there. So he convinced them to come back through the gate and to his car.

MOO

 

[palaminodee]

care to share?

I wish I had the transcript because I do not want to misquote her...but something to the fact that she did not want to know who they are that may of taken her daughter and niece...she said that several times in the interview

 

[Mandy113]

:woohoo:


I do realize that, my point is the adults involved and their acquaintances were involved in drugs/meth...I can't help but believe this had something to do with her death

Just my opinion of course

Oh, I didn't mean to sound as if you didn't know the case. I remember hearing about the drug connection too. Apologies if it seemed I doubted you or your very valid opinion.

I've seen Evelyn mentioned in a few news stories lately. I personally don't see any direct connection between her case and this one. I simply wanted to point out the difference for people who are not familiar with her case, especially since it remains unsolved. I don't think we have a serial child killer around here. However, drugs could very well play a part in the disappearance of these girls, I don't know.

I'm afraid my writing seems snippy at times when I don't intend it.

 

[hollyblue]

But if this was someone who was stalking Lyric, why not take her when she was alone? It is much more dangerous, IMO, to take two children. I know it has been done before, but it seems like Lyric was alone sometimes, IIRC. Wasn't she late in getting home not too long before they disappeared?

She was with her other cousin at that time too tho.

 

[sweetpea33]

I wish I had the transcript because I do not want to misquote her...but something to the fact that she did not want to know who they are that may of taken her daughter and niece...she said that several times in the interview

yes she did...and you are right..makes you wonder

 

[GrainneDhu]

I am just getting the feeling that LE has no idea what happened, and just keep pushing on the family in hopes that they did it and will confess. You are telling me after this long that they have been able to positively clear over 300 RSO within the 10 miles of this area, but they haven't been able to clear the dad in that time?

Nothing in this case makes sense. Bringing in scent dogs 4 days after the disappearance? Consistently saying there is no evidence of abduction, but it looks less and less likely that anything else would have happened? Not getting the computers until day 5?

They were using dogs Friday night (the same day the girls disappeared).

The dogs they brought in 4 days later are differently trained than the dogs they were using previously.

Chief Deputy Abben has been up front about saying that LE does not know what happened.

 

[Jules71]

I wish I had the transcript because I do not want to misquote her...but something to the fact that she did not want to know who they are that may of taken her daughter and niece...she said that several times in the interview

Right it was something like we don't care who you are or need to know who you are - we have forgiven you - just please bring them back - no questions asked. Or something similar.

 

[Ollipop]

Been SuperDad all day, just catching up.

Can any of our wonderful locals say if its common to have transients/homeless/drifters in the area? I'd imagine in a town this small...you'd recognize someone who is "out of place" or is it common to have non-residents pass thru frequently?

There is a local transient or two. I am a disc golfer (was, anyway) and I and several of my discing friends consistently see the same couple guys on bikes - old, haggard, drunk, but very friendly. Earlier this spring, a member of my disc golf league (there is a course in Deerwood Park, a block from Meyers Lake), mentioned he'd sort of befriended a homeless guy (one of those two transients I'd seen and still see once in a while), and was taking him some blankets because its cold out. I have heard of a small camp on the other side of the interstate, in the woods near the river. By camp, I mean where one or two ppl sleep. I am certain the local police know of these ppl, I've seen them talking to them. I've personally talked to them once, when they were resting on the bench on the west end of the lake. They were articulate, friendly, but drunk. I had my kids with me. They were respectful, and did not strike me as dangerous or creepy in any way, just downtrodden. I've never seen either begging, loitering, or panhandling. They travel by bike, they keep to themselves, they apparently don't cause trouble.

Living in Evansdale
The Collins Family: Drew and Heather Cook Collins and their four children, one of whom is Elizabeth, 8.

Heather's mother, Wylma Cook, comes over most mornings to help Heather care for Drew and Heather's four children because Heather has a serious health problem. Lyric has been accompanying her grandmother to the Collins' home recently since her mother, Misti, began a new job.


Living in Waterloo
Wylma Cook: Misti Cook Morrissey lives with her mother, Wylma Cook, and Misti's daughter, Lyric, 10. Lyric is the daughter of Mysti and Daniel E. Morrissey. Wylma is the mother of three daughters: Heather, Misti, and Tammy.

Vicki Weikert: Paternal grandmother of Lyric Morrissey. Mother of Daniel E. Morrissey.


I think I have it correct about who lives where for those listed above, but does anyone know...

1) Does Lyric's brother live with Lyric and Misti Morrissey and their grandmother/mother, Wylma Cook, in Waterloo or does he live somewhere else?

2) Does Dan Morrissey live with Lyric, Misti and Wylma at Wylma's house or does he live with his mother in Waterloo or does he have his own place?

3) Are Misti and Dan Morrissey married to each other at this time or is he married to someone else (he mentioned a wife one night on TV)?

I'm confused....

Oh dear. JVM does have new info.

1. Daniel has long rap sheet of arrests, most recently meth (very recent). Caught with 3 meth labs. Trial coming up in 3 weeks. He is addicted to it and makes it.

2. Daniel and Misti have been separated for some time. Daniel is bio father (speculation was he was step-father)

3. Daniel has a 16 yo son and was at home with him when girls went missing.

I would think as far as the community goes, yes, we'd notice a transient in our neighborhoods. Especially in Evansdale, you tend to know more about the neighbors.

Are Misti and Dan Morrissey married to each other at this time or is he married to someone else (he mentioned a wife one night on TV)?



Aunt Tammy on the JVM show just said that Dan and Misty have been separated for some time due to his meth addiction

I have "inside" info that I was not comfortable mentioning before seeing this from JVM, but I can confirm all of the above. I have no specific knowledge of DM's criminal record, but do know that he and Misti are in the process of terminating their marriage, and from what I understand were not to be around each other. Obviously recent events have made that impossible. I'm not sure what of this is public record. I don't believe they are/were attempting to keep any of this secret, however.

I really am this far back in the thread, but reading this I wanted to mention it since it backs up what I'd said earlier about the pressure in this family and them not exactly wanting to be under the microscope.

I'm honestly not sure I should be mentioning this at all, but did because I see it was brought up on national TV.

It's funny you mention that. When I was looking at Ollipop's pics and some of the obscure trails, that came to my mind. We fish alot and those trails look to be walked by fisher people trying for better access to the lake looking for a good fishing hole.

I can imagine that would be a good spot to hide off the beaten trail so to speak.

Yup, that is my suspicion as well. Either someone hid there and lured them into an awaiting vehicle, or did so back up by their home, and either hurriedly dumped the bikes back behind the lake, or left them and some other kids, now too scared to speak up, hopped on them and rode them down there. Obviously confirming that someone spotted the girls near the lake solidifies only one of those possibilities.

 

[GrainneDhu]

The only way that I would be suspicious of the father is if he was the last one to see the girls. If her had been babysitting and then reported them missing, then I would have some interest in him. But they were seen out riding their bikes that afternoon. I really see no motive nor opportunity for him to be the perp given those circumstances.

But I hope he stops storming out of interviews, because he needs to be cleared completely so LE can move on from him.

According to a couple different interviews, Lyric's father DM was at his mother's house, napping. And had his 16 year old son (Lyric's brother) with him. It's difficult for me to believe that both his mother and his 16 year old son would lie to conceal his activities or that both would be able to lie convincingly.

I imagine that his adrenaline has been on full flow ever since Friday, he hasn't gotten enough sleep and he's on edge. Under those conditions, some people cry, others shut down and some people get angry. And being full of adrenaline and exhaustion, well, I know I don't have great emotional control under such circumstances.

 

[Wishbone]

Ollipop

Are people scared and keeping their children close or is it business as usual in little town america. I would think people would be really worried and watching their children very closely.

 

[sreshowtime]

Cook said officials also took a computer from her home --- she said it hadn't been used since late last year --- and searched her attic Wednesday.
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Read More: http://wcfcourier.com/news/local/ly...128-11e1-af57-0019bb2963f4.html#ixzz211pWN7rz


bbm if that is the case I am very curious how/where Lyric was getting on FB and friending people, within the last month or so.
Is there a public library?? Friends?

 

[roseofsharon]

Think back to EC's mom Heather's interview over the phone on HLN show...thinking back to certain things she said really jump out at me now that we know about the trial details...

In her plea, M said "if" you took ..... I think that is what I heard and found it strange. IMO

 

[Jules71]

Do we have a transcript of Heather's phone interview on HLN?

 

[Ollipop]

OMG why does nearly every case I follow lately have a meth connection! Geez!

Sadly, Iowa has become overrun with meth. Many towns, many families, destroyed, hollowed completely out.

JVM Show

Tammy (sister) providing info on DM:

-domestic assault charge from last October (on Misty)
-his relationship w/Lyric was good relationship
-she wasn't allowed to hang out w/him
-she was aware was drug addict
-DM is cooperating 100%

-Grandma has custody of Lyric and ? [brother-? not sure]

-Dog went into the woods for both Lyric and Elizabeth

The woods where I saw, photographed, and reported tire tracks. Ugh.

Could they have gotton in a boat with someone-are their houses in that lake area

Very unlikely. The timeline, and with people at the parking area/boat ramp, would not really support this. Boats have been rare on that lake. There are a few houses with private docks as well, but people would have noticed someone entering a boat from shore.

Aunt Tammy went on to say that the dogs went into the woods to where you could park a car back there. You're right, she's so excited it hard to follow her.

Ugh, part 2.

From the looks of him(a little heavy)he may not be doing much meth while waiting to go to trial.

You must be looking at different pics than I, or perhaps confusing him with Drew C. He is the very consistent with a meth addict. I've known plenty...too many.

Gosh! I just hope this was not meth-related. Someone(s) getting back at the father. Surely that would make it a local who would know the area and about the girls and their habits and whom the girls may have come upon while bike riding. Moreover, the girls would recognize/know this person or persons from the area and gone with willingly.

This is becoming a more-likely scenario. I believe it was discussed very early, that perhaps they stumbled upon a temporary meth lab, maybe even right there in those woods. I've heard of people making it in the front seat of a car while driving, meth labs are found all over, in the strangest of places here in Iowa.

 

[FrayedKnot]

I think she is a just a big boned, muscular girl and it's prolly correct at 145. Muscle weighs more that fat (denser). My grandmother was polish/swedish and the same. I don't know what she weighed, but at 5' 9" her body was like a linebackers. You no mess with her! Me....like your DD.

You may be right. I am an Amazon, but my sis and I were uber gangly and knobby kneed growing up. My DD got her height from her dad and me, but her build from her dad. She is very fit, plays sports and we lead an active life.

But I still say that there is no way the child in those pics weighs what I do, and I am a 5'11", perimenopausal woman. I would guess more like 110-115.

That said, hopefully any one who is looking out for her is going by her pics and not so much the vitals.

 

[passionflower]

From the girls view, if a friend of your parents, said you were going to be ok and took you to a fun location, bought you new clothes.........for a week, you would be fine and not know people where looking for you at that age................??????

 

[Jules71]

I checked out the owners of that garage with partial foundation over by the wooded area on the county assessors parcel map. Looks like it is co-owned by a father and adult son perhaps. Typed both of their names into the court records search and didn't find anything weird.

Links if anyone wants to do the same:
http://www2.co.black-hawk.ia.us/website/bhmap/viewer.htm
https://www.iowacourts.state.ia.us

 

[Ollipop]

On one hand I'm wondering if Lyric was not allowed to have contact with her father and he was the one that orchestrated some "reunion" to meet at this secluded spot at the Lake. Would explain why they went "that far" although the family says they would never go there on their own. Something happened, Dad high on meth, had a drug buddy with him (sweet Shaniya comes to mind).....

On the other hand, if he's been cleared by alibi/ witnesses that place him elsewhere etc...I hope LE doesn't focus on him because of his past/present. Granted he's a low life and apparently so was the Mom, which would def explain the lack of supervision, but it doesn't mean that his daughter doesn't deserve the same time/effort looking elsewhere.

I don't know them. I've known many people caught in the grip of meth (I've worked in kitchens/restaurants and they seem to be attracted to those jobs with no drug testing), and I have to chime in here. Because someone is addicted to that evil drug does not make them a lowlife. It is the one of the ugliest things that can happen to an otherwise good person. From what I've seen, it is almost impossible to escape once in that drug's grasp, and it literally hollows people out, spiritually and physically.

I am actually surprise it took that long for all that info to come out!

I agree. I have a source inside the judicial system, and have just been waiting for it to surface.

 

[GrainneDhu]

Is one family trying to stay to the side - doesn't know why one would talk more than the other family. Family is free to talk with whoever they want.

That is a "well duh" question.

Heather Collins almost died two years ago and was in the hospital a couple weeks ago due to problems with her pacemaker. The pictures I've seen of her, she just does not look well.

Now this.

No wonder they are letting sister Misty do most of the talking. Heather needs to conserve her energy and try to keep her other three children from going to pieces.

 

[nikkiw319]

my teen and I live in Waterloo, but her friends live in Evansdale, so I am not exactly sure of the location. what she told me was it was on the other side of the creek in the woods behnd Bunger (I am thinking Bunger Park/School area). he was clearly sleeping at an illegal campsite, no tent, no sleeping bag,just blankets. he had hs belongings in a womens' tote bag.

wow, that's scary, especially since it sits right behind the school. I know during the school year, many kids are cutting through that way to make it to the main road.

and town is not in a PANIC?????

I would say they are. Everywhere you go, even in Waterloo and cedar falls, it's all people are talking about. I've seen very few kids roaming the streets since this happened which is very unusual for the area considering kids are all home for the summer.

Ollipop

Are people scared and keeping their children close or is it business as usual in little town america. I would think people would be really worried and watching their children very closely.

Not business as usual. Ollipop is closer to the scene than I am but even I notice the increased traffic in the area, people walking all over towards the lake, and everyone keeping their kids in the house. Were also seeing a lot more LE than usual, there's usually only a few patrol cars per shift.