IA IA - Elizabeth Collins, 8, & Lyric Cook, 10, Evansdale, 13 July 2012 - #30

[Bootsctr]

Why were those girls killed?

Random/ thrill murder?
planned/ targeted?
accidental?
lust?
revenge?
silence witness?
greed?
competition, work or personal?
disrupt community?

Random/ thrill murder. :twocents:

 

[Bootsctr]

But as usual, when there is no new information we tend to discuss anything that is currently in the news about the girls. Right now, it's the memorial. JMO. And I see it as more than a "city matter", because it seems like something is taking place that has a life of its own, without city oversight or any type of control. JMO. And that makes me wonder - why?:waitasec:

I agree! What I assumed would be a simple memorial for the girls has turned to as 3CK said "a shrine" with not one gazebo, but FOUR and the complete destruction of an island. This "project" has definitely as Marilynilpa stated taken on a "life of its own" and it's dividing the city of Evansdale when I read comments from the locals. Maybe it is as simple as people attempting to turn the girls' murders from a nightmare/bad situation into a better one? I don't know, but I can't stop watching. :fence:

 

[Foxfire]

Why were those girls killed?

Random/ thrill murder?
planned/ targeted?
accidental?
lust?
revenge?
silence witness?
greed?
competition, work or personal?
disrupt community?

Imo, recidivist psychopathic sexual predator with a direct or indirect Methamphetamine link...
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[foxbluff]

Here it is, the island before the destruction.

Ohhh Amanda... what a wonderful surprise to logon today and see
this much wanted "one click away" aerial vw of the island in it's native green. Ty so much. Fox

 

[Reverie]

I agree, when there is no new info we do tend to talk about what is currently in the news. Many posts back when you shared the link about the construction I was glad because at least it was something to talk about and keep the thread going.

I understand how people can be upset about the trees but it seems after a time there was more talk about that then there was about suggesting what the motives might be where the girls are concerned. Either way I do like to read any linked up dates about the girls. Really wish we could talk about who we think did it though.

But what about the POSSIBILITY that the perp is involved in this grandiose memorial? Someone with deep pockets? Hoping that the distraction of it all will be in their favor? Might it be guilt-driven? I think the abduction was heavily planned. I don't think that this perp just got lucky. :moo:

 

[eileenhawkeye]

It's possible to talk about more than one thing. The reason why so many cases on here become inactive is because certain topics are deemed "off-limits" (and not by the mods). IMO.

 

[Reverie]

Random/ thrill murder. :twocents:

Planned/targeted. Jmo

 

[AmandaReckonwith]

I agree! What I assumed would be a simple memorial for the girls has turned to as 3CK said "a shrine" with not one gazebo, but FOUR and the complete destruction of an island. This "project" has definitely as Marilynilpa stated taken on a "life of its own" and it's dividing the city of Evansdale when I read comments from the locals. Maybe it is as simple as people attempting to turn the girls' murders from a nightmare/bad situation into a better one? I don't know, but I can't stop watching. :fence:

Really sad to see, isn't it? I am all for the memorials when they have a purpose... like the Zahra Baker Playground in Hickory NC. That is fabulous and nothing was destroyed to make it happen.

The whole idea of the gazebo (1 gazebo) is nice. The finished product will likely be real nice, real pretty and well done.

But that is not the point of contention. I can see both sides... 1)the need to make something good from something horrible... and 2) the lovely wooded island that helped block an ugly highway view.

The town needs to diffuse. But... this could have all been avoided with real plans, not "oh the trees were topheavy and ugly". The trees were lovely.

 

[AmandaReckonwith]

Random/opportunity/stranger/SO that has no record/and-possibly someone the girls had a passing knowledge of.
I think they/he/she are/is a younger person.

 

[stillwatersc]

BBM

Thanks for finding that. It doesn't provide plans, but it does provide us with an understanding of what City Council expected regarding the trees. How did "Undergrowth and a minimum number of trees will be removed from the island. Drew Collins will mark the trees that will be removed" translate to clear cutting? It seems like there was a misundertanding.

Maybe there was a misunderstanding & the cutters thought the marked trees were the ones to remain.

 

[eileenhawkeye]

If the COD was to come out, that might help us narrow down our theories a bit. I know that for me, if the girls were shot, I would be likely to believe it was targeted.

 

[otto]

Maybe there was a misunderstanding & the cutters thought the marked trees were the ones to remain.

If only those trees tagged by Drew as being unhealthy were supposed to be removed, would they have needed a backhoe?

 

[otto]

I found an illustration of the Island plan. It looks like the plan is to have no trees on the Island.

 

[foxbluff]

E

I put this together when I saw what happened.

Ahh Otto... ty for these great "one click away" comparisons! Such handy references to yesterday's discussion for anybody "reading back" on this thread.

I recall when we first heard abt the plans (a misnomer imo) for the island, I suggested that locals might want to save the vw of island before the maps changed.

At that time, here in VA, I wasn't interested in saving an image for myself. It wasn't until I saw the photos on this thread of imo the uncalled for slaughter of innocent life on a little island in E'dale IA that I became fixated on saving a copy for myself. (Once I applied the term "slaughter" I came to a better understanding of my fixation...)

ETA: And no, peeps, I don't think the girls were on the island that day...

 

[tlcya]

If the COD was to come out, that might help us narrow down our theories a bit. I know that for me, if the girls were shot, I would be likely to believe it was targeted.

I am still up in the air. I think sexual motivation along with thrill factor. I think if targeted one girl was the primary and the other the bonus. If targeted it was by a perv who came into casual contact with his primary target, perhaps watching for a while.

I think it has nothing to directly do with parental drug convictions although I acknowledge that perhaps the person was exposed to their target victim via acquaintanceship to the Morrisseys.

I do not even believe it will end up being related to the Morrissey drug issues even peripherally. Odds say Elizabeth may well have been the primary target if there was one.

I do not think this was a random, passing through pervert who happened to luck onto the opportunity to kidnap the girls. Local perp, all the way. Still thinking young twenties, braggart, tries to hard to impress the ladies and does not do well with them. Maiden Lane was used and IMO this individual used to party or 4 wheel out seven bridges way.

Lastly, I think the girls were taken somewhere, a property an out buidling somewhere and that is where they died. I tend to lean towards 7 bridges being a dump site for convenience of perp, familiarity and means of transport of bodies, I am thinking pickup truck with tool box or 4 wheeler or some combination of both.

 

[alliemay]

I am still up in the air. I think sexual motivation along with thrill factor. I think if targeted one girl was the primary and the other the bonus. If targeted it was by a perv who came into casual contact with his primary target, perhaps watching for a while.

I think it has nothing to directly do with parental drug convictions although I acknowledge that perhaps the person was exposed to their target victim via acquaintanceship to the Morrisseys.

I do not even believe it will end up being related to the Morrissey drug issues even peripherally. Odds say Elizabeth may well have been the primary target if there was one.

I do not think this was a random, passing through pervert who happened to luck onto the opportunity to kidnap the girls. Local perp, all the way. Still thinking young twenties, braggart, tries to hard to impress the ladies and does not do well with them. Maiden Lane was used and IMO this individual used to party or 4 wheel out seven bridges way.

Lastly, I think the girls were taken somewhere, a property an out buidling somewhere and that is where they died. I tend to lean towards 7 bridges being a dump site for convenience of perp, familiarity and means of transport of bodies, I am thinking pickup truck with tool box or 4 wheeler or some combination of both.

Good post, I agree with everything you said, but IMO just thinking the perp is between 30 and 40, but everything else IMO is right on.

 

[BunnyHop]

What's up with the bricks costing $3000 each? Where I live, the local football stadium (Rutgers) has it where you can buy bricks that go into a brick walk to honor people. The prices are 4" x 8" is $250, 8" x 8" = $800 and 12" x 12" = $3000. So what is the size of the brick at Evansdale? And who is going to spend $3000 to buy some brick unless the park has some huge sentimental connection to their loved one? I honestly don't think that many people would be interested.

Catching up, I was a bit loopy last night watching Travis thread. :blushing:

I think $3,000 refers to granite benches.

 

[BunnyHop]

old saying; up the river....hudson river..ny sing sing prison; quarried granite by the prisoners..
sing sing; native american; stone upon stone...

Sing Sing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Thanks. Not far from where I live. :jail:

 

[BunnyHop]

Excellent questions! :seeya: Lets expand on this. Might the perp, or someone who knows of/wants to protect the perp have a motive? What if some small item of the girls MIGHT have been left on the island? Someone covering their tracks?

Good question.

 

[BunnyHop]

I'm done with the memorial and complaints. That's a city matter. I'm here to figure out who murdered the girls.

So are we. :jail: