IA IA - Elizabeth Collins, 8, & Lyric Cook, 10, Evansdale, 13 July 2012 - #32

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  • #381
Sorry all, newish to this thread, ( tks foxfire) but why so long for a COD on these girls?



SCHMAE, imo and from my observations, the Black Hawk Sheriff's Department adheres to the antiquated close to the vest silence & misinformation strategy.

This strategy squanders their most valuable investigative resource and only causes innocent victim lives lost and mounting cold cases. This tragic consequence has been witnessed in the Elizabeth Collins & Lyric Cook abduction investigation, imo..
 
  • #382
Klunder was convicted of assaulting a young woman. He served a prison sentence. How could anyone have predicted that he would murder a teenage girl after release from prison?

Is the criticism of the legal system that it has failed to execute any person that has assaulted another person? I don't understand the criticism of a legal system that released a man from prison after he served his sentence. It sounds like it was all by the book ... which means that there are many other people like him in Iowa - not all of whom go on to murder a teenager.


Otto, MK didn't assault only one woman, but demonstrated obvious traits and had a very long and violent history of deviant predatory behavior from a very early age. It should have been obvious that he would be a recidivist predator if released into society, imo..

Klunder's first victim says Klunder demonstrated violence early
http://globegazette.com/news/local/...11e2-b7e0-0019bb2963f4.html?mobile_touch=true
 
  • #383
Believe it or not, but there was only one female child murdered in Iowa in 2010. 34 girls murdered between 2000-2010 in Iowa. 3 of those girls were murdered by strangers.

http://projects.wsj.com/murderdata
 
  • #384
SCHMAE, imo and from my observations, the Black Hawk Sheriff's Department adheres to the antiquated close to the vest silence & misinformation strategy.

This strategy squanders their most valuable investigative resource and only causes innocent victim lives lost and mounting cold cases. This tragic consequence has been witnessed in the Elizabeth Collins & Lyric Cook abduction investigation, imo..

But I'm sure on the other thread ( kathlynns ) I saw an article whre LE in L&L's case said, they would know within the week if Klunder was involved in this case and that has been about 2 weeks ago, I believe.
 
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"Interesting, although MJK possessed a gun(Felon) during the Dayton, Iowa abductions, he opted to use a ruse to lure the two girls".. This indicates calculation and manipulation, imo. The firearm was to control the girls, once inside the truck, imo.
If not for the quick thinking of the victim that escaped. MJK would still be preying on other unsuspecting victims, imo. Stranger abductions are the most difficult for investigators to solve and he would have continued his evil deeds until captured...

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/VideoNetwork/2405588905001/Kidnapped-girl-shares-her-escape-story

Kidnapped girl shares her escape story

'HE(MJK) left the Gun on the floor, so I grabbed the Gun and ran outside in the woods and hid'..
 
  • #387
They should know by now if Klunder is involved I just think the constant chirp of crickets in this case is maddening.
 
  • #388
Klunder is probably one of the easiest criminals to predict committing more crimes. He didn't just "assault" someone. He is a sex offender who has kidnapped multiple people and has a long history of sexual violence. Violent sexual criminals have very high recidivism rates. One of my professors explained it like that urge never goes away. You don't go to some classes and stop wanting to violently rape people. Long criminal history of sexual violence and kidnapping which includes strangling a three year old and trying to murder someone when he was 16? That, to me, is shrieking I will commit another crime and since he was already cool with kidnapping and attempted murder than actual murder doesn't seem like that crazy of a step.
It irks me more than anything else that he served less than half his original sentence.
I mean, I see why it is problematic though. If we did lock up violent sex offenders for life, then our prisons would be PACKED and it would probably cost a lot of money. We only have so much space and so much money to dedicate to jailing these people. I understand the logistical issues. The trade-off for not being able to imprison them is a lot more victims though because violent sex offenders often violently offend again. So, sometimes women, men, and small children and babies are violently attacked, raped, kidnapped, have their lives torn apart, or even have their lives taken from them, but hey, that sure beats having to build more prisons!!

I am anxious to see if there is a connection. It is curious that he seemed to prefer kidnapping two at a time.
 
  • #389
Klunder isn't the only perp who has kidnapped two at a time. I'm a die hard crime fan, and have watched and read tons of cases where the kidnapper took his victims in twos.
 
  • #390
They should know by now if Klunder is involved I just think the constant chirp of crickets in this case is maddening.

Clearly there's no smoking gun.
 
  • #391
Otto, MK didn't assault only one woman, but demonstrated obvious traits and had a very long and violent history of deviant predatory behavior from a very early age. It should have been obvious that he would be a recidivist predator if released into society, imo..

Klunder's first victim says Klunder demonstrated violence early
http://globegazette.com/news/local/...11e2-b7e0-0019bb2963f4.html?mobile_touch=true

As an adult, he was convicted of assaulting the 21 year old and abducting two three year olds that were found unharmed. Are there additional convictions on record for the "deviant behavior from a very early age"?

"The 3-year-old girls were later found alive and unharmed in a trash can in Northwood about 50 miles from Charles City. He pleaded guilty to two counts of third-degree kidnapping and willful injury in that case."

Read more: http://www.kcci.com/news/central-io...20236910/-/3c05omz/-/index.html#ixzz2Vq1UjiCj

ETA: thanks for the above link about Klunder's history
 
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As an adult, he was convicted of assaulting the 21 year old and abducting two three year olds that were found unharmed. Are there additional convictions on record for the "deviant behavior from a very early age"?

"The 3-year-old girls were later found alive and unharmed in a trash can in Northwood about 50 miles from Charles City. He pleaded guilty to two counts of third-degree kidnapping and willful injury in that case."

Read more: http://www.kcci.com/news/central-io...20236910/-/3c05omz/-/index.html#ixzz2Vq1UjiCj

ETA: thanks for the above link about Klunder's history

ShyViolet posted this upthread in regards to the twins. ty SV.


"Klunder put the girls into a trunk and drove them to a secluded area in Northwood, about 50 miles away, and left them in a trash bin. A county worker found the girls alive hours later. A doctor later found that one girl had been choked."

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http://wcfcourier.com/news/local/new...9bb2963f4.html

I can't get past kidnapping two 3 years old and taking them 50 miles away, let alone having choked one of them...
 
  • #393
LE should have known about this guy, there is no excuse.

At all.

:twocents:
 
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From the article:

Among other cases, he has supervised the investigation into the abduction and slaying of two young cousins who vanished while riding bikes last year in Evansdale and were found dead in a wildlife reserve in December.

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"There are a number of extremely talented investigators within the DCI. We're doing all we can" to follow leads in the death of the cousins, 10-year-old Lyric Cook and 8-year-old Elizabeth Collins, Hansen said.
 
  • #396
LE should have known about this guy, there is no excuse.

At all.

:twocents:

A former LE officer was very aware of Klunder and was the first person he thought of when he heard about L&L.... he thought MJK was still in prison and so he did not call the tip line. A real shame...

I think the fact MJK's ex-wife and son changed their last names in order to hide from this creep after being warned he was getting out was a huge red flag he was a clear and present danger to the public once released. Also, ex-wife obtained permanent restraining order. . . hmmmmm! Seems the prison parole board would have considered this before they released this monster into society.
 
  • #397
A former LE officer was very aware of Klunder and was the first person he thought of when he heard about L&L.... he thought MJK was still in prison and so he did not call the tip line. A real shame...

I think the fact MJK's ex-wife and son changed their last names in order to hide from this creep after being warned he was getting out was a huge red flag he was a clear and present danger to the public once released. Also, ex-wife obtained permanent restraining order. . . hmmmmm! Seems the prison parole board would have considered this before they released this monster into society.


A real Shame indeed, Bootsctr....MJK, was required to report in twice a year to the local Sheriff's Department as a sex offender. I am confident that others thought of MJK too when hearing of L & L's case, but due to perceived hypothesis and jurisdictional linkage blindness, failed to connect the dots or follow up on their natural instincts, imo..
 
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Curiouser and curiouser! Now not only do we have a state crime lab tech fired over errors that could affect L&L's case, the lead special agent in L&L's case being suspended...

"State investigators are still trying to determine just how many errors a fired lab technician made and how many criminal cases were affected.

A spokeswoman with the Division of Criminal Investigation said agents have already uncovered nine errors out of the last 60 cases the tech handled. All of the errors involved usable fingerprint evidence that was labeled as unsuitable for identification.

Jessica Lown said an internal quality control check caught the errors, and now investigators will go back as far as they have to into the fired employees 16 year career to see if there are more mistakes.

Defense attorney and Drake University professor Bob Rigg said crimes could have gone unsolved, or the wrong person could have been convicted because of the passed-over prints.

"For investigators, prosecutors and defense attorneys, they're going to go back and they're going to want to know who this individual was and what cases they worked on and whether or not that work could have affected the outcome of the case," Rigg said.

None of the affected cases so far are Polk County cases. But Sheriff's department spokeswoman Sgt. Jana Rooker said even if they were, fingerprints are probably not the only evidence investigators have against a suspect.

"Doesn't seem like it would make or break a case," Rooker said. "It could be just one piece of many pieces of evidence against a suspect. I believe that all it would really do is eliminate someone or positively identify them." http://www.kcci.com/news/central-io...18107780/-/vklortz/-/index.html#ixzz2Lsen3asD

Just my opinion, but I think a fingerprint would be very important in eliminating someone or positively identifying them in L&L's case. Guess my priorities must be out of whack (sarcasm intended). :stormingmad:
 
  • #399
Sorry all, newish to this thread, ( tks foxfire) but why so long for a COD on these girls?

Very good question!

I have wondered if it's because of the condition of the girls' remains. The only other thing I can think of is that maybe the COD is really strange or unusual and they think it could somehow hurt the case to release the info.

Nothing's been said that I know of, these are just the only things I can come up with that make any sense to me in terms of why nothing's been released yet.
 
  • #400
Very good question!

I have wondered if it's because of the condition of the girls' remains. The only other thing I can think of is that maybe the COD is really strange or unusual and they think it could somehow hurt the case to release the info.

Nothing's been said that I know of, these are just the only things I can come up with that make any sense to me in terms of why nothing's been released yet.

I think the condition of the remains made it impossible to determine the COD. I also think no useful DNA was found.
 
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