IA IA - Elizabeth Collins, 8, & Lyric Cook, 10, Evansdale, 13 July 2012 - #30

[BunnyHop]

I don't post often but read daily. I have thought for some time that someone is hard at work creating a division in this family.

IMHO there seems to be an agenda and manipulation re: social media etc.

As I said, I observe-can't quite put my finger on it. I am watching. :seeya:

 

[Bootsctr]

I don't post often but read daily. I have thought for some time that someone is hard at work creating a division in this family.

I have thought the same thing...I thought maybe LE. Just always thought they came down really hard on Misty and Dan. Heather and Drew being such good friends with Kent Smock, did not get near the drilling, if at all. I've often wondered about Heather's heart condition too. 2010, the year, I believe. Just wonder if they discovered her heart condition the way Brother Jeremiah's heart condition was discovered. . .

 

[Bootsctr]

As an aside, I want to thank Ken Jr. who saw the 2 huge downed pines that day. Those that parked in the upper lot could not get their cars out.

This young man came with his truck and chain saw like Superman. Can't thank him enough. These 2 trees were HUGE. That's Ken Jr. with his chain saw that removed that HUGE tree. :rocker:
He was driving by and saw us in distress. Thank you Kenny Jr. :rocker:



So sorry to go off track. I have no idea about trees in Iowa, but here in NY much old growth.

Amazing picture! It is quite a sight to behold when a large tree is downed. We had several in our yard that we removed in order to build a house. We were lucky. Timber guys happened to in the area cutting trees for pulpwood. He stopped and asked us if we would be interested in selling any of our trees. We sold him the three we needed removed for $700.00. Again, thank you for the picture. It's awesome! Admittedly, I love trees, call me a tree-hugger, I don't care. :floorlaugh:

 

[dotr]

Where id the word "Planetary" Tree Svc comes from? Is someone into
astrology?

Just a thought,
Thinking of astronomy, were the girls placed in a spot beneath any particular alignment of stars?

 

[BunnyHop]

Oh my! I hate to leave good company, but I'm beat! :bedtime: Can't wait to come back tomorrow! Before I leave, just want to get y'all's opinion on someone posting the notice of Lyric's funeral on the Angel's Park Memorial FB Page and somebody liking it and then checking back a little later and the notice being gone? That doesn't sound very nice does it? It seems as though they would want people to know that one of the little angels had been buried today.

Can I call you Bootsy? It's an endearing name to me.

I want to expound on this and go off on a limb. (Pun?)

I am hurt that Dear Lyric seems to be marginalized throughout.
She doesn't get the headlines, attention etc.

I also feel hurt that FB deleted Lyrics memorial.

I personally feel memorials are usually private with family and friends.
Again, I'm in the floral business and we do funerals all the time.
The only time one is "high profile", is when it's in the news. Even then, families have the right to declare privacy.

2 teenage boys were killed during Hurricane Sandy, very sad. Community came out to support the family during the funeral. That was it.

It was dignified.

A young man drowned last year tragically. Community came out to support the family, that was it. (BTW, I work directly with the families)

Lions club came in one day for a funeral. I knew this young man, I worked with his Mother. He OD'd from heroin. Bright, smart, actually a police officer. He went from pain killers to heroin-true story.

My point is we are in no position to judge anyone. We just don't know the details. We can gossip and speculate, that's about it.

I will continue to stand for Lyric. It's the least I can do.

 

[Unique444]

Oh my! I hate to leave good company, but I'm beat! :bedtime: Can't wait to come back tomorrow! Before I leave, just want to get y'all's opinion on someone posting the notice of Lyric's funeral on the Angel's Park Memorial FB Page and somebody liking it and then checking back a little later and the notice being gone? That doesn't sound very nice does it? It seems as though they would want people to know that one of the little angels had been buried today.

Shut the front door!!!! Someone actually posted something about Lyrics funeral and later it was gone? :what:

 

[Bootsctr]

I wonder if Dan is on a suicide watch? It seems his life is crashing in around him and I think today's service for Lyric might be more than he can take. JMO.

I have wondered the very same thing. The last video of him at a hearing, he was still wearing his wedding band. . . very sad.

 

[Unique444]

I have wondered the very same thing. The last video of him at a hearing, he was still wearing his wedding band. . . very sad.

His girlfriend went to the funeral.

 

[Marilynilpa]

I spent a lot of time last night thinking about the girls, especially Lyric. I cried for her, the loss of her life and the void she leaves in her family's life. And that loss makes me angry.

Here are some rambling thoughts, for what they are worth.

1. I find Kent Smock's close relationship to Heather/Drew worrisome. That, along with the apparent free rein being given to the Angels Memorial Island of Evansdale project, has me scratching my head. I can't pinpoint exactly the cause for my concern, but something just doesn't smell right to me.

2. The abduction and murder of one young girl is statistically VERY rare. Yet here we have the abduction and murder of two young girls, who also happen to be cousins. This seems like a statistical impossibility, IMO - but it happened. When something occurs "against all odds", I find it hard to believe it is random. JMO.

3. Meth use, manufacturing, distribution - what role, if any, did it play in what happened. Maybe not directly, but indirectly in some way? I wish I could rule it out as others have, but it's just always there.

4. Misty, Wylma and Tammy were so vocal at the beginning. Yet, after the girls were found, they took a back seat and Heather/Drew came to the forefront. Why this shift? And why is everything for Lizzie so "over the top" (my opinion). Why the apparent focus on memorializing the girls, rather than solving their murders? This continues to puzzle me.

I have no answers, obviously.:banghead:

ETA: I also wonder about Lyric's previous incident of returning home late. Just a coincidence?

 

[BunnyHop]

Just a thought,
Thinking of astronomy, were the girls placed in a spot beneath any particular alignment of stars?

:rocker:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjxSCAalsBE

 

[BunnyHop]

His girlfriend went to the funeral.

How do you know that? May I ask?

 

[Unique444]

How do you know that? May I ask?

She posted it on her FB page.

 

[otto]

As an aside, I want to thank Ken Jr. who saw the 2 huge downed pines that day. Those that parked in the upper lot could not get their cars out.

This young man came with his truck and chain saw like Superman. Can't thank him enough. These 2 trees were HUGE. That's Ken Jr. with his chain saw that removed that HUGE tree. :rocker:
He was driving by and saw us in distress. Thank you Kenny Jr. :rocker:



So sorry to go off track. I have no idea about trees in Iowa, but here in NY much old growth.

The manmade Island at Meyers Lake was created in the early 1980s, so the tress were no older than 33 years. The trees on the Island were described as mostly ash and elm, and we can see the condition of the trees in this recent photo - taken from the parking lot

 

[dotr]

Thanks BunnyHop, that was just the song to hear on this drizzly, downcast day!

 

[Marilynilpa]

I keep focusing on the statistical unlikeness that two girls would be abducted and murdered. I've found the following information regarding the likelihood of one child being abducted (not killed):

But how common are what the Justice Department calls “stereotypical” abductions, the nightmare-caliber crime involving a stranger or slight acquaintance who whisks away a child with the intention of holding him for ransom, keeping him or killing him?

Statistics vary, but not by much. Some estimate about 40 such cases occur each year in the United States. The Justice Department report says there were 115 cases in 2002.

Either way, with 60,700,000 children 14 and under in the United States, the odds of your child being the victim of an Adam Walsh-style abduction are roughly 1 in a million.

You’d be wiser to cancel those horseback-riding lessons. Your child is more likely to be killed in an equestrian accident. (Odds in one year for people who ride horses: 1 in 297,000.) Or better yet, pull him off the football team. (Yearly odds of dying for youth football players: 1 in 78,260.) And if you really want to protect them, sell your car. (Lifetime odds of dying as a passenger: 1 in 228. Odds of dying this year alone: 1 in 17,625.)

Or, to put another spin on it, your child is 700 times more likely to get into Harvard than to be the victim of such an abduction.

snip

And I found this info about the chances of one child being abducted and murdered:

Chances that the kidnapped child will be killed are smaller still. The U.S. Department of Justice says 40 percent of the 115 victims were murdered.

Horrific, yes, but “almost certain not to happen,” says Stearns.

http://missingchild.wordpress.com/2006/08/17/how-dangerouus-is-childhood-cont/

BBM

If the abduction and murder of one child is "almost certain not to happen", then it is astronomically more unlikely that TWO children will be abducted together and murdered.

Yes, it happened, but I feel there is much more to the abduction and murders of Lyric and Lizzie than a random abduction by a stranger. JMO.

 

[Marilynilpa]

Thanks BunnyHop, that was just the song to hear on this drizzly, downcast day!

It's drizzly and gray here today, too.

 

[foxbluff]

Ohhh yes, my friend... the expression that keeps going through my mind these days is that "fools rush in where angels fear to thread."

:what:

gads... too late to edit spelling... now I'll spend the rest of the day picturing angels sewing! :floorlaugh:

 

[otto]

I keep focusing on the statistical unlikeness that two girls would be abducted and murdered. I've found the following information regarding the likelihood of one child being abducted (not killed):

But how common are what the Justice Department calls “stereotypical” abductions, the nightmare-caliber crime involving a stranger or slight acquaintance who whisks away a child with the intention of holding him for ransom, keeping him or killing him?

Statistics vary, but not by much. Some estimate about 40 such cases occur each year in the United States. The Justice Department report says there were 115 cases in 2002.

Either way, with 60,700,000 children 14 and under in the United States, the odds of your child being the victim of an Adam Walsh-style abduction are roughly 1 in a million.

You’d be wiser to cancel those horseback-riding lessons. Your child is more likely to be killed in an equestrian accident. (Odds in one year for people who ride horses: 1 in 297,000.) Or better yet, pull him off the football team. (Yearly odds of dying for youth football players: 1 in 78,260.) And if you really want to protect them, sell your car. (Lifetime odds of dying as a passenger: 1 in 228. Odds of dying this year alone: 1 in 17,625.)

Or, to put another spin on it, your child is 700 times more likely to get into Harvard than to be the victim of such an abduction.

snip

And I found this info about the chances of one child being abducted and murdered:

Chances that the kidnapped child will be killed are smaller still. The U.S. Department of Justice says 40 percent of the 115 victims were murdered.

Horrific, yes, but “almost certain not to happen,” says Stearns.

http://missingchild.wordpress.com/2006/08/17/how-dangerouus-is-childhood-cont/

BBM

If the abduction and murder of one child is "almost certain not to happen", then it is astronomically more unlikely that TWO children will be abducted together and murdered.

Yes, it happened, but I feel there is much more to the abduction and murders of Lyric and Lizzie than a random abduction by a stranger. JMO.

Would you happen to have a link to the source for this information? The link in the comment above seems to go to a blog where the author is presenting unreferenced opinion.

 

[eileenhawkeye]

The "more likely to get into Harvard" is true. 115 children are kidnapped every year by strangers; Harvard gave acceptance letters to 2097 students last year. Although, I don't get how "700x" more likely is true....

 

[foxbluff]

This is the wonderful link set up here for our board by TLC at the time of the Celebration of Life for Lyric.

You may "Light a Candle" in memory of our precious little Lyric:

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=LCM