IA IA - Elizabeth Collins, 8, & Lyric Cook, 10, Evansdale, 13 July 2012 - #32

[Foxfire]

But Klunder has only killed one child...? (That we know of) Also Kathlynn did not resemble a child, at least to me.

And his skills weren't "escalating", if they were D would not have gotten away.

The reason Bundy was so "successful" is that he was clever, calculating, and he kept moving.

Blunder Klunder was none of these things. :moo:

RE: But Klunder has only killed one child...? (That we know of)

SapphireSteel, in one previous msm article, it stated that when MJ Klunder was arrested in TX, for the 1992 Iowa abductions. There was a rope and blanket with blood stains on them found among his personal items...
Doubt we will ever know how many unknown victims MJK had...

 

[SapphireSteel]

RE: But Klunder has only killed one child...? (That we know of)

SapphireSteel, in one previous msm article, it stated that when MJ Klunder was arrested in TX, for the 1992 Iowa abductions. There was a rope and blanket with blood stains on them found among his personal items...
Doubt we will ever know how many unknown victims MJK had...

Thanks. Do you have a link? TIA.

 

[Dr. Know?]

Here's the article.

Inside Dayton kidnapping suspect's 'delusional' past

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Four months later, he abducted a 21-year-old woman and then, the next day, kidnapped two 3-year-old children he eventually threw into a Dumpster.

The three victims survived, and Klunder fled to Florida, then to Texas, before being apprehended at a bus station in Houston. Authorities searched his car and amid McDonald’s wrappers, clothing and road maps, they found a length of rope, a blood-stained quilt, “Playboy’s Book of Lingerie” and Klunder’s self-help books

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/ar...e-Dayton-kidnapping-suspect-s-delusional-past

 

[Marilynilpa]

This article talks about Klunder and criminal justice issues:

http://www.press-citizen.com/articl...0012/Must-logical-when-comes-emotional-issues

 

[SapphireSteel]

Here's the article.

Inside Dayton kidnapping suspect's 'delusional' past

snipped

Four months later, he abducted a 21-year-old woman and then, the next day, kidnapped two 3-year-old children he eventually threw into a Dumpster.

The three victims survived, and Klunder fled to Florida, then to Texas, before being apprehended at a bus station in Houston. Authorities searched his car and amid McDonald’s wrappers, clothing and road maps, they found a length of rope, a blood-stained quilt, “Playboy’s Book of Lingerie” and Klunder’s self-help books

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/ar...e-Dayton-kidnapping-suspect-s-delusional-past

Sad and delusional all right.

We can all agree, it is a monumental **** up that Klunder's name did not come up in the original investigation, considering his background.

I still can't see a serial killer though, or even a rapist. :dunno:

 

[Foxfire]

Sad and delusional all right.

We can all agree, it is a monumental **** up that Klunder's name did not come up in the original investigation, considering his background.

I still can't see a serial killer though, or even a rapist. :dunno:

SapphireSteel. one could not write a better script for a serial killer in training than MJ Klunder's progression from adolescence into adulthood, imo.. Imo, he should have been on the radar in the L & L investigation from the very first day, if not before...

As in the Mickey Shunick investigation, it seems that RSO's are only focused on in the immediate area of the abduction; within 5 or 10 miles out, imo. Tier3 RSO Brandon S Lavergne lived approximately 20 miles from Mickey's abduction location. If not for awareness, public tips, and a competent investigation, imo, serial killer BSL would still be actively hunting his prey. Instead, he is serving LWOP in Angola St. Prison..

I would like to know more details of this crime by MJ Klunder; 'accused of an attempted sexual assault that resulted in convictions for assault with injury and attempted burglary'..



http://www.desmoinesregister.com/ar...ping-suspect-s-delusional-past?nclick_check=1
(snipped & BBM)

There were other self-help books, too — some of them indicating Klunder was leading a life other than the ideal one he imagined for himself. One was “Mood Control,” a book that promised to enhance one’s “sexual capabilities” while helping control anger and rage. He also had a copy of “Dr. Ruth’s Guide for Married Lovers.”

Klunder was 20 years old at the time and had already been in and out of behavior-treatment centers and jail. His first encounter with the law was in 1986, around the time of his 16th birthday, when he allegedly pistol-whipped a female classmate.

The 15-year-old girl was reportedly assaulted while delivering the Mason City Globe Gazette, which later reported the alleged attack. Klunder had allegedly forced the girl into a public restroom near a baseball diamond, then hit her several times in the head with a pistol he was carrying.

The girl’s parents told the Globe-Gazette their daughter dragged herself home — a distance of roughly four blocks — where she was later found in a pool of blood.

Klunder was charged with intent to commit sexual abuse and was adjudicated as a delinquent. But within two years, he was again in trouble — accused of an attempted sexual assault that resulted in convictions for assault with injury and attempted burglary. He was sentenced to five years in prison, but was paroled and then discharged from the corrections system in August 1991.

Four months later, he abducted a 21-year-old woman and then, the next day, kidnapped two 3-year-old children he eventually threw into a Dumpster.

The three victims survived, and Klunder fled to Florida, then to Texas, before being apprehended at a bus station in Houston. Authorities searched his car and amid McDonald’s wrappers, clothing and road maps, they found a length of rope, a blood-stained quilt, “Playboy’s Book of Lingerie” and Klunder’s self-help books.


Ted Bundy's Last Interview
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=Vlk_sRU49TI

 

[maureen718]

IMO the fact DH escaped doesn't mean Klunder got sloppy, I think it is a miracle that was meant to happen that she escaped!!! To me, she had some sort of universal forces guiding her from her peril so she could live a longer life!!
I also wonder if she has said something to LE that Klunder said that leads to the statement Heather made. Possibly that is why LE would have to find the connection and not already have evidence.

 

[Foxfire]

IMO the fact DH escaped doesn't mean Klunder got sloppy, I think it is a miracle that was meant to happen that she escaped!!! To me, she had some sort of universal forces guiding her from her peril so she could live a longer life!!
I also wonder if she has said something to LE that Klunder said that leads to the statement Heather made. Possibly that is why LE would have to find the connection and not already have evidence.

maureen718, I agree..Whether it was divine intervention, a miracle, or simply DH's life purpose being realized at a very young age.. I believe there is a reason for the seasons..
After following missing/murdered investigations for awhile. I've noticed many cases where the victim brings down the predator; good triumphing over evil..

 

[Dr. Know?]

This is a good read about serial murderers by the FBI. How they are identified & linked to other murders. It's long but informative. My apologies if it's been linked alreay.

Behavioral Analysis Unit-2
National Center for the Analysis of Violent Crime
Critical Incident Response Group
Federal Bureau of Investigation


http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/serial-murder

 

[Marilynilpa]

The majority of serial killers are not reclusive, social misfits who live alone. They are not monsters and may not appear strange. Many serial killers hide in plain sight within their communities. Serial murderers often have families and homes, are gainfully employed, and appear to be normal members of the community. Because many serial murderers can blend in so effortlessly, they are oftentimes overlooked by law enforcement and the public.

http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/serial-murder

I feel some of the serial killer info being shared on this thread is inaccurate. I think the FBI info I've linked can clear up a lot of that misinformation.

I still maintain that comparing the actions/behaviors of various serial killers to the actions/behaviors of a child abduction murderer is counterproductive and does nothing to figure out who killed to our girls.

There is zero evidence that a serial killer took the girls; there is no evidence Klunder took the girls; and there is no evidence Klunder was a serial killer.

JMO

For those interested in talking about serial killers, we have a thread for that which you might like to participate in: Serial Killers - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community


ETA: It looks like Dr. Know? and I are both reading the same FBI document!

 

[Marilynilpa]

This is a good read about serial murderers by the FBI. How they are identified & linked to other murders. It's long but informative. My apologies if it's been linked alreay.

Behavioral Analysis Unit-2
National Center for the Analysis of Violent Crime
Critical Incident Response Group
Federal Bureau of Investigation


http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/serial-murder

I found that to be interesting.

IMO, it's also interesting that the FBI has a separate Behavioral Analysis Unit for crimes against children. Further proof to me that those crimes are unique behaviorally from crimes against adults.

 

[SapphireSteel]

While we're sharing resources, this is the blueprint for conducting a missing child investigation.

This is the SOP for LE around the world. I think we can assume it was followed to the T in Evansdale.

Note all bases are covered, investigation wise. No stone is to be left unturned, no assumptions made, no room for "Perceived Hypothesis".

http://www.scribd.com/doc/51536616/FBI-Child-Abduction-Response-Plan

 

[SapphireSteel]

Join me in a prayer, I am going to pray that LE get the break they need.

lease:

This case has got us all on a knife edge.

 

[Marilynilpa]

Join me in a prayer, I am going to pray that LE get the break they need.

lease:

This case has got us all on a knife edge.

I completely agree! It's been almost a year, and I've been trying to hold on to my faith that LE has a suspect in their sights. But as time goes on, I worry that they're no closer to solving this case than they were on July 13.

If they do have a suspect in mind but need evidence to charge him, I hope they get that evidence soon!

 

[SCHMAE]

lease: The ONLY ' good' ( poor use of the word) that can come from this case is to find peace for other families that he victimized as well in the past. Like most of you , I have no doubt he has other victims. It's just a matter of time. That may be why the LE in L&L's case is stalling on releasing. They may be sifting over scores of similar cold cases in the area and even surrounding states and trying to trace his whereabouts when NOT in prison.

 

[Squeeze]

Heather just posted a picture of Lyrics headstone. She is buried somewhat near Elizabeth. Beautiful headstone, similar to Elizabeth's. RIP girls.

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[Foxfire]

Imo, investigators may or not have had a suspect in mind since July 13, 2012, which ironically, happens to be my birthday. With the resources brought in such as the FBI BAU3 CARD team; http://www2.fbi.gov/card/, L & L's primary abductor/murderer suspect RSO M. J. Klunder, should have been in their sights very early on, if not before imo.

There are at least 3 other cold cases of missing females within MJK's geographical hunting area, imo.

http://www.kcrg.com/news/local/Poli...vansdale-Abductions-Connection-212170001.html

Investigators said three girls, Lyric Cook and Elizabeth Collins from Evansdale and Kathlynn Shepard from Dayton, died. The fourth girl, Dezi Hughes, managed to escape the Dayton kidnapping.

"We would still be looking for them, I believe. And we wouldn't know who, what, when, why or how," said Hughes' mother, Jeanette Andrews. “And (Klunder would have) moved on to the next set. I don't think he was ever going to stop."

http://www.kcrg.com/news/local/Poli...vansdale-Abductions-Connection-212170001.html

Heather Collins, the mother and aunt of the abducted Evansdale cousins, truly hopes there is a connection.

"He could be the guy," Collins said. "He knew Waverly pretty well. We're just waiting on the authorities to do their job -- FBI, DCI and police."

 

[SpringThyme]

Imo, investigators may or not have had a suspect in mind since July 13, 2012, which ironically, happens to be my birthday. With the resources brought in such as the FBI BAU3 CARD team; http://www2.fbi.gov/card/, L & L's primary abductor/murderer suspect RSO M. J. Klunder, should have been in their sights very early on, if not before imo.

There are at least 3 other cold cases of missing females within MJK's geographical hunting area, imo.

http://www.kcrg.com/news/local/Poli...vansdale-Abductions-Connection-212170001.html

Investigators said three girls, Lyric Cook and Elizabeth Collins from Evansdale and Kathlynn Shepard from Dayton, died. The fourth girl, Dezi Hughes, managed to escape the Dayton kidnapping.

"We would still be looking for them, I believe. And we wouldn't know who, what, when, why or how," said Hughes' mother, Jeanette Andrews. “And (Klunder would have) moved on to the next set. I don't think he was ever going to stop."

http://www.kcrg.com/news/local/Poli...vansdale-Abductions-Connection-212170001.html

Heather Collins, the mother and aunt of the abducted Evansdale cousins, truly hopes there is a connection.

"He could be the guy," Collins said. "He knew Waverly pretty well. We're just waiting on the authorities to do their job -- FBI, DCI and police."

Which cold cases?

 

[Marilynilpa]

Here is a photo of Lyric's headstone:

https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/995675_621647451179766_399889185_n.jpg

Per Heather's FB page, it is located about "40 paces" from Elizabeth's.

 

[AmandaReckonwith]

Maryinilpa, did you take that picture? I want to add it to the case archive if I may.
I need to credit the person who took it. Thank you.