IA IA - Elizabeth Collins, 8, & Lyric Cook, 10, Evansdale, 13 July 2012 - #32

[georger]

I have three daughters. This whole pageant thing is everything I did not want them to learn as young women. I wanted them to participate in sports and learn the values of fair play and be part of a team. I wanted them to understand that they are strong, capable women who can do anything a man can do and do not need to rely on their looks. Have you seen the prom dresses lately? MY GOD. How did we get here. I had a friend who's daugther is thirteen. She is a beautiful girl. She was in a skin tight dress falling a little below her butt. It was obscene. Her mother says "well she just has that beautiful figure". I suppose at 13 that is true, however, at 13 we don't need to see every curve on body. It is salacious. It is asking for unwanted attention for all the wrong reasons.

Im sorry but what in HXXX is the matter with these people!

'Grandpa would take those people out to the barn for a talkin!'

 

[Dr. Know?]

BBM- I had previously posted a msm article that stated Michael Klunder had gun in his possession during the Dayton abductions of Kathlynn and her 12-year-old friend. This article states that it was not a gun but was actually a "lethal weapon" used to euthanize livestock..
MJK; a convicted felon knew that if he was stopped by police in a routine traffic stop with a firearm in his possession. He would be returned to prison. Predators are very calculating...


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/23/michael-klunder-kidnapping_n_3327303.html
Kathlynn and her 12-year-old friend were kidnapped while walking home from school in Dayton, a rural area about 60 miles north of Des Moines. The two had just stepped off their school bus when the suspect, Michael Klunder, lured them into his truck by offering to pay them for mowing lawns and to give them a ride home so they could ask their parents, Kietzman said.

Instead, he took them to a hog confinement building where he worked and tied the girls' hands with zip ties at an office inside the building. During the kidnapping, Klunder displayed what appeared to be a gun but was actually a "lethal weapon" used to euthanize livestock, Kietzman said.

I thought we knew it was one of these a while back? That it wasn't a gun but a captive bolt gun? Thanks for the correction though. I've read gun and for some reason knew it was possibly one of these used (link below) on livestock as someone posted about them. It's a deadly weapon though. thx Fox.

Everything you wanted to know and didn't...

http://www.pork.org/filelibrary/Factsheets/Well-Being/CaptiveBolt.pdf

 

[Sin City]

Awesome article Foxfire! Thank you for sharing this! This information is so right on...I know it, as I've experienced these monsters terror.

Interesting and revealing read, imo..
(snipped & BBM-read more)

http://www.courseweb.uottawa.ca/PSY...ationship between Psychopathy and Deviant.pdf

The Relationship of Deviant Sexual Arousal and Psychopathy in Incest
Offenders, Extrafamilial Child Molesters and Rapists

In sexual offending
populations, the prevalence of psychopathy appears to be particularly high among
offenders designated as “sexually dangerous” by the courts. Psychopathic sexual
offenders show higher recidivism rates, and tend to recidivate more quickly than non
psychopathic sexual offenders.12 Most dangerous of all are the psychopaths sexually
aroused by violence..

Incest perpetrators, tend to be older since, as a group, their sexual offenses are
more opportunistic in nature. They do not offend until after they are married and have
children. On the other hand child molesters, who tend to be more sexually aroused to
children than incest offenders, tend to be more predatory in their offense patterns and
therefore often are younger when they start their sexual offenses.

The findings suggest that there is a significant relationship between deviant sexual
arousal and psychopathy in extra-familial child molesters. Research has established that
deviant arousal is predictive of sexual re-offense among child molesters, and
psychopathy predicts sexual and violent recidivism.

 

[Sin City]

I highly doubt that a psychopathic sexual predator can be cured either. I've had intense psychological treatment for PTSD and Depression, and EMDR Therapy has been very successful in my situation. I waited years for therapy, and this is something I regret.

I wish that the authorities would look at my abuser for each and every one of the rape, abduction, molestation, and murder cases in the area of NE/IA. He has never been caught for his sexual sadism/predatory nature. He has a rap sheet a mile long with extremely violent offenses, and second degree murder of a young woman in the 60s.

I give my tips and statements to LE, and he's still free to roam around. I don't get it! :banghead:

Very interesting stuff. Makes perfect sense. I have always thought (as a victim of incest) that is far less about the attraction to a child and much more about the control. Or so it seemed so in my case. It was 40 years ago now and I have developed a rather cllinical view of the whole thing and so it is not painful to discuss. Perhaps this type is not necessarily attracted to children but rather is in a scenario where they have the opportunity and power. However, if one is attracted to children they will never, ever be changed.

 

[Dr. Know?]

I highly doubt that a psychopathic sexual predator can be cured either. I've had intense psychological treatment for PTSD and Depression, and EMDR Therapy has been very successful in my situation. I waited years for therapy, and this is something I regret.

I wish that the authorities would look at my abuser for each and every one of the rape, abduction, molestation, and murder cases in the area of NE/IA. He has never been caught for his sexual sadism/predatory nature. He has a rap sheet a mile long with extremely violent offenses, and second degree murder of a young woman in the 60s.

I give my tips and statements to LE, and he's still free to roam around. I don't get it! :banghead:

Big hug Sin C..

Sounds like a time bomb waithing to happen ?

 

[Sin City]

The laws have to change on a number of areas. The statute of limitations needs to be changed for one regarding abuse. One doesn't consider justice unless one has family support or a therapist's support. In my case I was in my 30s, and the statute had expired. To add to the delay a psychopath threatens entire families with death, and one fully knows he's capable of following through on these threats.
Domestic violence laws need to change also. They have over the years, but more needs to be done. A majority of psychopaths are also perpetrators of domestic violence. Just look at our 'Cleveland House of Horrors' monster to have evidence of this. I don't know how the hell he got away with the extreme violent beatings he gave his common law wife. The DA needs to press charges in all these cases without dropping the charges when the victim doesn't show up in court. The victim is terrified of this monster's behavior. Knowing that he's going to find a way to inflict further violence in any possible way he can. If this monster isn't placed in jail for the duration of the trial he will attack his victim again.

 

[alliemay]

I wonder if Elizabeth had a heart condition like her mom? Sometimes those things run in families.

 

[cindersoot]

No word yet as to if Klunder is a ?

 

[Foxfire]

No word yet as to if Klunder is a ?

Not verified yet if Klunder is responsible for L & L's abduction and murder, cindersoot. But I think we can all agree that Klunder is/was an evil ...

 

[Foxfire]

"Michael J. Klunder, was not the first, last, or only"...

RE: Quote by DAYTON, IA. — Police Chief Nick Dunbar; “You just sit down and in your mind try to put yourself in another person’s mind and say, ‘If I were to do this, where would I go? What would I do?’[/b] ” Dunbar explained. “You could spend hours trying to do that.”

'Chief Dunbar's statement of attempting to channel MJK is very interesting, imo'.. Retired FBI BAU profilers John Douglas, Roger L. Depue, and others have experienced this phenomenon and have written about their experiences entering into the minds of malignant serial killers, as well as their victims during investigations..

Due to sadistic psychopathic sexual predator & probable serial killer Michael J Klunder's three decades of violent deviant behavior escalation, evil, and variable victim profile.

The Iowa DCI must request the FBI BAU's resources and investigate MJK pre-birth. Imo, he is responsible for not only Elizabeth Collins and Lyric Cook, but other unknown innocent victims..
http://criminalminds.wikia.com/wiki/Roger_L._Depue
Roger L. Depue;
police chief, FBI SWAT team member, and founder of the noted forensics think tank; The Academy Group. He was also the adviser of author Thomas Harris for his book Red Dragon and is co-author of the book Between Good and Evil..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_E._Douglas

John Edward Douglas (born June 18, 1945),[1] is a former special agent with the U.S. Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), one of the first criminal profilers, and criminal psychology author.
His books are considered to be some of the most insightful works written on the minds, motives, and operation of serial killers, and the methods and lives of those who track them

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/article/20130613/NEWS/306130101/1001/

Dayton settles into eerie calm after Kathlynn tragedy
(snipped & BBM for focus)

FBI agents took over the chief’s office, and, at any given time, 40 to 50 law enforcement officials were working in the small City Council chambers.

“You just sit down and in your mind try to put yourself in another person’s mind and say, ‘If I were to do this, where would I go? What would I do?’ ” Dunbar explained. “You could spend hours trying to do that.”

Each morning, he watched as officials took off to search new areas and re-search those they already had investigated. Then he waited for a phone call, hoping for good news. It never came.

They searched on horseback, by ATV and on foot. They combed through parts of rural Webster County, where the girls were abducted and Klunder’s body was found; Boone County, where the girls were taken and Hughes escaped; and Hamilton County, where Klunder lived.

The discovery of the girls’ backpacks on Kale Road in Fraser south of Dayton one day after they were abducted brought encouragement and a location to search more closely.

“Every situation that I know of like this has its own personality, so to speak. They aren’t all the same. You train for the general and you do the best you can.”

Authorities announced at a midnight news conference that fishermen had discovered the body in a logjam under the Kate Shelley High Bridge in Boone County, 15 to 20 miles downriver from where the Des Moines River passes east of Dayton.

State officials continue to look at whether Klunder may have been involved in any other unsolved missing persons cases.

They are looking closely at whether Klunder could be connected to the abduction and murder of two eastern Iowa cousins, Elizabeth Collins, 8, and Lyric Cook-Morrissey, 10, who disappeared July 13, 2012, while riding bikes in Evansdale. Their bodies were found by hunters Dec. 5 in a Bremer County wildlife area about 20 miles north of where they went missing

“If it does come out that way, I’d like to see it,” Stubbs said. “Otherwise, we still have someone who’s capable of this on the loose, in the public.”

 

[AmandaReckonwith]

No word yet as to if Klunder is a ?

We already know he's a !

But if they said he's a POI, I have no idea yet.

 

[Foxfire]

Experienced psychopathic sexual predators as was MJ Klunder, are very aware of the investigative strategies, forensics, and other procedures utilized by law enforcement to link their crimes. This is evidenced by his use of various rural jurisdictions, stranger victims, methods of abduction, pre-planned ritual grounds, varying victim disposal, abduction/rape kit, etc.
MJK, imo was very well versed, organized, and driven by drug induced fantasy and rage..

Heartless evil sociopaths such as MJK, who take pleasure from another human being's pain and the control of life and death over their victims, are masters of deception. Although low achievers, they are usually of higher intelligence, and in many cases hybrids of those past..


http://altoonaherald.desmoinesregis...will-look-links-other-cases?odyssey=topicpage
(snipped & BBM for focus)

Officials will look for links to other cases
They will attempt to determine if Klunder was involved in others

State investigators in coming months will conduct a painstaking examination of potential similarities between the kidnapping and murder of a Dayton teenager and missing person cases in Iowa, a state official said Monday.

Potential connections are already being analyzed between Kathlynn Shepard’s murder and the slayings of two eastern Iowa cousins.

“Thankfully, we know for every county, every city, what unsolved missing persons cases they have,” said Gerard Meyers, assistant director of field operations of the Iowa Division of Criminal Investigation. “We’ll want to look and see if there are any attributes from those cases that are at all consistent with this case.”

The analysis could, if warranted, go back years, Meyers said, including as far as Klunder’s boyhood.

 

[SapphireSteel]

We already know he's a !

But if they said he's a POI, I have no idea yet.

:floorlaugh:

If he was involved in L&L, we would know by now. :moo:

 

[cindersoot]

We already know he's a !

But if they said he's a POI, I have no idea yet.

Oops, lol I meant POI.:blushing:

 

[cindersoot]

:floorlaugh:

If he was involved in L&L, we would know by now. :moo:

SS do you really think so. I agree with you, I think we should of known by now.

 

[SapphireSteel]

Experienced psychopathic sexual predators as was MJ Klunder, are very aware of the investigative strategies, forensics, and other procedures utilized by law enforcement to link their crimes. This is evidenced by his use of various rural jurisdictions, stranger victims, methods of abduction, pre-planned ritual grounds, varying victim disposal, abduction/rape kit, etc.
MJK, imo was very well versed, organized, and driven by drug induced fantasy and rage..

Heartless evil sociopaths such as MJK, who take pleasure from another human being's pain and the control of life and death over their victims, are masters of deception. Although low achievers, they are usually of higher intelligence, and in many cases hybrids of those past..*snipped for space*

It's a massive leap to diagnose Klunder online as an "experienced psychopathic sexual predator".

As far as we know, Klunder has never raped anyone before, and (IMO) he almost certainly is not psychopathic. :waitasec:

We also do not know if L&L were sexually assaulted so there may be no connection whatsoever except Methtown type lifestyles.

Klunder was only ever a Level 2 RSO. :dunno: He kidnapped two tiny girls and clearly had no clue what to do with them, so he put them (unmolested) in a garbage bin! The act of a stupid, scattered, impulsive, angry man, not a psychopath. :cow:

 

[Snowbunny]

It's a massive leap to diagnose Klunder online as an "experienced psychopathic sexual predator".

As far as we know, Klunder has never raped anyone before, and (IMO) he almost certainly is not psychopathic. :waitasec:

We also do not know if L&L were sexually assaulted so there may be no connection whatsoever except Methtown type lifestyles.

Klunder was only ever a Level 2 RSO. :dunno: He kidnapped two tiny girls and clearly had no clue what to do with them, so he put them (unmolested) in a garbage bin! The act of a stupid, scattered, impulsive, angry man, not a psychopath. :cow:

If Klunder has never raped any of his victims then how the heck did this guy get put on the RSO Registery? To me the guy would just be an abductor/murderer, plain and simple, but not a RSO.

 

[SapphireSteel]

If Klunder has never raped any of his victims then how the heck did this guy get put on the RSO Registery? To me the guy would just be an abductor/murderer, plain and simple, but not a RSO.

You can be labelled an RSO for a lot of things, not just rape. Urinating in public, for instance.

That's why there are "tiers" of offending. Klunder was clearly convicted of some low tier offence only.

 

[Foxfire]

:floorlaugh:

If he was involved in L&L, we would know by now. :moo:

Actually, imo, the opposite is true, SapphireSteel... If other victims were tied to Klunder, the ramifications are huge. With FBI CODIS, BAU; National Center for the Analysis of Violent Crime and the many other advancements in investigative techniques & communication technology over the last three decades. One would think that a pattern would have been recognized long ago, which may have prevented the continuation of MJK's tragic trail of terror..imo When MJK was arrested in TX after the abduction of the two 3 year old girls and 21 year old Lori Rattay in 1991, he had a rope and bloody blanket in his possession. Doubtful, that the blood came from an accidental nosebleed, imo..

 

[Foxfire]

It's a massive leap to diagnose Klunder online as an "experienced psychopathic sexual predator".

As far as we know, Klunder has never raped anyone before, and (IMO) he almost certainly is not psychopathic. :waitasec:

We also do not know if L&L were sexually assaulted so there may be no connection whatsoever except Methtown type lifestyles.

Klunder was only ever a Level 2 RSO. :dunno: He kidnapped two tiny girls and clearly had no clue what to do with them, so he put them (unmolested) in a garbage bin! The act of a stupid, scattered, impulsive, angry man, not a psychopath. :cow:

Massive leap? Guess, time will tell, SapphireSteel. BTK; Dennis Rader didn't have intercourse with his many victims. He masterbated.. Sexual predators motives, sexual desires, and fantasies are as diverse as their MOs and signatures. Their desires become even more deviant as they escalate to include necrophillia; thanatophilia or necrolagnia, due to the sexual attraction to corpses as in Ted Bundy's case..