IA IA - Elizabeth Collins, 8, & Lyric Cook, 10, Evansdale, 13 July 2012 - #36

[threecrazykids]

Fyi...in going through the first 8 threads so far I was reminded that Aunt Tammy said that indeed Elizabeth HAD ridden her bike to the lake with the 3 girls who lived in her neighborhood.
That could mean they had an adult with them or not. Either way, Tammy made it clear that yes, indeed, she had ridden to the lake before...we just don't know which route the girls took.

 

[otto]

Fyi...in going through the first 8 threads so far I was reminded that Aunt Tammy said that indeed Elizabeth HAD ridden her bike to the lake with the 3 girls who lived in her neighborhood.
That could mean they had an adult with them or not. Either way, Tammy made it clear that yes, indeed, she had ridden to the lake before...we just don't know which route the girls took.

Didn't the children say that Elizabeth had gone with them one time?

 

[threecrazykids]

Didn't the children say that Elizabeth had gone with them one time?

I sure wish I knew the answer to that. I have to venture a guess that it wasn't often, otherwise she likely wouldn't have allegedly asked for directions.
I know in interviews Heather and Drew also said they would take family walks there.
I just have a feeling she may have felt comfortable with the area once she got there...but at 8, likely didn't know exactly how to get there on her own.
Just a guess...

 

[B4igo2it]

3rd Annual Ride & Drive for the Girls event will be held July 11th in Evansdale IA.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10152630538450439

 

[watcher9]

Thanks again for posting that video of the second annual ride.
It must have been an amazing sight for anyone able to witness it firsthand.
I hope they have a great turn out this year also.

 

[B4igo2it]

Seems family would not be more protective of Lyric knowing something strange had occurred a few days prior to this day of her 2nd disappearance. Such a close family (of sorts) - but, wouldn't the family keep a better eye on her to 1) make sure it doesn't happen again, 2) see if she is telling the truth, 3) make sure she is safe.

IDK, maybe they felt it was just "girls being girls" and not really that big of a deal.

If it was a boy thing, I suspect they would go to the skate park ... unless it was a boy with a car that met them on the trail at Meyer's Lake.

 

[B4igo2it]

17-July 17-2012 CNN interview with Grandma Vicki -

MISSING IN IOWA: Grandmother: 'It's absolutely no family'

http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-816543

several white vehicles in the background too!

 

[tlcya]

Seems family would not be more protective of Lyric knowing something strange had occurred a few days prior to this day of her 2nd disappearance. Such a close family (of sorts) - but, wouldn't the family keep a better eye on her to 1) make sure it doesn't happen again, 2) see if she is telling the truth, 3) make sure she is safe.

IDK, maybe they felt it was just "girls being girls" and not really that big of a deal.

If it was a boy thing, I suspect they would go to the skate park ... unless it was a boy with a car that met them on the trail at Meyer's Lake.

Wasn't the not home when expected incident while in the company of an older (teenage) female cousin? Maybe the older cousin got the blame and therefore the additional lecturing and supervision. And that incident the week before abduction took place in Waterloo, not Evansdale, so maybe no one thought Lyric was responsible for being late the week prior and warranted closer supervision or a removal of the trust she and Lizzie apparently had from family while on their bike rides.

Hard to know.

 

[NWLady]

I sure wish I knew the answer to that. I have to venture a guess that it wasn't often, otherwise she likely wouldn't have allegedly asked for directions.
I know in interviews Heather and Drew also said they would take family walks there.
I just have a feeling she may have felt comfortable with the area once she got there...but at 8, likely didn't know exactly how to get there on her own.
Just a guess...

threecrazykids...I don't know if I told you this before but even if I did, it doesn't hurt to tell you again. Thank you for the trip you made to Seven Bridges and for the videos of it. Without those, many of us would have no idea of what the area was truly like where the girls were found. I just wanted to say that what you did was greatly appreciated by me and I'm sure many others as well. Thanks again!

 

[threecrazykids]

threecrazykids...I don't know if I told you this before but even if I did, it doesn't hurt to tell you again. Thank you for the trip you made to Seven Bridges and for the videos of it. Without those, many of us would have no idea of what the area was truly like where the girls were found. I just wanted to say that what you did was greatly appreciated by me and I'm sure many others as well. Thanks again!

Thank you! It is so hard to picture areas when all you have are written description,s or even a few select shots. I figured it was the least I could do - 1, to pay my respects to the girls and 2 to bring the best visual I could to my friends here in an effort to bring this killer to justice.

Thank you again for your kind words.

 

[Wondergirl]

Thank you! It is so hard to picture areas when all you have are written description,s or even a few select shots. I figured it was the least I could do - 1, to pay my respects to the girls and 2 to bring the best visual I could to my friends here in an effort to bring this killer to justice.

Thank you again for your kind words.

I hate to be the one to ask, but would you be kind enough to post the link to your video again?

Is there an online album of the pics?

Thanks 3. [emoji7]

 

[threecrazykids]

I hate to be the one to ask, but would you be kind enough to post the link to your video again?

Is there an online album of the pics?

Thanks 3. [emoji7]

Here ya go! I had to go digging for it - you would think with all the bookmarks I have this post would be on the list - sheesh!

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...ansdale-13-July-2012-30&p=9197715#post9197715

 

[threecrazykids]

On a completely unrelated note - could I be any breathier during that walk from the roundabout to the area where the wreaths were? LMAO! I remember feeling short of breath just being there. Not to mention my husband was having to basically steer me along the beaten path from behind. I was too busy watching through the camera to make sure I was recording the actual walk/path and not my feet which would be pretty typical for me. LOL

It's still very eerie watching them again...gives me the creeps just like it did that day.

 

[Aymstriss]

http://wcfcourier.com/news/local/cr...cle_ec29b956-eebf-5812-bd95-fb005f0edcd9.html

 

[threecrazykids]

I am curious as to how many people are still working on this case in a full-time capacity. I'm sure Smock's dedication is very forthcoming, but I wonder how much he is having to do himself, and why? Surely they aren't counting on one person's mindset and investigative skills throughout the final steps of finding and bringing the killer to justice. PLEASE tell me that isn't the case. We know there was a visit to the FBI to "confirm what we already know" (wtf by the way on that comment??) but to also discuss the case, etc. But is Smock running the show on his own now?

On that same note - I'm also curious as to the reasoning behind Evansdale PD leading this investigation. Is it because the initial report was placed with Evansdale PD that they are automatically the lead? Why couldn't/wouldn't Bremer County Sheriff's office be working tandem, since that is where the bodies were found? As well as Black Hawk County or heck, even Waterloo PD as that is where Lyric and her family were from? When did the FBI step out of the day to day investigative process? Was it when the bodies were found?

The reason I ask is because Black Hawk County's Chief Deputy Rick Abben was our initial "voice" during all the initial pressers even though 99% of his answers were "I wasn't aware of that", or "I can't comment on that at this time". :facepalm: He and Tony Thompson were the "men in charge". Then when Smock went on his vacation, the FBI's Sandy Breault stepped in to cover the media. Where did I miss that Evansdale PD suddenly became the head honchos in all of this? Or was Smock busy pounding the pavement and Abben and the FBI were just the faces we saw in the media?

Maybe someone with more knowledge as to how this works could explain. Why does this appear to be falling on the shoulders of Evansdale PD and not Bremer County? Simply because that is were the crime was reported?

I am not trying to elude that Smock is clueless - but wouldn't the PD in Bremer County have a much better idea of the folk who hang out at Seven Bridges since the FBI seem to think THAT is where the magical connection is, and NOT Evansdale?

Hopefully they are all working together but Smock is getting the limelight and credit for all the work.

 

[iamnotagolem]

Did we know this???

Smock had been serving jointly as the city's police and fire chief for three years. He resigned as fire chief and is taking a month of vacation before returning full-time as police chief.

So was this his first real case?

Smock has served in the city's fire department for nearly 40 years and was appointed chief in March 2002. A retired Black Hawk County Sheriff's deputy, Smock was appointed police chief in March 2012.

Since July 2012, he has been leading the investigation into the deaths of Lyric Cook-Morrissey, 10, and Elizabeth Collins, 8. The cousins disappeared July 13, 2012, and their bodies were found by hunters Dec. 5, 2012, in the Seven Bridges Wildlife Area.

http://wcfcourier.com/news/local/cr...cle_ec29b956-eebf-5812-bd95-fb005f0edcd9.html

 

[threecrazykids]

Here is a link to an article that was posted not long after the girls abduction.
http://m.wcfcourier.com/news/evansd...5bc6-b662-124e042c51a6.html?mobile_touch=true

While Smock may have experience in missing children from his sheriff days, I would bet you can count on less than one hand how many true child abductions he was directly involved in. In Evansdale my guess is this is for sure his one and only.

I guess my whole issue isn't as much of the capability, but the lack of familiarity with such an EXTREMELY rare case such as this.

We are talking less than 2% of ALL abductions here...how could he possibly know? No shame towards him...Iowa simply has an extremely low rate of abductions.

 

[Ommmm]

I don't know if either Smock or Abben enjoy limelight, really. They're kind of the typical stoic Midwesterner. A little bit American Gothic I was just saying to a friend that it seems like this is going to haunt Smock if he isn't able to resolve it. I took the announcement as such. He's putting other things aside, all eggs in one basket.

 

[iamnotagolem]

Here is a link to an article that was posted not long after the girls abduction.
http://m.wcfcourier.com/news/evansd...5bc6-b662-124e042c51a6.html?mobile_touch=true

While Smock may have experience in missing children from his sheriff days, I would bet you can count on less than one hand how many true child abductions he was directly involved in. In Evansdale my guess is this is for sure his one and only.

I guess my whole issue isn't as much of the capability, but the lack of familiarity with such an EXTREMELY rare case such as this.

We are talking less than 2% of ALL abductions here...how could he possibly know? No shame towards him...Iowa simply has an extremely low rate of abductions.

BBM Totally agree.

 

[Wondergirl]

Did we know this???



So was this his first real case?



http://wcfcourier.com/news/local/cr...cle_ec29b956-eebf-5812-bd95-fb005f0edcd9.html

Speaking of wtf.....