IA IA - Elizabeth Collins, 8, & Lyric Cook, 10, Evansdale, 13 July 2012 - #34

[alliemay]

I might say that drugs had something to do with the girls abduction, if there were not tons of abduction cases where the child came from a good family background. Once again, in my opinion, I feel there is just to much focus on the drugs, right from the start.

If LE did not have drugs in the equation, where would they have begun to look at that time, it makes me wonder. They probably still would have drained the lake, I think that's procedure. They claimed the girls were alive, was that because they thought the abductor would return the girls for drugs or drug money? Would they have labeled it an abduction sooner if they hadn't focused on the drugs.

I think LE and most people focus on what one would feel is the obvious. Parents on drugs = abduction of kids. I somehow feel they should be looking at things that are not obvious. For one, the Collins neighborhood and the area's around Myers Lake, two, maybe the church, three, maybe school. You really never know where someone with a shady background will turn up after getting through the cracks. Not related to the girls case, but this is just one example. Wish the schools had a better way of screening employees.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2012/10/24/teacher-aide-secret-past-unearthed/1654301/

 

[roseofsharon]

Did LE check the credit card receipts in the days prior and the day of the abduction for Lederman's Big and Tall.

IIRC, Lederman's sells some clothing for hunting and fishing, i.e. camo shirts and wading boots.

Did Lederman's have video surveillance of the interior of the store and the front parking lot.

Where is closest Lederman's Big and Tall for the people of Readlyn.

WC's last sighting of L and E was at the back of Lederman's.

Imo

 

[watcher9]

Did LE check the credit card receipts in the days prior and the day of the abduction for Lederman's Big and Tall.

IIRC, Lederman's sells some clothing for hunting and fishing, i.e. camo shirts and wading boots.

Did Lederman's have video surveillance of the interior of the store and the front parking lot.

Where is closest Lederman's Big and Tall for the people of Readlyn.

WC's last sighting of L and E was at the back of Lederman's.

Imo

They may have checked into the receipts in the beginning, but now maybe they need to recheck both the receipts and with the employees, this time to see if Klunder may have been in there.

 

[Dr. Know?]

I might say that drugs had something to do with the girls abduction, if there were not tons of abduction cases where the child came from a good family background. Once again, in my opinion, I feel there is just to much focus on the drugs, right from the start.

If LE did not have drugs in the equation, where would they have begun to look at that time, it makes me wonder. They probably still would have drained the lake, I think that's procedure. They claimed the girls were alive, was that because they thought the abductor would return the girls for drugs or drug money? Would they have labeled it an abduction sooner if they hadn't focused on the drugs.

I think LE and most people focus on what one would feel is the obvious. Parents on drugs = abduction of kids. I somehow feel they should be looking at things that are not obvious. For one, the Collins neighborhood and the area's around Myers Lake, two, maybe the church, three, maybe school. You really never know where someone with a shady background will turn up after getting through the cracks. Not related to the girls case, but this is just one example. Wish the schools had a better way of screening employees.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2012/10/24/teacher-aide-secret-past-unearthed/1654301/

I've sleuthed so many people, many shady. You go up and down the streets via the White pages, google, check facebook, you check their pictures, their arrests, court docs & you just keep on doing it...& build little facts but so far nothing to write home about except Klunder maybe, you still have your suspicions & file them appropriately. I agree, all schools need better screening of employees as everyday there is something sick happening in each state towards children.

 

[SapphireSteel]

There was nothing random about Austin Sigg's horrific crime. AS had a black cheer leading outfit for JR to change into before sexually assaulting, torturing, and mutilating her. AS was stalking JR and waited for an opportunity, imo. AS received counselling for addiction at the age of 12 years old...Sadistic psychopaths lie...

M
Statistically speaking the family are involved.

As for a random Klunder/Sigg type perp -

We. still know zero about COD, it may not be sexually driven.

No BOLOs have been issued

Family/friends have not been cleared.

The crime itself shows aspects of extreme planning. Both K& S were disorganised. A richly detailed fantasy does not equal planning. Both got caught because they put zero thought into what they'd do afterwards once they'd had their fantasy.

:moo:

 

[Dr. Know?]

Not sure but the juvenile part could be the "next in line" public defender but for MM & JC to both have an entry on their dockets of a Juvenile Public Dender and MM with the charge of "enterprise" just bother me.

WARRANT SERVED FAYETTE COUNTY SHERIFF 11/27/2013 11/27/2013 11/27/2013
Comments: $26.00
CRIMINAL COMPLAINT FAYETTE COUNTY SHERIFF 11/27/2013 11/27/2013 11/27/2013
HEARING FOR INITIAL APPEARANCE SULLIVAN JOHN 11/26/2013 11/26/2013 11/26/2013
Comments: PRELIM 12/06/13 2:45PM WU, BOND SET $130,000 C/CS
ORDER APPOINTING COUNSEL AT STATE EXPENSE SULLIVAN JOHN 11/26/2013 11/26/2013 11/26/2013
Comments: WATERLOO JUVENILE PUBLIC DEFENDER OFFICE
OTHER ORDER LEKAR KELLYANN M 11/26/2013 11/26/2013 11/26/2013
Comments: SUBJECT TO RULES OF EXPANDED MEDIA COVERAGE REQUEST GRANTED
APP FOR COUNSEL/FINANCIAL STATEMENT MORRISSEY MISTY JUNE MARIE 11/26/2013 11/26/2013 11/26/2013
CRIMINAL COMPLAINT FAYETTE COUNTY SHERIFF 11/26/2013 11/27/2013 11/27/2013
ARREST WARRANT MORRISSEY MISTY JUNE MARIE 11/25/2013 11/25/2013 11/27/2013
ORDER TO ISSUE WARRANT STOCHL RICHARD D 11/25/2013 11/25/2013 11/25/2013
Comments: BAIL $15,000.00 C/CS
CRIMINAL COMPLAINT FAYETTE COUNTY SHERIFF 11/25/2013 11/25/2013 11/25/2013
CRIMINAL COMPLAINT FAYETTE COUNTY SHERIFF 11/25/2013 11/25/2013 11/25/2013


Charges

Count 01 Charge
Charge:
124.401(1)(c) Description: CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE VIOL. (FELC)
Offense Date: 11/25/2013 Arrest Date:

Count 02 Charge
Charge:
124.401(1)(c) Description: CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE VIOL. (FELC)
Offense Date: 11/22/2013

Count 03 Charge
Charge:
124.401(1)(d)-F Description: CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE VIOL. (FELD)
Offense Date: 11/25/2013

Count 04 Charge
Charge:
706A.2(1) Description: ONGOING CRIMINAL CONDUCT - INFLUENCE ENTERPRISE (FELB)
Offense Date: 11/25/2013

Description of 706A.2(1)

706A.2 VIOLATIONS.
1. Specified unlawful activity influenced enterprises

https://coolice.legis.iowa.gov/Cool...ry=billinfo&service=IowaCode&ga=83&input=706A

No bond money has been paid so far per MM's court record.

https://www.iowacourts.state.ia.us/ESAWebApp/SelectFrame

 

[Dr. Know?]

I think MM's charges might just be the tip of more to come or that's all they have at the moment. I don't like the further charges that could come with a 710 statute charge as the most horrible charge of all right now. Just guessing. I'm a rookie...& jmo

 

[Dr. Know?]

For some reason, I missed that MM was involved with a welding company bust back when she was arrested years ago.

Snipped

November 26, 2013 2:30 pm • By Jeff Reinitz


At the time of the disappearance, Misty Morrissey was on federal supervised release stemming from a 2003 meth ring that operated out of a former welding company. She was released from prison in 2006. In 2009, she was ordered to the Waterloo Residential Facility as condition of her probation.

http://wcfcourier.com/news/local/cr...cle_0da1aca8-4b35-589a-9b94-926a09b2340d.html


October 03, 2003 12:00 am • JEFF REINITZ, Courier Staff Writer

CEDAR RAPIDS -- A Waterloo man will spend the next two decades in prison for running a methamphetamine lab in a former welding supply building.

U.S. District Court Judge Linda Reade sentenced Robert Cleveland Jr., 48, to 21 years and 10 months in a federal prison to be followed by five years' supervised release.


http://wcfcourier.com/news/metro/ma...cle_7483d81b-6f2a-518b-8fa0-364c41d10f2e.html

This is all I knew about her arrest and conviction before besides her court docket.

snipped
By James Nye

PUBLISHED: 15:06 EST, 19 July 2012 | UPDATED: 16:07 EST, 19 July 2012


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ug-rings-spent-time-prison.html#ixzz2m1MdAZ00

Working for a David Mickelson, her former boss at the BIG Ten Mart in Waterloo, Iowa, Misty was a key member of the drugs ring eight years ago.

'Cook testified that she obtained pseudoephedrine pills from various people and provided them to Scott Reavis, who used them to make methamphetamine,' court records stated to the Des Moines Register

Read more

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ng-meth-lab-drug-rings-spent-time-prison.html

 

[Dr. Know?]

Another thing I didn't pay attention to was the Bail Bondsman. Lederman's is this guy. It's interesting. My apologies if this is old news.

Dan Lederman

Owner at Lederman Bonding Company, State Senator in South Dakota
North Sioux City, South Dakota (Sioux City, Iowa Area) Insurance

State Senator

State of South Dakota

Government Agency; 10,001+ employees; Government Administration industry

January 2009 – Present (4 years 11 months) pierre, south dakota

Assistant Majority Leader


Owner

Lederman Bonding Company

May 1995 – Present (18 years 7 months)

Operator of bail bond company across the Midwest including Iowa, South Dakota and Minnesota.

Registered Agent

Seneca Insurance Company

Public Company; 51-200 employees; Insurance industry

1996 – 2011 (15 years)


Combat Medic

US Army

Government Agency; 10,001+ employees; Military industry

May 1990 – May 2000 (10 years 1 month)

Served in the Army National Gaurd in the 103rd Battalion in Iowa City, Iowa while attending the University of Iowa.

http://www.linkedin.com/in/danlederman

I saw Cleveland's bond company was Lederman's & Seneca Insurance Co long ago.


From a one of his dockets (many many on Cleveland)

Filings
Title: ST VS ROBERT CLEVELAND
Case: 01071 SRCR088566 (BLACK HAWK)

BOND POSTED SENECA INS CO / LEDERMAN BONDI NG AGENT 10/01/1999 10/01/1999 10/01/1999

https://www.iowacourts.state.ia.us/ESAWebApp/TrialSimpFrame

 

[Squeeze]

Another thing I didn't pay attention to was the Bail Bondsman. Lederman's is this guy. It's interesting. My apologies if this is old news.

Dan Lederman

Owner at Lederman Bonding Company, State Senator in South Dakota
North Sioux City, South Dakota (Sioux City, Iowa Area) Insurance

State Senator

State of South Dakota

Government Agency; 10,001+ employees; Government Administration industry

January 2009 – Present (4 years 11 months) pierre, south dakota

Assistant Majority Leader


Owner

Lederman Bonding Company

May 1995 – Present (18 years 7 months)

Operator of bail bond company across the Midwest including Iowa, South Dakota and Minnesota.

Registered Agent

Seneca Insurance Company

Public Company; 51-200 employees; Insurance industry

1996 – 2011 (15 years)


Combat Medic

US Army

Government Agency; 10,001+ employees; Military industry

May 1990 – May 2000 (10 years 1 month)

Served in the Army National Gaurd in the 103rd Battalion in Iowa City, Iowa while attending the University of Iowa.

http://www.linkedin.com/in/danlederman

I saw Cleveland's bond company was Lederman's & Seneca Insurance Co long ago.


From a one of his dockets (many many on Cleveland)

Filings
Title: ST VS ROBERT CLEVELAND
Case: 01071 SRCR088566 (BLACK HAWK)

BOND POSTED SENECA INS CO / LEDERMAN BONDI NG AGENT 10/01/1999 10/01/1999 10/01/1999

https://www.iowacourts.state.ia.us/ESAWebApp/TrialSimpFrame

You know what's funny?? I have never heard of DAN Lederman. I have heard of DAVID Lederman, who owns the local Lederman Bonding company. I didn't realize that there were more locations with multiple owners. I happen to know that David is a very generous person and has a soft spot for Boys and Girls Club. I'm not sure about the connection with Lederman clothing. There is also a doctor in town named Lederman. I think he's new retired.

I'm sure that Lederman knows of ALL the local criminals. Some criminals, petty or otherwise, pose too much of a risk and they simply won't do business with them or their families. Common business sense, really.

 

[B4igo2it]

David’s father took one day off every year - Thanksgiving Day. On that day, David, his father and his brothers would deliver Thanksgiving meals to shut-ins in Waterloo. Through this valuable tradition, David learned to appreciate his family, his stable home and his blessings. He felt extremely fortunate, and gained an understanding that not all families had as much as his did.
When David was younger, he always knew he wanted to one day join Lederman Bonding Company, his family’s business. David currently works for the company as well as maintains part ownership of the business alongside his three brothers. The family also owns Lederman’s Clothing Store in Evansdale.

David and Amy Lederman Family Fund
http://www.cfneia.org/ourstories/84-david-and-amy-lederman-family-fund
Headquartered in Black Hawk County, the Community Foundation of Northeast Iowa (CFNEIA) is pleased to serve Waterloo, Cedar Falls and all the communities in Black Hawk County, in addition to serving as the host foundation for 24 county and community affiliates across northern and eastern Iowa. (JMO: This is gigantic with so many wonderful established funds set up!)

 

[B4igo2it]

http://www.cfneia.org/give/listofestablishedfunds/646-angels-memorial-fund

Fund Details

Name: Angels Memorial Fund
Type: Special Projects Fund
Comments:
The Fund was established to benefit the City of Evansdale, IA, for the benefit of the Angels Memorial project, a special project to remember the lives of Elizabeth Collins and Lyric Cook.


Click here to read the story behind this Fund. (see link)
http://www.cfneia.org/content/funds/646/Angels Memorial Brochure.pdf?1362070805


Make an Online Donation to this Fund.

(NOTE: This is Lyric & Elizabeth) :clap:

 

[B4igo2it]

Interesting find:

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Found Deceased IA - Elizabeth Collins, 8, and Lyric Cook, 10, Evansdale, 13 July 2012 - #34

Dan plead guilty to this charge: ONGOING CRIMINAL CONDUCT - CRIMINAL NETWORK (FELB) Iowa Statute 706A.2(2)

2. Facilitation of a criminal network. It is unlawful for a person acting with knowledge of the financial goals and criminal objectives of a criminal network to knowingly facilitate criminal objectives of the network by doing any of the following: (a - j)

thank you Dr.Know

 

[B4igo2it]

Okay, so my challenge for today was to figure out just what is (FELB) after Misty & Dan's charges. I believe it is: Class B Felony

let me know if this is incorrect as I really racked my brains on this one ... :wink:

In Iowa:

Class "B" felony carries a maximum sentence of up to 25 years in state prison.

Class "C: felony carries a maximum charge of 10 years in state prison.

Class “D” Felony, subject to fines as well as up to 5 years imprisonment if convicted.

If the criminal has prior convictions under Iowa Code Section 124.401 he/she may be subject to several enhancements including the habitual offender enhancement and a second and subsequent offender enhancement. These enhancements could result in a mandatory minimum sentence and/or a tripling of the penalties for the possession with the intent to deliver charges (B felony 25 x 3 = 75 year max on each; C felony 10 x 3 = 30 year max on each, for a total of 210 years on the possession with the intent charges).

... I am glad I do not know firsthand what these things are!

 

[Dr. Know?]

Hey, don't take my word as I am not a lawyer but I do study a lot about law. ha ha Ask a lawyer. I think it might be something else so I'm going to delete my previous posts. Those FELD's etc...are offense classes and I need to read more.

 

[Dr. Know?]

Iowa link to Classes of felonies. I said, I don't want to see the charges reach statute 710 but even lower dosn't sound very good.

http://www.iowa-icaa.com/ForcibleFelonies-RevisedApr2013 (2).pdf

 

[Eileen730]

This is like watching episodes of breaking bad again!

The drug trade and family life do not mix!

The innocents get hurt!

 

[Eileen730]

I see that Heather shared Mistys mug shot on Facebook, Isn't it funny how two women grow up in the same family, and this same unimaginable thing happens to both of them, and how differently they deal with it? Complete opposites in so many ways. I keep thinking of poor Wylma. Two deceased granddaughters, one daughter in jail, a son wanted by the feds... And it doesnt seem to me that Heather is close to her. I'm thankful that Heather, Drew and kids have such a great support system, in spite of it all.

Personally I do not think this is Mistys way of dealing with it!
I think this is Mistys way of life!
That way of life may have had its consequences.

.

 

[ksprincess]

I have no doubt this has been discussed before here, and I haven't kept up with the girls case as well as I should have but was curious to hear anyones thoughts on why both girls obituaries say they passed away on the day they went missing. Did the families just have that written because they were unsure and wanted a date to put down or does LE have reason to believe that's that day they died?

 

[Marilynilpa]

I have no doubt this has been discussed before here, and I haven't kept up with the girls case as well as I should have but was curious to hear anyones thoughts on why both girls obituaries say they passed away on the day they went missing. Did the families just have that written because they were unsure and wanted a date to put down or does LE have reason to believe that's that day they died?

This has been discussed before, and IIRC there was no consensus. Some of us believe July 13, 2012 was the day both girls died, while others feel the families just had to pick some date.

If LE knows the date of death, they certainly haven't released it to the public as far as I know.

Maybe some day we'll have an answer to this question.