IA IA - Elizabeth Collins, 8, & Lyric Cook, 10, Evansdale, 13 July 2012 - #6

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An individual with the initials DC was arrested and booked this morning on a variety of interesting charges.

http://www.bhcso.org/WhosInJail.aspx

Race: Black

 

[sarx]

Hi Sarx! Thanks for your help!

I have a question. This family says that the fbi had their dogs walk by all of them standing in a line before they sent them on the search for each of the girls' scents.

Is this standard practice?

Yep, they were doing what we call missing member. In a family situation there is likely to be a lot of cross contamination on the scent articles (Mom picking up the laundry, brother's laundry being dropped on top, toothbrush being moved by someone else, and so on...) so this allows the dog to tell who is still there and what scent is on there that "doesn't belong" if you will. Does that make sense? If I did a cruddy job of explaining please feel free to go "huh???" and I'll try again!

 

[tlcya]

Waaaay behind on this one, sorry. Do they rent paddleboats (where they would keep a log of when they were out) or is it just bring your own?

Sarx, I believe it has been reported by one of our verified locals that certain individual lakefront homeowners own their own personal paddleboats. I don't think he said there was any public place that had them available (such as for rental).

 

[Angelonline]

An individual with the initials DC was arrested and booked this morning on a variety of interesting charges.

http://www.bhcso.org/WhosInJail.aspx

Originally Posted by elmomom
Interesting new name that was booked today too bad I am at work and can't sleuth it

I am fairly certain this is unrelated and that DC that was arrested is NOT a relative. Check out the article/pic.

http://wcfcourier.com/news/local/wa...cle_0d939348-d4c6-11e1-bf71-0019bb2963f4.html

 

[princesspjs]

Ok, thank you all you wonderful posters! Now I see that the man on the bike did not tell police that same day that he had seen the bikes at 12:20 and swerved to miss them. He told police on MONDAY, not Friday.

Which leads me to a new question --
Why in the world did he wait until Monday?

And why aren't the police considering him credible enough to make this part of the timeline?

He waited until he heard that the girls were missing. It was later in the day on Friday. The article you were looking at is showing him talking to LE again. Probably just going over the details again.

I don't know why you think the police aren't using his sighting in the timeline. This is what the 12:20 time is based on. :waitasec:

 

[princesspjs]

Yep, they were doing what we call missing member. In a family situation there is likely to be a lot of cross contamination on the scent articles (Mom picking up the laundry, brother's laundry being dropped on top, toothbrush being moved by someone else, and so on...) so this allows the dog to tell who is still there and what scent is on there that "doesn't belong" if you will. Does that make sense? If I did a cruddy job of explaining please feel free to go "huh???" and I'll try again!

How about :rocker:

Thanks!

 

[Truman]

Hi all. Not sure that my remote message made it on here yesterday, so I'll try again. I've been off the grid for a week but came back to see there were some pm's regarding this case and questions about what the dogs did. If there are still questions I'd be happy to try and answer.

Hi Sarx-
Assuming no decomposition and no rain, how long would an individual's scent generally be detectable by dogs on a non-porous object, such as a bike?
Thanks!!!

 

[superbee]

Apparently the girls disappeared early Friday afternoon. I am hoping that at least one person has a kitchen with a window, and/or a deck facing over the lake with a good view. I am hoping too that at least one person was at their sink in front of a window and could see the lake. Where I live there are lots of lakes with homes with good lake views. I pray at least one person with a good view of that lake that day saw 'something' and can relate it timewise--with a phone call received at a certain time, or a certain tv show (soaps usually are more exciting on Fridays), or they were out in their yard and glanced at their watch. Anyone who, hopefully, has come forward and said they saw the girls, or the bikes, or the paddleboater or fishermen out on that lake in a certain time frame.

 

[Jules71]

It was reported both that the cyclist who saw the girls' bikes reported the sighting to the PD and also approached officers at the lake. There is a picture of him talking with the officers at the lake. My question is when did he go to the PD to report it? After he talked with officers at the lake during the search? And what was he doing there for 3-4 hours that day?

"As the group searched, a bicyclist stopped the officers to say he saw the two kids bikes on the trail at about 12:20 p.m., but no sign of the children.

Ted Gamerdinger of Waterloo said he rides the trail often.

“I saw the bikes laying on the path and had to swerve to miss them,” Gamerdinger said. He then went to the Evansdale Police Department to report the sighting."

Read More: http://wcfcourier.com/news/local/au...217-11e1-aec0-0019bb2963f4.html#ixzz21TZfAxVj

 

[Prentiss]

Yep, they were doing what we call missing member. In a family situation there is likely to be a lot of cross contamination on the scent articles (Mom picking up the laundry, brother's laundry being dropped on top, toothbrush being moved by someone else, and so on...) so this allows the dog to tell who is still there and what scent is on there that "doesn't belong" if you will. Does that make sense? If I did a cruddy job of explaining please feel free to go "huh???" and I'll try again!

Thank you, you explained it perfectly.


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[princesspjs]

Do they actually say, “congratulations, you’ve passed with flying colors”? I’ve not had the dubious pleasure of undergoing a polygraph…

I wonder if there's jumping, cheering and clapping involved when this is announced?

IMO, JMO, MOO

 

[CN2Souls]

I think LE has the Last KNOWN sighting of the girls at 12 :15 from the Video.

The 12:20 Bikes are a different sighting they are not used as a "Known Girls Sighting"... because they are not sure if the girls were there with the bikes...

(I think that makes sense..)

 

[JaimeInLA]

He waited until he heard that the girls were missing. It was later in the day on Friday. The article you were looking at is showing him talking to LE again. Probably just going over the details again.

I don't know why you think the police aren't using his sighting in the timeline. This is what the 12:20 time is based on. :waitasec:

How do you know that he talked to them Friday and then again on Monday? The 2 links someone provided on the last page indicated that he had come forward on Monday. (If he did talk to them on Friday at 4, which I thought I had heard, that is really odd. The bikes were found at 4pm. There is no way that word was out all over the entire community already. It is too soon for him to have heard the girls were missing.) I cannot find one link that says he made the report on Friday though. It looks like it was Monday.

Reporters asked about him in the Friday press conference (3 days ago) and were told that Abben was unaware of him. Every timeline I have seen released by the police or discussed by them only says they were last seen at 12:15 and that their bikes were found at 4pm. None make mention of a bike-sighting at 12:20.

Do you have a link to one that does?

 

[Wondergirl]

Sarx, what are the types of dogs normally trained for cadaver searches, and why are bloodhounds used?

Are bloodhounds from the local prisons trained to search the same way as other SAR dogs?

Thanks!

 

[Truman]

It was reported both that the cyclist who saw the girls' bikes reported the sighting to the PD and also approached officers at the lake. There is a picture of him talking with the officers at the lake. My question is when did he go to the PD to report it? After he talked with officers at the lake during the search? And what was he doing there for 3-4 hours that day?

"As the group searched, a bicyclist stopped the officers to say he saw the two kids bikes on the trail at about 12:20 p.m., but no sign of the children.

Ted Gamerdinger of Waterloo said he rides the trail often.

“I saw the bikes laying on the path and had to swerve to miss them,” Gamerdinger said. He then went to the Evansdale Police Department to report the sighting."

Read More: http://wcfcourier.com/news/local/au...217-11e1-aec0-0019bb2963f4.html#ixzz21TZfAxVj

Perhaps the reporter meant "officers of the EPD", not the actual station? Hmmm...

 

[princesspjs]

Sarx-
If this trail is a place that these girls ride their bikes and play on a daily basis, would their scent already be all over the place, even if they weren't there THAT day?

(I'm not saying that I don't think they were there that day...but what if....)

 

[Considering]

She says she passed - but the FBI lady refused to comment.

I think it's normal for them to refuse to comment.

 

[Marilynilpa]

He waited until he heard that the girls were missing. It was later in the day on Friday. The article you were looking at is showing him talking to LE again. Probably just going over the details again.

I don't know why you think the police aren't using his sighting in the timeline. This is what the 12:20 time is based on. :waitasec:

Also, even if LE didn't use his time of seeing the bikes in their timeline, that wouldn't indicate that the biker was not credible.

I think way too much time is being speculating on this man, IMO.

 

[princesspjs]

How do you know that he talked to them Friday and then again on Monday? The 2 links someone provided on the last page indicated that he had come forward on Monday. (If he did talk to them on Friday at 4, which I thought I had heard, that is really odd. The bikes were found at 4pm. There is no way that word was out all over the entire community already. It is too soon for him to have heard the girls were missing.) I cannot find one link that says he made the report on Friday though. It looks like it was Monday.

Reporters asked about him in the Friday press conference (3 days ago) and were told that Abben was unaware of him. Every timeline I have seen released by the police or discussed by them only says they were last seen at 12:15 and that their bikes were found at 4pm. None make mention of a bike-sighting at 12:20.

Do you have a link to one that does?

It was in the first link I posted about 2 threads ago. Unfortunately, that article is no longer available.

I'm finding out the hard way that each time you go back to an article, it has been edited, updated and completely changes from the first time you post the url. This sucks because it makes it impossible to keep a clean link trail.

 

[Jules71]

I think maybe we all just assumed Ted Gamerdinger reported the bike sighting on Friday because we read it on FB initially by the man's daughter saying as soon as he heard the girls were missing he reported it. He would have heard they were missing before Monday though right? Maybe we need to look back at previous threads and see which day we first started talking about this.