IA IA - Elizabeth Collins, 8, & Lyric Cook, 10, Evansdale, 13 July 2012 - #34

[SapphireSteel]

How do we know he doesn't? Walter White on Breaking Bad has $40 million buried in the desert and lives the life of an average chemistry teacher in a modest house and his wife drives a mini van. I know that's TV, but it's possible....

Misty did testify against her boss, who was part of a very large meth enterprise, and put him in jail to avoid more jail time herself. They were definitely connected to very big, and very lucrative drug operations.

I know he didn't, because as a "loving parent" he would have provided everything he could for his kids, just like the rest of us.

I have seen no indication Lyric grew up being materially well provided for, in fact somewhat the opposite.


Opinion only of course. They may have gazillions packed away...:dunno:

BTW, did he pay a fancy lawyer or go public?

:waitasec:

:cow:

 

[iamnotagolem]

I can. Put yourself in Dan's shoes. He was very angry with Lyric. They had argued just 4 days before. She wanted to run away. Dan thought she was trouble. And his older son was almost out of child support years. But not Lyric. Dan would have to pay for her for 7 more years. Can't you see a drug user with anger issues thinking, "that little brat. She threatened to tell her mom I was using drugs again. I can't believe I have to pay for her and she's so disobedient...."

Not saying that Lyric was a bad kid at all -- but Dan might have thought so, as there is ample evidence that they fought. A lot.

Do you have a link to the court orders for child support? Was it being paid to Wylma? To the state? To whom was Dan paying child support and was Misty paying child support as well?

I had never considered that Dan might have been paying child support.

 

[SapphireSteel]

Do you have a link to the court orders for child support? Was it being paid to Wylma? To the state? To whom was Dan paying child support and was Misty paying child support as well?

I had never considered that Dan might have been paying child support.

Both Dan and Misty have spent chunks of time incarcerated so they both probably needed to pay it, to the state I would assume.

:dunno:

Maybe a local can confirm. In Australia, with our joke of a cs system, they wouldn't have to pay anything but hopefully it's different there. :furious:

 

[Dr. Know?]

I'm not sure what I want to say about Dan's sentencing other than I didn't realize the mandatory minimum was 30 years. Hard to sway from that law.

Jeramia appears to have another record from 9/4/13 for BURGLARY 3RD DEGREE (FELD) His bond was $15K. There's another $1500 in bail money.

His other record hasn't been updated yet.

https://www.iowacourts.state.ia.us/ESAWebApp/DefaultFrame

 

[SapphireSteel]

90 years.

What's the benefit in narcing, if you're never going to get out anyway?

 

[janie]

I know he didn't, because as a "loving parent" he would have provided everything he could for his kids, just like the rest of us.

I have seen no indication Lyric grew up being materially well provided for, in fact somewhat the opposite.


Opinion only of course. They may have gazillions packed away...:dunno:

BTW, did he pay a fancy lawyer or go public?

:waitasec:

:cow:

We Iowans are paying for his attorney. He was given a court appointed attorney and asked to have his own attorney at the state's expense.

On another note, just because he was ordered to pay child support (as was Misty) doesn't mean they ever paid any child support. In order to get state aid like health coverage, food stamps, the state requires you to file for child support and if the state ever gets any child support from the parents, some of it goes to pay for the health care coverage is how it was explained to me.

Even if Dan didn't make a lot of money in his meth labs, that doesn't mean he didn't have associates with lots of money or dangerous connections. There has to be the worker ants you know? Maybe he was fine with getting enough money to buy some smokes in addition to having his drug habit fed.

 

[janie]

90 years.

What's the benefit in narcing, if you're never going to get out anyway?

I thought he was getting out in 30 yrs? He'll be around 65 and not only does he not have to support himself now, he'll be ready for medicare and social security about then. He can retire and still have 20-30 yrs of freedom before he dies.

 

[otto]

I already answered this question...but you obviously think I am way off base. It would be great if you would list some evidence that makes you think it is not related to the circle of people that Dan was involved with?

Most obviously, Elizabeth has no connection to Dan's friends. Neither does Lyric.

Two children were murdered, not one. This is not all about the non-custodial father of Lyric, this is about the abduction and murder of Elizabeth and her cousin in Elizabeth's neighborhood.

 

[otto]

I'm not trying to say Dan was a bad dad, but as far I remember he never had custody of Lyric and wasn't very involved in her life. I'm assuming that if he wasn't super involved in Lyric's life, he probably wasn't the favorite uncle of Elizabeth. So how would hurting one of his kids hurt him?

My dad was involved in drugs, if you wanted to hurt him you wouldn't kill his kids you'd steal his drugs. Sure he loved us, but being an addict makes the drugs more important than a child. If his child was so important he would have quit drugs to be a better parent.

Hope all of that makes sense.

Exactly. Furthermore, if the children's remains had not been found, we'd still be reading wild stories about some sex ring abducting children and sending them who knows where.

 

[alliemay]

But isn't that the opposite of what happened? He was planning to snitch on July 12 but changed his mind and didn't?

Or am I the one that is confused?

You are not the only one confused. So July 12th, was this date scheduled by the court, or did Dan just call them on the phone and say, "hey can we get together on the 12th? If the court scheduled that date, sometimes, way in advance, and he changed it so he didn't have to "talk", why would anyone take the girls for that reason, the day after?

 

[otto]

Let's say that one of Dan's associates is responsible for the girls' deaths. Surely LE has a list of names to weed out involvement, right? Unless all of his associates were involved and alibi'd each other out.

Seems like it would be rather straight forward ... pick the one with the boxy SUV.

 

[janie]

Most obviously, Elizabeth has no connection to Dan's friends. Neither does Lyric.

Two children were murdered, not one. This is not all about the non-custodial father of Lyric, this is about the abduction and murder of Elizabeth and her cousin in Elizabeth's neighborhood.

I don't know if Elizabeth was exposed to the meth population but Lyric most likely was. I don't live very far from the home that Wylma, Misty, and Dan had seized and repossessed that was a meth lab in 2011. Neighbors reported Lyric living there and often being out on her bike unattended at the address. The house was recently sold at a greatly reduced price, probably because of the large task to clean it up from the chemicals. It had danger notices posted on the door prior to that. The repo documents showing Misty and Wylma as owners of the home is in iowacourtsonline. It is the Campbell address in this link:

http://www.homefacts.com/methlabs/Iowa/Black-Hawk-County/Waterloo.html

 

[SapphireSteel]

I don't know if Elizabeth was exposed to the meth population but Lyric most likely was. I don't live very far from the home that Wylma, Misty, and Dan had seized and repossessed that was a meth lab in 2011. Neighbors reported Lyric living there and often being out on her bike unattended at the address. The house was recently sold at a greatly reduced price, probably because of the large task to clean it up from the chemicals. It had danger notices posted on the door prior to that. The repo documents showing Misty and Wylma as owners of the home is in iowacourtsonline. It is the Campbell address in this link:

http://www.homefacts.com/methlabs/Iowa/Black-Hawk-County/Waterloo.html

What in the...

Lyric grew up with a meth lab in the house????

 

[otto]

"The girls' aunt, Tammy Brousseau, said Morrissey backed out of a plea agreement in the cases earlier this month because he did not want to be jailed immediately, which it required. She said she believed he would ultimately accept a plea bargain rather than take his chances at trials to reduce the potential prison term he faces."

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/07/2...sins-faces-trial-during-search/#ixzz2eondUImL

 

[Bootsctr]

The article says DM can file an appeal within 30 days against the 90 year sentence. His lawyer says they will "likely" file the paperwork to do so. Did DM go back to the BHCJ? Does anyone know to which prison he would likely be sent ?

Obviously LE does not have any evidence DM had anything to do with the girls' abductions and murders. The answers lie in connecting a person or persons to the white "older model" SUV parked along Arbitus street last July 13, 2012. Somebody knows whose vehicle that belonged to, or who was driving it that day.

 

[BunnyHop]

I'm lost, just checking in. :seeya:

 

[Dr. Know?]

If you go to Iowa Vinelink & pull up Dan's name you can be notified of his next location via email, phone or other methods. It lets you know when he's transferred. His record there currently says he's in Black Hawk.

 

[iamnotagolem]

I don't know if Elizabeth was exposed to the meth population but Lyric most likely was. I don't live very far from the home that Wylma, Misty, and Dan had seized and repossessed that was a meth lab in 2011. Neighbors reported Lyric living there and often being out on her bike unattended at the address. The house was recently sold at a greatly reduced price, probably because of the large task to clean it up from the chemicals. It had danger notices posted on the door prior to that. The repo documents showing Misty and Wylma as owners of the home is in iowacourtsonline. It is the Campbell address in this link:

http://www.homefacts.com/methlabs/Iowa/Black-Hawk-County/Waterloo.html

So contrary to the media and family reporting that Lyric lived with Wylma and prior to that with Drew and Heather, you are saying that 7 months before she was abducted she lived with Misty in a meth lab?

 

[nikb]

90 years.

What's the benefit in narcing, if you're never going to get out anyway?

IMO Prison sentences are pretty much a joke, at least here in CA, but I assume in other states as well. Why on earth would someone (Ariel Castro) need to get life without parole PLUS 1000 years if sentences were real? I don't know exact facts, but I bet 90 years is equivalent to 10 or something crazy like that.

 

[SpringThyme]

Such a strange coincidence he was sentenced on July 13. How did that come about?