IA IA - Elizabeth Collins, 8, & Lyric Cook, 10, Evansdale, 13 July 2012 - #30

[Marilynilpa]

yes, I read all that info post 1937 refers to and tried to do some research and came up with absolutely nothing Negative on Buzz since this conviction, in fact, on the contrary. It appears that he has been a positive asset to the community through donations of time and $$$.
Shoot, was Heather even born when this crime occurred? Is this common knowledge; did she even know about his past when he gave her the donations?
And remember we discussed -
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His recidivism rate is not at issue as far as my posts are concerned. I am more concerned about his financial trustworthiness. JMO.

 

[threecrazykids]

Re the Memorial Island: At the moment, I am reading "You Can Garden Anywhere.



I think the native Hibiscus is a great choice and I love daylilies. Ornamental grasses would be great too and provide shelter and food for birds.

Working on my own little garden. I think I shall call it my "blog garden" and put in plants and such that remind me of you guys!!! :blushing:

Every garden has at least one stinkbug, right?

Add just one to remember me, thankyouverymuch. :floorlaugh:

 

[SapphireSteel]

I recieved a response this morning from Tony Thompson. Here is what it said.

The memorial is getting press attention .... the investigation is not. This is intentional. This is by no means a cold case, and leads continue to be followed weekly. I can tell you nothing more to preserve the integrity of the investigation. Just because we are not saying anything doesn't mean we aren't doing anything, and the public opinion takes a back seat to the security of this investigation. Sorry Tony.

Wow!!!

Thanks cinder, that is the most encouraging thing I've heard for months now!

"This is intentional". This language tells me that somehow this memorial is significant somehow to their investigation.

Maybe there is someone involved in the Memorial who is being investigated...?

Maybe LE are watching someone, to see what they will do next?

:websleuther:

 

[SapphireSteel]

His recidivism rate is not at issue as far as my posts are concerned. I am more concerned about his financial trustworthiness. JMO.

Murder always profits someone, somehow.

Figure out who profits and you've got yourself a suspect.

 

[tlcya]

Let's see ... 30 yrs ago. we played albums (no longer used), played 8 track tapes (any players even around?), Cost of a gallon of Gas $.86 cents (show me where I can find that today), the assassination of John Lennon. Ronald Reagan is elected towards the end of the year (no interviews with him today!), Who Shot JR? (can't interview Larry today) - And what we were listening to "on the radio" that year when Buzz went to court:

•Call Me - Blondie
•Another Brick In The Wall - Pink Floyd
•Magic - Olivia Newton-John
•Rock With You - Michael Jackson
•Do That To Me One More Time - Captain & Tennille
•Fame - Irene Cara
•Working My Way Back to You/Forgive Me, Girl - The Spinners
•Funkytown - Lipps, Inc., Lipps, Inc.

•Little Jeannie - Elton John
•Upside Down - Diana Ross
•He's So Shy - The Pointer Sisters
•Please Don't Go - KC & the Sunshine Band

•Turning Japanese - The Vapors
•Rapper's Delight - Sugar Hill Gang
•Whip It - Devo
•Escape (The Piña Colada Song) - Rupert Holmes
•Crazy Little Thing Called Love - Queen
•It's Still Rock n' Roll To Me - Billy Joel
•Sailing - Christopher Cross
•Another One Bites the Dust - Queen

what's my point? Have there been any arrests of Buzz since that time? Do we believe in rehabilitation? Did a drug-induced past, flaming sexual desires, and no morals influence the actions of a person 30+ years ago ... the answer could be yes. Can a person ever be accepted into society for the wrongs of their past 3 decades ago? You tell me.

I forgave my abuser. I remain convinced he never abused before and he never abused again. Would he have continued without intervention? I have no doubt he would.

Tough questions you ask. I guess my problem with this man, given my own unique situation, is that his friends, to this day, publicly comment when this is brought up. Their comments do not reflect a "changed" man. Rather they blame his then 13 year old victim. SHE entrapped him. SHE used him. SHE enticed him, etc.

THAT is a problem for me, and a big one.

I will not be providing links. The comments I refer to were under news articles within the first few months of this case once the family connection to this person was known. But I know what I read. I checked out the sources of the comments at the time and they were indeed who they said they were (shame on them BTW), associates of this man's.

Those comments did not achieve the desired results if the point was for people to move on beyond this man's past. They showed that his friends, at least those particular ones whose comments I read, are still in denial that he did anything wrong or that it was a BIG deal.

 

[tlcya]

Wow!!!

Thanks cinder, that is the most encouraging thing I've heard for months now!

"This is intentional". This language tells me that somehow this memorial is significant somehow to their investigation.

Maybe there is someone involved in the Memorial who is being investigated...?

Maybe LE are watching someone, to see what they will do next?

:websleuther:

either that or the hubbub about the park has bought them a bit of space in which to investigate someone specific without so much public attention. All the attention is on the park and the dissatisfaction some community members feel with it.

Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain. - YouTube

 

[SapphireSteel]

I forgave my abuser. I remain convinced he never abused before and he never abused again. Would he have continued without intervention? I have no doubt he would.

Tough questions you ask. I guess my problem with this man, given my own unique situation, is that his friends, to this day, publicly comment when this is brought up. Their comments do not reflect a "changed" man. Rather they blame his then 13 year old victim. SHE entrapped him. SHE used him. SHE enticed him, etc.

THAT is a problem for me, and a big one.

I will not be providing links. The comments I refer to were under news articles within the first few months of this case once the family connection to this person was known. But I know what I read. I checked out the sources of the comments at the time and they were indeed who they said they were (shame on them BTW), associates of this man's.

Those comments did not achieve the desired results if the point was for people to move on beyond this man's past. They showed that his friends, at least those particular ones whose comments I read, are still in denial that he did anything wrong or that it was a BIG deal.

A grown man having sex with a 13 year old girl is rape, end of story.

People can justify this sort of thing somehow, look at Jerry Lee Lewis and Bill Wyman. :dunno:

"He hasn't reoffended for 30 years" means he just hasn't been caught.

 

[cindersoot]

Me too SS. I feel much better knowing that this case isn't cold. But when he says leads are coming in every week, it makes me wonder, because I was hoping they already have a suspect and they are watching and waiting for him to screw up. But if he means the case isn't cold, only because there are leads still coming in, that kinda bothers me. IDK

 

[B4igo2it]

Please do NOT get me wrong here - I despise a sex offender past and present. Their victims are victims then and now and will be for the rest of their life.
My concern is whether or not a person continues to be a threat to society and if we should allow that person to make amends for the wrongs they have done.
I know a wonderful person that did a terrible thing four decades ago; and although I cannot forget what he did I can embrace all that he has become since he had that last drink of alcohol. I firmly believe if he had not been drunk, he would not have done that awful thing.
I hate what alcohol and drugs do to people. I believe people do things out of the ordinary while under the influence. Five years ago, I lost a best friend of mine. I no longer know him, since he and crack or meth or whatever it is that has taken over his life were introduced to one another. I sure do miss this friend and hope and pray HE gets his act together. I know he is capable of being a good person once the drugs are out of his system because I knew him once before when they were not a part of his life.

 

[tlcya]

I hear you B4

And I do believe one bad act does not define someone forever. But in order for that not to happen, the person must own the bad act, change the life they were leading during the bad act, and make amends if possible.

Who knows, maybe this park is part of that. I just really got angry with those who wanted to continue, even after all these years, bashing and blaming the victim of that person's crime. That didn't seem to indicate a changed person. It suggested to me a "get over it, he was not the problem" attitude by those around him.

 

[Marilynilpa]

Please do NOT get me wrong here - I despise a sex offender past and present. Their victims are victims then and now and will be for the rest of their life.
My concern is whether or not a person continues to be a threat to society and if we should allow that person to make amends for the wrongs they have done.
I know a wonderful person that did a terrible thing four decades ago; and although I cannot forget what he did I can embrace all that he has become since he had that last drink of alcohol. I firmly believe if he had not been drunk, he would not have done that awful thing.
I hate what alcohol and drugs do to people. I believe people do things out of the ordinary while under the influence. Five years ago, I lost a best friend of mine. I no longer know him, since he and crack or meth or whatever it is that has taken over his life were introduced to one another. I sure do miss this friend and hope and pray HE gets his act together. I know he is capable of being a good person once the drugs are out of his system because I knew him once before when they were not a part of his life.

I, for one, haven't interpreted your posts as being "pro-child molester". You make a good point about people sometimes changing their lives and making amends for their prior past deeds.

 

[Marilynilpa]

I hear you B4

And I do believe one bad act does not define someone forever. But in order for that not to happen, the person must own the bad act, change the life they were leading during the bad act, and make amends if possible.

Who knows, maybe this park is part of that. I just really got angry with those who wanted to continue, even after all these years, bashing and blaming the victim of that person's crime. That didn't seem to indicate a changed person. It suggested to me a "get over it, he was not the problem" attitude by those around him.

I agree with you about the attitude towards this man's past behavior. It bothers me, too.

 

[tlcya]

Me too SS. I feel much better knowing that this case isn't cold. But when he says leads are coming in every week, it makes me wonder, because I was hoping they already have a suspect and they are watching and waiting for him to screw up. But if he means the case isn't cold, only because there are leads still coming in, that kinda bothers me. IDK

He told you all he is comfortable saying publicly. I don't think the leads coming in thing is cause for concern. Even if they did have a POI, he would never ever say such a thing in his response to you MOO. So he gave the canned "leads continue to come in, etc etc" business.

Take heart. At least he responded. And I appreciate you reaching out to him and him taking the time to respond.

 

[SapphireSteel]

There's a couple of things that just aren't sitting right and this "friendship" is one of them.

 

[Squeeze]

I forgave my abuser. I remain convinced he never abused before and he never abused again. Would he have continued without intervention? I have no doubt he would.

Tough questions you ask. I guess my problem with this man, given my own unique situation, is that his friends, to this day, publicly comment when this is brought up. Their comments do not reflect a "changed" man. Rather they blame his then 13 year old victim. SHE entrapped him. SHE used him. SHE enticed him, etc.

THAT is a problem for me, and a big one.

I will not be providing links. The comments I refer to were under news articles within the first few months of this case once the family connection to this person was known. But I know what I read. I checked out the sources of the comments at the time and they were indeed who they said they were (shame on them BTW), associates of this man's.

Those comments did not achieve the desired results if the point was for people to move on beyond this man's past. They showed that his friends, at least those particular ones whose comments I read, are still in denial that he did anything wrong or that it was a BIG deal.

I sincerely doubt that those comments were made by "friends".

 

[Squeeze]

I recieved a response this morning from Tony Thompson. Here is what it said.

The memorial is getting press attention .... the investigation is not. This is intentional. This is by no means a cold case, and leads continue to be followed weekly. I can tell you nothing more to preserve the integrity of the investigation. Just because we are not saying anything doesn't mean we aren't doing anything, and the public opinion takes a back seat to the security of this investigation. Sorry Tony.

I asked a question of Tony Thompson a while back. I think it was.related to where the bodies were located. I was told that I was asking the wrong department, and that the Evansdale PD would be the one to ask. I thought this was odd, since Rick Abben is a deputy under Ton Thompson. Anyway, I too like his answer. Ive never doubted it.

 

[Marilynilpa]

I wonder if Misty, Tammy or Wylma attended the concert yesterday?

Given that they seem to have decided to keep a low profile, they probably decided not to participate. JMO.

 

[Marilynilpa]

Wow!!!

Thanks cinder, that is the most encouraging thing I've heard for months now!

"This is intentional". This language tells me that somehow this memorial is significant somehow to their investigation.

Maybe there is someone involved in the Memorial who is being investigated...?

Maybe LE are watching someone, to see what they will do next?

:websleuther:

I took the "this is intentional" comment to mean that LE is happy to let the memorial take the spotlight while they continue to work quietly behind the scenes. JMO.

 

[Squeeze]

https://www.facebook.com/DesMoinesRegister?filter=2

This is a direct link to the Des Moines Register FB page.

Apparently Heather (or moreso Drew) thinks it's funny that people are upset about the complete scalping of Meyer's Lake.

Heather received a "surprise" cake from Buzz Anderson whom she is friends with and made these comments regarding the trees on the cake on her FB page.

http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2ymsgfb&s=6

People are very concerned about the Collins' connection to Mr. Anderson and his funding of Angel's Park.

Those comments made about the trees really leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

I don't get this?? You cant read this entire post, and I don't see it on her facebook wall.

Buzz can be very generous. He has no heirs. He needs something to support. As digusting as this all was 30 years ago, I have heard nothing more since. I don't think there is a coverup. He has friends, but honestly, I don't think they are THAT good of friends to pull a major cover up like covering up pedophelia. People don't fall at his feet because he has money. He puts full page ads in the paper on his mothers birthday to honor her, even after she died a few years ago. He is an odd man, but I really don't think hes dangerous.

 

[Squeeze]

I took the "this is intentional" comment to mean that LE is happy to let the memorial take the spotlight while they continue to work quietly behind the scenes. JMO.

I agree.