IA IA - Elizabeth Collins, 8, & Lyric Cook, 10, Evansdale, 13 July 2012 - #3

[Shelby2]

Seems so very detailed. Username given, never posted previously on ABC news website. The person might not feel comfortable going directly to LE for various reasons. I'm on the fence on this one, but could be important.

Has anyone reported this yet? If not I will

 

[Ollipop]

If people are thinking the bikes were taken and dropped by other than the girls, were the bikes tested for fingerprints? Was the phone or the little purse? What all was printed? The more areas, like the end of the fence, or the top of the fence if someone may have jumped it, or some of these areas you think the girls might have been in, how difficult would it be to print these things as opposed to possibly overlooking something important. Like the garage? Who owns it and where are they and was the lock looked at for prints. Or windows, whatever. Especially since you're saying rain is impending and is going to impede the investigation.
OKAY WebSleuthers: WHERE DO YOU THINK PRINTS SHOULD BE TAKEN? How about it Ollipop and the others that know the area. Where do you think is a good place for potentially important prints?

I believe the LE spokesman said the bikes had been "processed." From what I understand, also, they had been moved by the time he arrived on the scene. The garage, I probably wouldn't bother with it. Unless these are the worst investigators in the history of police work, that garage has been covered. The bikes would be the most-obvious place I'd look, at least for prints. That pump house area, as well. The fences? The gate in the fences? The latch on that gate? Obviously tainted now.

The problem, as I see it, is that LE seems unwilling to consider abduction a possibility. Didn't he say they "didn't believe foul play was involved?" Well, the investigation has shown that, and they seem to have yet to give the idea serious merit in public statements. However, everything they are doing, other than draining the lake, points towards them assuming foul play is involved. Unless they think the girls willingly are still hiding somewhere in someone's basement or car, or climbed into someone in Evansdale's trash. I just think they know something they are hesitant to alarm this small community about.

I've been haunted by this thought all along, that the girls were not abducted at the lake, but rather the bikes were just hurriedly dumped there. The tire tracks, the placement of the bikes and the discarded purse/phone, the timeline, the dogs, and now some freaky commenter/psychic on the internet, all point to it. But Occam's Razor points directly at someone luring these girls away from their bikes right there at the lake and the woods (well, actually that pointed in the lake), which is growing ever less likely. Either way, those woods seem to hold the key, and if so, someone who knew those woods well is involved.

There've just been too many attempted abductions in Iowa so far this spring/summer for LE to expect people to ignore that idea. It baffles me that they seem to be saying, in public, that they think the girls ran away or are lost, while behind the scenes are accusing a father and searching the landfill.

For the record, the lake is now receded several feet from the original shoreline. I've not seen nor heard of footprints in what would have been deep, thick mud there, for several feet out from the bank, nor any other evidence, despite two kayakers continuously circling the ever-shrinking shoreline.

 

[Jokerswild]

Okay I called the tip line to notify them about the comment...they said someone had just called in to let them know. So at least they are aware...better safe than sorry!

 

[Reannan]

I am jumping in the middle here with only a peripheral following of this case from the beginning. My FIRST gut feeling, was that it was NOT a family abduction. I felt the same way with Sierra Lamar. It is easy to say that in hind sight in the Sierra Lamar case, but honestly, after years of following this stuff, you just get a 'feel' for what is.... or is not.... happening. I have NOT seen any of the media interviews with any family members. I have heard the horrilbe, disgusting, word 'meth' thrown into this quagmire, and I am simultaneously horrified, sickened, and depressed by that. The "meth" connection makes any case hard to compare to anything 'normal'. Meth is a horrible, terrible, disgusting, and evil drug. I do not know why anyone would ever want to try it to start with. Meth may be a red herring in this case, but the fact that it was a part of the lives of the adults who should be central to the lives of these children makes me sad. They deserved better. I remain hopeful in this case, but I don't have a good feeling about it. I hope I am wrong. :twocents:

 

[nikb]

I have no idea how many parents have told me this same story. It isn't an unusual scenario. She's ten, she got in trouble for not doing her chores, she got mad, packed something, and said she was running away. She didn't run away, though. <snipped for space>

I was thinking the same thing. I think I "ran away" at least a half dozen times as a kid around the 8-10 age range. I think even if she did "run away" it wasn't intended to be for more than a few hours.

 

[nikb]

It, sadly, appears that you should wonder about mom's polygraph also.&#8232;

That does make me sad and even more worried.

 

[Pensfan]

It sounds like someone trying to be a psychic.

If you google the name, you will see that this screen name admittedly posts when he/she is bored. This person has also posted that he/she lives in Pennsylvania.

 

[StacyMarie83]

My feelings are that if a credible person had a credible tip they would call the tip line instead of leaving a random comment on an article. JMO

what through me off is it seemed very childish but detailed. Thought maybe a kid that overheard a parent or suspected a adult figure?!

 

[GrainneDhu]

Ollipop

Are people scared and keeping their children close or is it business as usual in little town america. I would think people would be really worried and watching their children very closely.

My little town is 90 miles away and there has been a noticeable drop in the number of kids seen without an adult within 20 feet of them.

Even where I live, which is 6+ miles out of town, I haven't seen the kids from down the road since Friday. We live on a gravel road that can only be reached by gravel roads, so we're really out in the country here. But the kids haven't been on their ATVs at all since Friday. I can only imagine their parents are keeping them close.

Life here is definitely not going on as normal.

 

[Shelby2]

A few questions- the parents are ok to discuss now? Are they married?

 

[StacyMarie83]

A few questions- the parents are ok to discuss now? Are they married?

married and separated<---lyrics

cannot speak about EC (iidr they are married and okay??)

 

[sweetpea33]

A few questions- the parents are ok to discuss now? Are they married?

y understanding is LCM's parents are married but separated. EC's folks are married and living together

 

[cluciano63]

The whole meth thing matters to me because it is not a drug done in private, it usually involves a network of seedy people. IMO, people who do meth know and hang out with other people who do meth, and therefore bring an element around that might not be around otherwise. JMO

 

[sweetpea33]

My little town is 90 miles away and there has been a noticeable drop in the number of kids seen without an adult within 20 feet of them.

Even where I live, which is 6+ miles out of town, I haven't seen the kids from down the road since Friday. We live on a gravel road that can only be reached by gravel roads, so we're really out in the country here. But the kids haven't been on their ATVs at all since Friday. I can only imagine their parents are keeping them close.

Life here is definitely not going on as normal.

reminds me of when I was a kid and Johnny Gosch and Eugene Martin were ubducted...a very heavy, intense feeling about.

 

[mysticrose]

After reading this article, I would be of the opinion someone has been watching these girls and their routines and planning. If you read the article you see that several people were used to seeing the girls daily on their bikes with them stopping to visit with everyone.

"“We see them practically all the time ride their bikes right past our house, but they come down and turn around in the street,” he said

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“I broke down for the first time because I was so used to, especially Elizabeth, seeing her every night ride her bicycle and she always stopped and talked to people. She was a friendly little girl,” Marcella Carpenter said

http://indianolarecordherald.desmoi...fter-their-disappearance?odyssey=mod|mostview

 

[Mjskit]

Ahhhh, like yours truly? Lol!

Very good point. I have a desktop and laptop and I still do most of my interwebz on my iphone.

Excellent point. Hink averted!

We don't know if Lyric had her own cell phone. I read that she used her grandmothers though. Maybe grandma found out about zoosk.com and did away with the home PC and internet to protect Lyric from predators? ***IMO***

 

[cluciano63]

After reading this article, I would be of the opinion someone has been watching these girls and their routines and planning. If you read the article you see that several people were used to seeing the girls daily on their bikes with them stopping to visit with everyone.

"“We see them practically all the time ride their bikes right past our house, but they come down and turn around in the street,” he said

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“I broke down for the first time because I was so used to, especially Elizabeth, seeing her every night ride her bicycle and she always stopped and talked to people. She was a friendly little girl,” Marcella Carpenter said

http://indianolarecordherald.desmoi...fter-their-disappearance?odyssey=mod|mostview

Yet LE knows all of this and still is going with "no foul play." They seem determined to find the girls in that lake. JMO

 

[Jessicaleanne1992]

Wow, that is creepy.

Could post what it says? Im on my phone and cant find it.

 

[Nana46]

Yet LE knows all of this and still is going with "no foul play." They seem determined to find the girls in that lake. JMO

And even if they are found in that lake (God forbid) it surely can still be foul play. No evidence they went in of their own free will......so sad. This just hearts my heart.

 

[GrainneDhu]

I may be a bit skewed, but I am kinda surprised that any household in 2012 does not have a working computer with internet access.

Even cases we read about where the family is all but destitute, they have FB pages and play Farmville and have commented on a blog and have email.

This is really the first hinky feeling I have gotten over the family. No working computer in over 6 months? Really?

And FTR, I totally accept that I may not have a true picture of average America.

Keep in mind that we're talking about a minimum of 3 different households (the Collins, Misty Cook and her mother Wylma, Dan Morrissey and his mother Vicky Weikert; I may not have all the names spelled correctly). Four if you include sister Tammy.

The person who said her computer had not been used in over a year is Wylma Cook, who looks to be in her late 60s or 70s.

She didn't say none of the family had computers and internet access. Just that her particular computer hasn't been used recently.

Statistically, the age group least likely to use computers are those over 65 years old.

Maybe I don't have a working hinky meter but it just doesn't seem unbelievable to me that someone in her late 60s or 70s wouldn't use a computer.