IA IA - Elizabeth Collins, 8, & Lyric Cook, 10, Evansdale, 13 July 2012 - #32

[tlcya]

I believe cindersoot linked an article which described the remains as partially decomposed in the last thread. I remember because she provided it for me when I was asking about if condition of remains had ever been confirmed. HTH If you search that thread using the term partially decomposed it should come up.

 

[SapphireSteel]

Thank you for whoever provided the link to Iowacoldcases.org.

I spent the day there yesterday.

This one stood out to me...a little girl murdered in small town Iowa, which was essentially covered up by everyone, including LE.

I have often wondered if a similar dynamic is at work in Evansdale...

In February 2010, Eileen and her brother established the “Valerie Peterson Memorial Justice Scholarship” at the Manson Northwest Webster Junior/Senior High School for a Manson high school student who planned to study and make a career in law enforcement, criminal forensics or law. The Petersons received no applications. Parents in a town where everyone knew everything but no one knew anything didn’t want to make waves or have their own children dredging up a community’s unfortunate past.

http://iowacoldcases.org/case-summaries/valerie-peterson/

This little girl's death was in 1971. Nearly 40 years later, the town still doesn't want to know. Shades of Evansdale....?

:stormingmad:

:cow:

 

[SapphireSteel]

The only way these laws are going to be tightened is if the public at large pressure their politicians.

Don't blame the government, LE, or even the judiciary. Laws are made by the people in a democracy. It is all our "fault", responsibility, whatever, including our unwillingness to pay taxes for jails or police or Child Abuse prevention or social programs to help those at risk.

If you vote, and strongly and consistently pressure your politicians for change, they're going to listen.

If you sit in your loungeroom complaining about the laws "they" have, you are only adding to the problem.

 

[Marilynilpa]

I believe cindersoot linked an article which described the remains as partially decomposed in the last thread. I remember because she provided it for me when I was asking about if condition of remains had ever been confirmed. HTH If you search that thread using the term partially decomposed it should come up.

I found a post from cinder, but it doesn't contain a link:

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Found Deceased IA - Elizabeth Collins, 8, and Lyric Cook, 10, Evansdale, 13 July 2012 - #31

 

[SapphireSteel]

I found a post from cinder, but it doesn't contain a link:

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Found Deceased IA - Elizabeth Collins, 8, and Lyric Cook, 10, Evansdale, 13 July 2012 - #31

IIRC, the article was an msm report by a journalist who had an opinion.

There was never any official comment on anything regarding the bodies.

I'll see if I can find it.

ETA: I found a recent post from Otto, there was a discussion on this recently regarding the decomposition or lack thereof. Otto said the families referred to the girls as "bones".

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Found Deceased IA - Elizabeth Collins, 8, and Lyric Cook, 10, Evansdale, 13 July 2012 - #24


Also found this, one of mine but relevant.


Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Found Deceased IA - Elizabeth Collins, 8, and Lyric Cook, 10, Evansdale, 13 July 2012 - #24

 

[Grainne Dhu]

Welcome back Grainne Dhu! Your input has been sorely missed by all! :seeya: I'm so glad you are feeling better. O/T, but I've been practicing some scent work with my beloved lab, Annie. She thought I was crazy at first (that is debatable), but once she got the hang of it, it was fascinating to watch her. She still acts kind of silly, but you're right 10 or 20 minutes of having her find hidden treats wears her out. Vet says she has to lose 20 lbs or I may lose her to heart disease. She's only 5 y/o so I appreciate your suggestion for getting her out there and doing something. She is the type of dog that seems to "need a job", if that makes sense. She will hardly leave my style and I really am kind of a cough potato - not good for my heart either. Sorry for the rambling. Again, welcome back! :rockon:

Thank you so much! And I'm glad to hear that Annie now has a job. You know, you can have her search for her meals and only feed part of them from her bowl. The reason you need to keep feeding from a bowl is that there are dogs who will stop eating from a bowl if they are used to getting all their food via doing scentwork for it. They actually prefer to work for a living!

And how this relates to WS and this case is that the more a mystery solver (professional or amateur) knows about scentwork, the more equipped they are to make an informed judgment about the significance of evidence found by a tracking dog.

And, sadly, there are a certain number of jerks who take advantage of tragedies like this to gain money or notoriety from a case via the fraudulent use of their own dog's so-called abilities. If you know the basics of what a dog can or cannot do, then you're less likely to be fooled by one of those vultures.

 

[Marilynilpa]

Michael Klunder timeline

http://globegazette.com/news/local/...cle_b448708a-db89-11e2-bf27-0019bb2963f4.html

 

[Marilynilpa]

For the crimes he committed in 1991, the state required Klunder to register as a sex offender. Marshall County Chief Jailer Steve Hoffman said Klunder was registered on Marshall County's sex offender registry from October 2010 to March 2011.

Records show Klunder was a second-tier sex offender since he was never convicted of sexually abusing a minor.

http://www.timesrepublican.com/page...er-Klunder-had-local-connection.html?nav=5005

 

[Foxfire]

Michael Klunder timeline

http://globegazette.com/news/local/...cle_b448708a-db89-11e2-bf27-0019bb2963f4.html

BBM
Thanx for sharing the timeline Marilynilpa.. Very interesting.. Seems MJK was given a pass by the Justice system many times.. The Feb. 24, 1992 — Change of venue on the kidnapping charges in the Charles City case is granted and trial moved from Floyd County to Bremer County. Seems that MJK was very vindictive, imo..
Surprised that many folks didn't bring up MJK's name as a POI when L & L first went missing. Changes of Venue are very rare.. Guess, as the retired LEO stated, 'I thought he was still in prison'..

Went over to the Globe Gazette facebook page..
https://www.facebook.com/mcglobegazette

Very interesting story posted concerning a cable TV repairman, a white van, and a puppy..and over reaction.. Folks in Iowa are very aware, as they should be imo, due to the L,L,K & D abductions, combined with the abduction yesterday of 8 yr old Charish Perriwinkle ar the Walmart in FL yesterday. We saw this hypervigilance in the Jessica Ridgeway(CO) abduction, as well as others..

 

[alliemay]

This is O/T but I find it strange that a TV show was filming the story about Johnny Gosch the day the girls went missing.

 

[Fukiyama]

In February 2010, Eileen and her brother established the “Valerie Peterson Memorial Justice Scholarship” at the Manson Northwest Webster Junior/Senior High School for a Manson high school student who planned to study and make a career in law enforcement, criminal forensics or law. The Petersons received no applications. Parents in a town where everyone knew everything but no one knew anything didn’t want to make waves or have their own children dredging up a community’s unfortunate past.

http://iowacoldcases.org/case-summaries/valerie-peterson/

WHOA! That is my mom's hometown where I spent A LOT of my childhood back in the 80s/early 90s. I never heard of this case. My uncle and his family attend Augustana. Jeez. I just sent my mom an email about this case.

 

[Foxfire]

This is O/T but I find it strange that a TV show was filming the story about Johnny Gosch the day the girls went missing.

Thirty years after missing child Johnny Gosch vanished, volunteers relive case

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/ar...-Johnny-Gosch-vanished-volunteers-relive-case

A group of old friends recently returned to the ground that connected them — the corner of 42nd Street and Marcourt Lane in West Des Moines where 12-year-old Johnny Gosch was last seen before he disappeared on a quiet Sunday morning 30 years ago.

Many in the group did not know each other before the boy went missing, and they lost touch with each other in the decades since. But for two years following Johnny’s disappearance on Sept. 5, 1982, they worked tirelessly to find the boy and bring him home to his family in West Des Monies.

For those who followed that case, news of the recent disappearance of two Iowa cousins was unsettling.

Both cases involved children doing the activities children are supposed to do without worry: Gosch was delivering newspapers around his neighborhood. Lyric Cook-Morrissey, 10, and Elizabeth Collins, now 9, who vanished from Evansdale on July 13, were riding their bicycles on a summer afternoon.
read more..

 

[B4igo2it]

another reason we have not heard anything on MJKs DNA results is because LE "MAY" be checking any connections with other cases. I also wonder if there is any restrictions as naming him as a POI to any cases with him unable to defend himself???
Re: Suicide - the thought of returning to prison was a very real possibility for him as his crime had a living witness. In previous cases, he may have believed he could outsmart LE and wouldn't get caught (mostly because the victim (s) are deceased). On the other hand, maybe the guilt was more than he could bear knowing he had gained the trust of his loved ones and again let them down ..... IMHO, doubtful - he is a coward! :stormingmad:

 

[georger]

IIRC, the article was an msm report by a journalist who had an opinion.

There was never any official comment on anything regarding the bodies.

I'll see if I can find it.

ETA: I found a recent post from Otto, there was a discussion on this recently regarding the decomposition or lack thereof. Otto said the families referred to the girls as "bones".

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Found Deceased IA - Elizabeth Collins, 8, and Lyric Cook, 10, Evansdale, 13 July 2012 - #24


Also found this, one of mine but relevant.


Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Found Deceased IA - Elizabeth Collins, 8, and Lyric Cook, 10, Evansdale, 13 July 2012 - #24

Thanks for this. It helps to keep updated and refreshed in basic info -

Evidently shoes (flip flops ?) were present? Clothing?

 

[georger]

It's not Klunder.

We would know by now :cow:

I would think so if there was any obvious evidence.

Back to square one.

:banghead:

 

[Foxfire]

<sniped and BBM>

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2012/12/11/missing-iowa-girls-bodies/1760869/
Abben of the Black Hawk County Sheriff's Department said in a news release Monday afternoon.

Abben said the confirmation is the only thing that has been released to authorities; a full report from the medical examiner's office will be forwarded to law enforcement after testing is complete.

The girls' bodies were found around 12:45 p.m. Wednesday by hunters at the Seven Bridges Wildlife Area in Bremer County, Iowa, about 25 miles north of Evansdale, where the girls were last seen alive.

Sheriff's deputies walked through parts of the 125-acre park last summer during the search for the girls, who disappeared July 13, said Bremer County Sheriff Dewey Hildebrandt. However, the girls' bodies were found in a remote area of Seven Bridges that is not directly accessible by vehicles, and it's unlikely authorities looked there, he said.

"You know, clearly if we would have felt that there was a chance something was out there we would have organized some things and gotten some people together," he said.

 

[georger]

<sniped and BBM>

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2012/12/11/missing-iowa-girls-bodies/1760869/
Abben of the Black Hawk County Sheriff's Department said in a news release Monday afternoon.

Abben said the confirmation is the only thing that has been released to authorities; a full report from the medical examiner's office will be forwarded to law enforcement after testing is complete.

The girls' bodies were found around 12:45 p.m. Wednesday by hunters at the Seven Bridges Wildlife Area in Bremer County, Iowa, about 25 miles north of Evansdale, where the girls were last seen alive.

Sheriff's deputies walked through parts of the 125-acre park last summer during the search for the girls, who disappeared July 13, said Bremer County Sheriff Dewey Hildebrandt. However, the girls' bodies were found in a remote area of Seven Bridges that is not directly accessible by vehicles, and it's unlikely authorities looked there, he said.

"You know, clearly if we would have felt that there was a chance something was out there we would have organized some things and gotten some people together," he said.

I don't understand the part about: the "remote area of Seven Bridges
that is not directly accessible by vehicles,"

Is he talking about the place where the girls were found?

I have no doubt they would have been out there IF they knew the girls were there.
Remote, no roads ... whatever.

 

[Dr. Know?]

I can't find how many deputies are in the Bremer Co. Sheriff's department. The population fluctuates from 23K up to almost 25K, via google. Anyone know how big the sheriff's department is?

I saw no problem with access to where the girl's were located as it was very dry then. Easy road from Readlyn. A truck wouldn't hurt either taking the dirt road back in the park. The road ended just about what a few hundred or so yards or or less from their location?

A few reporters and locals had traveled back there & posted/reported about it.

jmo

Vegitation probably was the problem, imo.

 

[margarita25]

Thirty years after missing child Johnny Gosch vanished, volunteers relive case

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/ar...-Johnny-Gosch-vanished-volunteers-relive-case

A group of old friends recently returned to the ground that connected them — the corner of 42nd Street and Marcourt Lane in West Des Moines where 12-year-old Johnny Gosch was last seen before he disappeared on a quiet Sunday morning 30 years ago.

Many in the group did not know each other before the boy went missing, and they lost touch with each other in the decades since. But for two years following Johnny’s disappearance on Sept. 5, 1982, they worked tirelessly to find the boy and bring him home to his family in West Des Monies.

For those who followed that case, news of the recent disappearance of two Iowa cousins was unsettling.

Both cases involved children doing the activities children are supposed to do without worry: Gosch was delivering newspapers around his neighborhood. Lyric Cook-Morrissey, 10, and Elizabeth Collins, now 9, who vanished from Evansdale on July 13, were riding their bicycles on a summer afternoon.
read more..

IIRC, he was one of 3 paper boys that went missing?

 

[georger]

I can't find how many deputies are in the Bremer Co. Sheriff's department. The population fluctuates from 23K up to almost 25K, via google. Anyone know how big the sheriff's department is?

I saw no problem with access to where the girl's were located as it was very dry then. Easy road from Readlyn. A truck wouldn't hurt either taking the dirt road back in the park. The road ended just about what a few hundred or so yards or or less from their location?

A few reporters and locals had traveled back there & posted/reported about it.

jmo

Vegitation probably was the problem, imo.

We have had numerous maps/photos posted showing exactly how to get there, and photos of numerous LE vehicles right there only yards away from the two spots where the bodies were found 50ft apart.

But according to the article they DID search part of that park ... just not the part so remote
that you need a National Geographic Guide and some kind of Marine All Terrain vehicle like a
tank (or a swamp boat ?) to get into! I must be way off, somehow. :moo: