IA IA - Elizabeth Collins, 8, & Lyric Cook, 10, Evansdale, 13 July 2012 - #30

[threecrazykids]

BBM

You're right about the grass/brush etc. It must have been very dense.

I don't believe 7 Bridges was a dump site, but if it was, then I think there had to be two people involved. Everything about this case, IMO, was carefully planned - including disposing of the bodies at 7 Bridges. It seems to me it would be more efficient if one person carried one child, and one person carried the other child. It might explain the location of the remains - one perp was unable to make it as far as the other perp.

One person could have carried the girls, one at a time, but that would mean a greater likelihood of being seen, and much greater physical exertion, IMO.

I wouldn't consider it a dumping ground either. It's not like there was trash everywhere or anything like that. But as with any remote area, there is bound to be people, who, for whatever reason, think it's ok to just dump their crap anywhere they want.

The areas that are maintained are actually very pretty and kept well. However, with it being a hunting access, people probably do find it easy to drop stuff there, as it's not heavily used.

ETA: I just realized you meant "dump site" as in the girls bodies...not discarding trash. Sorry about my reply making no sense. HAHAHA

I agree with Cinder...IF this person carry their bodies in, they were familiar with the area, and were physically fit enough to haul them all the way in there.

 

[cindersoot]

It sounds like a manky place.

OK on the surface but full of hidden bad stuff, a lot like our perp.

I think whoever dumped them out there knew this was a local trash depository and has possibly dumped other stuff out there as well.

:moo:

There is the normal rubbish here and there, but not to the point of looking like a garbage site, no, the place is beautiful. There was a flood thru there one year and I'm sure some of the discarded bottles, etc were from the flood. Not the tv though.

 

[cindersoot]

I know there is an article or something I have heard where LE said they did not believe that the girls were murdered there that it is a dump site. They would surely know, because there would be evidence to a killing. We don't know how long the bodies were there, it could be that the perp killed them right away and buried them on his property then moved them later because he was spooked. In that case the bodies could of been mere skeleton. Also if the bodies were intact and dead weight, a grown man would have no trouble carrying or most likely dragging them in. A hunter can carry a very large deer, dead weight.

 

[Marilynilpa]

I know there is an article or something I have heard where LE said they did not believe that the girls were murdered there that it is a dump site. They would surely know, because there would be evidence to a killing. We don't know how long the bodies were there, it could be that the perp killed them right away and buried them on his property then moved them later because he was spooked. In that case the bodies could of been mere skeleton. Also if the bodies were intact and dead weight, a grown man would have no trouble carrying or most likely dragging them in. A hunter can carry a very large deer, dead weight.

BBM

This came from the Nancy Grace show. I think it was just one of Nancy Grace's "bombshells" that turn out to be nothing. JMO.

I know LE has never said anything about 7 Bridges being a dump site.

 

[cindersoot]

I think it was the KWWL news reporter who was on the scene the day the bodies were found. He said he had info from LE that it did not seem to be the place of the girls death.

 

[cindersoot]

This is for threecrazykids, I look at this photo quite a lot and since being there Sunday I noticed all the gravel to the left of the photo. Is that dried river bed, the road, what? The picture seems to show that a vehicle could park nearer than we thought.

 

[cindersoot]

Whoever got in there seems to have evaded the deer cameras too, perhaps by crossing private land instead of approaching through the roadway?

There might not of been any deer cameras at the time. He also might have scoped the place out well.

 

[Reverie]

Regarding the (IMO) over-the-top island memorial, I recall reading a long time ago that Heather is quite a party organizer. Perhaps she sees this memorial as one last "party" to organize for the girls?

I have other comments I'd like to make, but can't figure out how to word them without sounding judgmental or accusing towards Heather and/or Drew. So I'll just say this - I am very puzzled by this memorial, and the motivation behind it.

Sometimes extreme busy-ness keeps our minds off of what we don't want to think about. :blushing: :moo:
:seeya:

 

[Marilynilpa]

I think it was the KWWL news reporter who was on the scene the day the bodies were found. He said he had info from LE that it did not seem to be the place of the girls death.

Sorry, I was wrong about the program - it was Jon Lieberman reporting on Jane Velez Mitchell's show:

That said, my sources tell me the following, which we can report: No. 1, bodies were not found, according to my sources, smack dab next to each other. They were found about 40 to 50 feet next to each other.

The second key point is the theory right now is that this was the dump site. That they are looking for the primary murder scene. In other words, where the bodies were found is not where these two little girls were killed.

In addition, I am told...

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Whoa, whoa, whoa. Hold on. Let`s stop you right there. You`re saying the location where the bodies were found is, according to your police sources, not where the girls were killed, correct?

LIEBERMAN: That is correct. Police are looking for the primary murder scene.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1212/06/ijvm.01.html

I think this might be what you are recalling, cinder.

 

[cindersoot]

I'm going to guess that the deer cam was placed there by LE, and wasn't there prior to the bodies being found.

The way the deer cam is placed and how it's facing, was explicitly there to capture images of anyone who visits the site. Granted that's just my opinion...but most people don't put deer cams on public property, as they would be susceptible to anyone to steal.

I'd bet my next paycheck on it...that deer cam wasn't there when this whole thing went down.

I just wish the deer cam never came up here in case the perp visits this site.

 

[cindersoot]

Sorry, I was wrong about the program - it was Jon Lieberman reporting on Jane Velez Mitchell's show:

That said, my sources tell me the following, which we can report: No. 1, bodies were not found, according to my sources, smack dab next to each other. They were found about 40 to 50 feet next to each other.

The second key point is the theory right now is that this was the dump site. That they are looking for the primary murder scene. In other words, where the bodies were found is not where these two little girls were killed.

In addition, I am told...

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Whoa, whoa, whoa. Hold on. Let`s stop you right there. You`re saying the location where the bodies were found is, according to your police sources, not where the girls were killed, correct?

LIEBERMAN: That is correct. Police are looking for the primary murder scene.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1212/06/ijvm.01.html

I think this might be what you are recalling, cinder.

Nope, not that either.

 

[cindersoot]

It may have been moved since, from what I understand there are several deer cams randomly placed throughout the park. It seems odd that at least one of them didn't record something, especially on the roadway.

Or maybe they did, we just haven't heard about it...

Where did you hear that prior to the murders there were deer cams randomly placed throughout the park? Because in July, in Iowa, there is no reason to have deer cams in a park. Unless someone is looking for big foot.

 

[threecrazykids]

View attachment 31835 This is for threecrazykids, I look at this photo quite a lot and since being there Sunday I noticed all the gravel to the left of the photo. Is that dried river bed, the road, what? The picture seems to show that a vehicle could park nearer than we thought.

That's the dried riverbed. That's how low the water was there last year. Right now the water is free flowing through there like it normally would...but last year it was completely dried up.

I think in the video where I show the "infamous tree", you also see how much the water is up from what it was in the pic you're asking about. I say something like "this is looking BACK up the river" while I'm standing at the edge of the bank drop off.

 

[Bootsctr]

The noise of a quad carrying two girls would sound exactly like a quad carrying a deer so probably wouldn't seem all that risky to a perp who has (maybe) ridden the area countless times and never been approached or witnessed by anyone...:cow:

July is not deer-hunting season, at least not in my part of the woods. Quad on a hot July day would be unusual IMO.

 

[threecrazykids]

View attachment 31835 This is for threecrazykids, I look at this photo quite a lot and since being there Sunday I noticed all the gravel to the left of the photo. Is that dried river bed, the road, what? The picture seems to show that a vehicle could park nearer than we thought.

OMG...I'd never looked really closely at this picture, but I just realized something in seeing this.

Where the wreaths and flowers are placed at the site are NOT where the sheets are in this picture.

Remember the other area where I was showing you that was closer to the river bank where branches were clear cut off and you noticed it they were cut all the way up the tree? And the ground was all combed down to the dirt in a circular shape? THAT is where the one body was found...not where the wreaths were placed.

The memorial wreaths/flowers line up with the path, but these sheets don't form a straight line back to the path as I thought.

That's my error in assuming the placement of the wreaths/flowers represented where the bodies were found.

I can't be sure if the flowers are close to where the other body was found.

I gotta go back.

 

[Marilynilpa]

Nope, not that either.

Okay - well, if you are able to find a link to whatever it is you saw or heard, please provide it. Up until now, I thought the "dump site" theory was just something Jon Lieberman said for sensationalism.

 

[superbee]

View attachment 31820

This picture is for my favorite mod, nurse and her love for hummingbirds.

The Navaho People believe that hummingbirds are messengers between Earth and Heaven.

 

[B4igo2it]

I know there is an article or something I have heard where LE said they did not believe that the girls were murdered there that it is a dump site. They would surely know, because there would be evidence to a killing. We don't know how long the bodies were there, it could be that the perp killed them right away and buried them on his property then moved them later because he was spooked. In that case the bodies could of been mere skeleton. Also if the bodies were intact and dead weight, a grown man would have no trouble carrying or most likely dragging them in. A hunter can carry a very large deer, dead weight.

BBM and info we gotta know! IF only remains discarded ... very easy for one person to place there. Was it only bones and personal effects thrown in this area? Were they in a box, grocery or garbage bag? (this could be why LE believes they were "dumped" - which is an awful term relating to the placement of murder victims) ... but wait, didn't LE tell us "bodies" - we need more info. If remains left intact; would be someone that is old enough to drive or have access to a vehicle to bring them into the park.

 

[SapphireSteel]

July is not deer-hunting season, at least not in my part of the woods. Quad on a hot July day would be unusual IMO.

We don't know when they were dumped...sorry, left there.

 

[B4igo2it]

Paths in the woods are generally made by deer and/or other animals - jmo