IA IA - Elizabeth Collins, 8, & Lyric Cook, 10, Evansdale, 13 July 2012 - #33

[Foxfire]

Originally Posted by boneheaded View Post
http://www.desmoinesregister.com/art...WS01/307070040

“I’ve never run into a case like this where there is just so little evidence that we found at the scene,” he said. “This case has taken so many different twists and turns as we’ve followed up on it.”

BBM for focus..

RE: I’ve never run into a case like this where there is just so little evidence that we found at the scene..

The lack of evidence at a crime scene is the mark of an experienced predator, as was RSO Michael J Klunder.. One of many indicators that should have been obvious to investigators in December 2012, imo..

 

[carbuff]

Will the COD ever be released? What do you guys think?

I'm not convinced they have a COD to release.

 

[SapphireSteel]

Off topic but kind of not -

I just read a murder case where the victim's body had been skeletonised within 12 hours due to animal predators.

Perhaps they don't have COD...

I'll try to find the link.

ETA: here it is, some guy who killed his own sons for the insurance money. :sick:

http://murderpedia.org/male.C/c/cavaness-john.htm

 

[nikb]

who is this? someone named in the media or an rso?

RSO I believe, Nurse. Can't for the life of me remember what his initials stand for... I'll see if I can find it.

ETA: tracked it down. Here you go, CMF Iowa Sex Offender registry profile: http://www.iowasexoffender.com/registrant/16095/FITZ/CHAD/MITCHELL/?county=807

Currently in Waterloo, previous address Gilbert Drive in Evansdale (right near the lake I think, but I'd have to look at a map again).

 

[B4igo2it]

http://www.sorarchives.com/directory/IA/F/Chad_Mitchell_Fitz_39615

hmmmm.... this is the first I have seen of the MARY addy?

The IOWA RSO still has him living on Gladys.

http://www.iowasexoffender.com/simp...rstname=Chad&postalcode=&action=Submit+Search

 

[Bootsctr]

Will the COD ever be released? What do you guys think?

Great question Rachaellouise! I hope it will. If they catch who did this, I think the whole story will be told. Of course, we know Heather does not want to know how Elizabeth died and so we may never know, but eventually someone other than the killer will know. lease: And please God! Don't there be a plea deal! :truce:

 

[Bootsctr]

RE: I don't believe kids were allowed to come and go and I lived there for 15 years and never knew 7 bridges even existed, hence I don't think it was Klunder..
'The retired FF/couple in the prior video of 7 Bridges Park, shared that there were picnic tables and folks frequented the on a regular bases a couple decades ago'..

RodgerD, it would be great if you can get info on the Bremwood Juvenile facility. From past experience in other cases, these facilities have minimal, if any security and the juveniles can walk away with virtual ease.
After shooting his stepfather at age 17, in Hialeah, FL. Serial Killer Gary Hilton was sent to one of these juvenile facilities in FL. He walked away, obtained his GED, joined the Army, and became special forces trained.

The Bremwood juvenile facility was a Lutheran faith based organization. The juveniles painted houses, cleaned Churches, and completed other community projects.

http://wcfcourier.com/waverly/breme...cle_ddec27ac-dda9-5e36-8c3e-8b643477b28d.html

Waverly police officers were called to Bremwood Campus to assist with a male juvenile who walked away from the facility. The boy was located a few blocks away and taken to the Waverly Health Center and then transported to Allen Hospital for psychiatric evaluation.

I can definitely see the kids at a facility such as Bremwood being sent out into the community to pick up trash and I can certainly see them going to 7-Bridges too. Thank you Foxfire! Is there a possibility our other perp could have spent time there as well? He certainly received a light slap on the hand for his first offense. There should not have been a plea deal in his case nor should his record have been expunged. He was 17, old enough to be tried as an adult and even if it was is first offense. . . it was an awful one at that.

 

[Squeeze]

BBM for focus..

RE: I’ve never run into a case like this where there is just so little evidence that we found at the scene..

The lack of evidence at a crime scene is the mark of an experienced predator, as was RSO Michael J Klunder.. One of many indicators that should have been obvious to investigators in December 2012, imo..

Unless, if course, it's not the actual scene.....

 

[Unique444]

This kind of wild speculation goes too far for me - see ya.

Good luck on Pluto!

I absolutely agree!!!!!!

 

[Dr. Know?]

hmmmm.... this is the first I have seen of the MARY addy?

The IOWA RSO still has him living on Gladys.

http://www.iowasexoffender.com/simp...rstname=Chad&postalcode=&action=Submit+Search

On Evansdale SO page, you see the offenders address. If you click on the link "Based on this official offender page', it takes you to Iowa's RSO page, the offender sometimes has a different address. I learned that when searching for Klunder's friend in Evansdale. I would think the Iowa RSO page has the updated addresses. hth

http://www.city-data.com/so/so-Evansdale-Iowa.html

http://www.iowasexoffender.com/regi...aging->SortBy=last_name&ResultsPaging->Page=1

 

[Bootsctr]

Grainne Dhu, I honor and respect your opinion and would have agreed with you five years ago concerning the rationale for justice..
I do not believe that the dead are beyond caring about justice.
Time and time again, imo
serial predators are brought down by their innocent victims, even after death.. There is a spiritual connection involved in the battle between good and evil, imo. Imo, to dismiss this spiritual phenomenon contributes to many predators longevity, prevents the discovery of many victims remains, and prolongs justice for everyone concerned..
Until Good triumphs over Evil, Justice can not be served, imo..

http://www.learnoutloud.com/Catalog/Biography/Everyday-People/Between-Good-and-Evil/13839

Between Good and Evil is Roger L. Depue’s look back at a life spent apprehending criminals, especially serial killers, first as a small-town police chief, then an FBI-SWAT team member, Behavioral Sciences Unit chief, and a developer of revolutionary law enforcement programs.

The book also examines Depue’s experience studying with the Brothers of the Missionaries of the Holy Apostles in an attempt to discover why a good person like his wife, whom he had lost to cancer, is allowed to die while monstrous criminals get to live.

Following his time in the clergy, Depue returned to law-enforcement and today heads one of the world’s most elite think tanks; 'The Academy'..

My job has been to try to stop human predators before they kill again, and after studying them so closely over so many years, to me their traits seem clearly recognizable.
Evil is more than a vague notion. It is an entity, and it is manifest on the earth. It has reflexes and intuition, senses vulnerability, and changes its form to adapt to its surroundings. Those who do not believe the Devil walks this earth have not seen the things that I have seen.

Evil is not a discrete entity that springs forth fully formed. It is born in the mind, takes root there as fantasy, and prospers when normal human restraint can no longer contain it. I have seen it devour the personalities of men like Richard Speck, Jeffrey Dahmer, and Ted Bundy, turning them into blank-faced sociopaths who clearly know right from wrong, but choose, time and again, to follow their own base urges, with complete disregard for the terrible human suffering they cause.

I believe that every act of homicide causes a slight unbalancing in the world, and that it diminishes life’s universal equation. In the interest of justice, it is imperative that someone try to right that imbalance. But the task of fighting evil can take a terrible toll on the people who are charged with it. It can cost them their families, their equilibrium, their capacity for joy.

This is a great website! A must-read for me. Reminds me of the most recent episode of Mysteries at the Museum on Travel Channel of the Greenbrier Ghost, Zona Heaster Shue. http://www.travelchannel.com/tv-sho...onumental-mysteries-greenbrier-ghost-pictures


Zona Heaster Shue, murder victim
The Greenbrier Ghost is the name popularly given to the alleged ghost of a young woman in Greenbrier County, West Virginia, United States, who was murdered in 1897. The events surrounding the haunting have led to it becoming a very late instance in American legal history when testimony of a ghost was accepted at a murder trial.
Greenbrier Ghost - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[threecrazykids]

Unless, if course, it's not the actual scene.....

If Memory Serves Me Correctly, repoRters Said Almost Immediately That LE was Considering 7 Bridges As A Secondary Crime Scene. I can't Like On My Phone But I Remember Reading That They Couldnt Conclude The Murders Actually Happened At The Location Their Bodies Were Found.

 

[Foxfire]

Unless, if course, it's not the actual scene.....

That is true, Squeeze..The 7 bridges park remains locations was likely the 2nd crime scene, imo. An experienced predator will many times select a safe haven/ritual grounds in a very private and secluded location in another police jurisdiction/county from the abduction site, to take advantage of jurisdictional linkage blindness by searchers/investigators.
The abduction location would be considered the first crime scene, imo..

 

[carbuff]

It is of my opinion that 7-Bridges is not the actual scene of where the girls were killed :moo:

Yes, I agree.

 

[B4igo2it]

another hinky - here you are (Bootsctr) referencing "The Greenbrier Ghost is the name popularly given to the alleged ghost of a young woman in Greenbrier County, West Virginia, United States, who was murdered in 1897. ... when testimony of a ghost was accepted at a murder trial."

Last I heard, Lyric's mother live(s/d) in Greenbrier area .... this was the area a week prior to the abduction when Lyric arrived home late. What a coincidence to be thinking of that area just a few minutes ago, although in another context!

 

[tlcya]

That's so interesting, because I just blew him off because he was 17. He's still a total creeper and bad, bad, bad. but It just didn't translate to him being my suspect. I guess I really don't know the details, and I was thinking a different set of circumstances that don't equal abduction and murder. Did you know some of that info that Roger shared as well? What other reasons do you have for suspecting him? Where is he now and what is he doing? I wonder if Drew has a PI on him. I hope Police are watching him very carefully.

I don't go in for police bashing, but I do think of the police the same way I think of doctors (ie Always call for your lab reports, never just trust that they will call you!!). They are just human and often make mistakes (sometimes very dumb ones). I never just trust or believe that they are doing more than it looks like. Sometimes they are, but sometimes they are not. JMO.

Certainly after Klunder they are on Lyric and Elizabeth's case and being careful not to miss anything obvious. lease:

I wish I could say I know about what RogerD s looking into. I have not been onsite much and just checking in for new developments on my special cases. I missed RogerD joining although am reading to catch up now. I know nothing about CMF other than what is public record and some rumor (junk yard) that I read on the CVMS FB page a long while back. That plus the proximity of his family property to seven bridges and his various addresses around the region. Other than that, I can't explain. A hunch, a bad juju, something just really popped my radar on this person and even after all these months he remains uppermost in my mind as involved with this case.

 

[nikb]

That's so interesting, because I just blew him off because he was 17. He's still a total creeper and bad, bad, bad. but It just didn't translate to him being my suspect. I guess I really don't know the details, and I was thinking a different set of circumstances that don't equal abduction and murder. <snip>

BBM and snipped for space/clarity - Austin Sigg (Jessica Ridgeway's abductor and killer) was too at the time he took her. Terrified me that someone so young was capable of such awful things. Not to say CMF is like Sigg, I have no idea, but it's definitely changed the way I view what young/younger offenders might be capable of.

 

[carbuff]

BBM and snipped for space/clarity - Austin Sigg (Jessica Ridgeway's abductor and killer) was too at the time he took her. Terrified me that someone so young was capable of such awful things. Not to say CMF is like Sigg, I have no idea, but it's definitely changed the way I view what young/younger offenders might be capable of.

Alanna Gallagher's murderer is 17, too.

 

[Squeeze]

I hope everyone can read this. If not, it will be on the Couriers webpage tomorrow.

 

[AmandaReckonwith]

Case Archive for Lyric and Elizabeth:

http://s296.photobucket.com/user/crankycrankerson/library/#/user/crankycrankerson/library/Elizabeth%20Collins%20-%20Lyric%20Cook-Morrissey%20%20-IA-?sort=6&page=1&_suid=1375041627299029984647309155743


TY Squeeze, I added your pic.