IA IA - Elizabeth Collins, 8, & Lyric Cook, 10, Evansdale, 13 July 2012 - #7

[Simp]

I wish better information was provided. Writing that her heart 'gave out' and she was 'shocked back to life' is very poor, IMO. Did she faint from V-tach? A-fib? Was it congenital? Acute? Probably o/t of me to pick like this, but it's always best to convey actual information vs giving the sense the author knows not what he writes.

I have a guess but I will keep it to myself!!

 

[GGE]

Okay I just took a screen shot of the video camera from the first released (Lederman's with the 12:13 time stamp) footage,

THEN

took another screenshot of the video camera from the second released (Cornbelt Auction House with the 12:11 time stamp) footage,

AND

made this comparison for you all.

IMHO, the two surveillance videos ARE both from the same video camera (which surprises me to no end because I was convinced they were two separate cameras/tapes).

 

[Marilynilpa]

I hope that people who work for the tv station and who were present during the video taping will be able to help. Someone must have remembered something they thought was suspicious and tipped LE. How else would LE know that the outtakes would be important ? Someone had to spend some time editing the interview. I hope that person has no credibility problems and is willing to tell LE what got clipped out!

http://www.kwwl.com/story/19115317/kwwl-issued-subpeona-in-missing-girls-investigation

"KWWL reporter John Wilmer spoke with both Misty Cook-Morrissey and Wylma Cook on July 20, one day after families said they would stop speaking with police and the media after advice from an attorney."

BBM

I have watched the video several times and never heard WC say a word. Maybe she spoke before or after the episode was taped, but not during it.

Unless I've been watching the wrong video:waitasec:

 

[sweetpea33]

I'm not saying that Heather's is, but there are pacer/defibrillator combos. These days after a cardiac arrest the patient most of the time gets a pacer/defibrillator.

I respectfully disagree...my husband is 47, works out 5 days a week, is very fit and you can see his pacemaker just like in the picture of HC. I am not saying it is definately a pacemaker, but on people with a low BMI they are very visable.

 

[sweetpea33]

*** my above quote re: pacemakers was to Gracelin...oops

 

[BunnyHop]

Speaking of the white van incidents, the one where the guy parked the wrong way in the road in front of a laundromat, jumped out, touched a girls' face and told her she was pretty -- remember that? -- well, police have talked to the van driver, who voluntarily went in to speak to them about it, and they say there was no criminal intent and it was a miscommunication.

hmmmmm ok.

http://wcfcourier.com/news/local/io...cle_52807f14-d6a3-11e1-a10d-001a4bcf887a.html

I read earlier today he was cleared. He came forward.

 

[JaimeInLA]

I just noticed this. MCM stated in the JVM interview I mentioned above that it was the Greenbriar subdivision the girls were late getting back the week before. Guess who lives in that subdivision in Waterloo? JM


http://goo.gl/maps/h2H1

Wait, who is JM? Do you mean JS or JW?

 

[Mjskit]

I think the garage that JW is standing in front of in his FB profile pix looks like the same garage at the house on S. Evans Rd. I found a photograph of the home and the garage at the realtors site and it matches the garage that he is standing in front of. Yes, I know... a garage is a garage, but the colors are the same, the trim is the same, it looks like the same garage to me. MOO.

Can you post the 2 pics please?

 

[jacy]

I have a guess but I will keep it to myself!!

Apparently, I can read your mind because I'm guessing it as well.:innocent:

 

[JaimeInLA]

I think the garage that JW is standing in front of in his FB profile pix looks like the same garage at the house on S. Evans Rd. I found a photograph of the home and the garage at the realtors site and it matches the garage that he is standing in front of. Yes, I know... a garage is a garage, but the colors are the same, the trim is the same, it looks like the same garage to me. MOO.

Now THAT is some good sleuthing!! If it is the same garage, that puts him at a residence that is just a few hundred feet from where the bikes were found! Can someone do a side-by-side so we can see and compare?!

 

[Jules71]

I think the garage that JW is standing in front of in his FB profile pix looks like the same garage at the house on S. Evans Rd. I found a photograph of the home and the garage at the realtors site and it matches the garage that he is standing in front of. Yes, I know... a garage is a garage, but the colors are the same, the trim is the same, it looks like the same garage to me. MOO.

Oooh good catch. I am going to go check that out. Thanks!

I just noticed this. MCM stated in the JVM interview I mentioned above that it was the Greenbriar subdivision the girls were late getting back the week before. Guess who lives in that subdivision in Waterloo? JM

http://goo.gl/maps/h2H1

Oh boy! Coincidence? I don't think so. So we might be able to possibly place him in both locations the girls were at when late/missing.

 

[Mjskit]

Now THAT is some good sleuthing!! If it is the same garage, that puts him at a residence that is just a few hundred feet from where the bikes were found! Can someone do a side-by-side so we can see and compare?!

Which home on S Evans? The one Jules found on the lake that is for sale?

 

[BunnyHop]

I just noticed this. MCM stated in the JVM interview I mentioned above that it was the Greenbriar subdivision the girls were late getting back the week before. Guess who lives in that subdivision in Waterloo? JW


http://goo.gl/maps/h2H1

I was thinking who the heck is JM????? :waitasec:
Thanks for clarifying.

 

[JaimeInLA]

So we have dad's accomplice in a meth business missing; not showing up for court yesterday.

And we have mom's boyfriend, who has a very long history of drug arrests, at or near the scene BOTH times Lyric went missing.

Geez....that poor girl never had a chance.

 

[callyn]

I just noticed this. MCM stated in the JVM interview I mentioned above that it was the Greenbriar subdivision the girls were late getting back the week before. Guess who lives in that subdivision in Waterloo? JW


http://goo.gl/maps/h2H1

I thought they were on their bikes that day when they were late but this is a very long distance from home.

Hmmm, interesting who lives there! :what:

 

[Jax49]

Okay I just took a screen shot of the video camera from the first released (Lederman's with the 12:13 time stamp) footage,

THEN

took another screenshot of the video camera from the second released (Cornbelt Auction House with the 12:11 time stamp) footage,

AND

made this comparison for you all.

IMHO, the two surveillance videos ARE both from the same video camera (which surprises me to no end because I was convinced they were two separate cameras/tapes).

Do I understand that both cameras in the news videos are the same? Wow. I know I kept saying there were two videos. I even thought there were two different business owners (who share the same building) interviewed by MSM. Well, won't be the first or last time I was wrong.

BTW: One of the things I thought I knew about this case was that TG didn't report swerving around the bikes to the police until Monday, based on the caption of the photo. Last night I came across a FB posting by his daughter, saying he reported it Sunday.

Think I'll change my name to "Confused & Fequently Wrong".

 

[JaimeInLA]

Which home on S Evans? The one Jules found on the lake that is for sale?

Yes! That's the one!

 

[Jules71]

Rumor --

I read on fb that someone said a homeowner reported that they were away and when they came back it appeared their paddle boat had been used. Does anyone know if there is any truth to this?

 

[sweetpea33]

I thought they were on their bikes that day when they were late but this is a very long distance from home.

Hmmm, interesting who lives there! :what:

wasn't the last time they were late it was Lyric and a cousin from Waterloo?? not Lyric and Elizabeth?

 

[Ollipop]

Only on pg 15 of this thread - way behind...but compelled to get some thoughts out there:

I've only seen one video. I don't recall seeing a time stamp on the first version, only that it was claimed to have been taken at 12:15. I followed a link to the "new video obtained" (by a reporting news agency, not LE), which appeared, to me, to show the exact same video. In the previous version, it was cropped to show the area where the girls rode by, the second began with the entire screen of the video, demonstrating why the girls were so out of focus in the initial version. The reporters in both pointed at the same camera, IMO. Each report showed a shot of the camera, the camera was somewhat unique, and I believe it was the same camera, same video. The second report made a point of showing the time-stamp, which would not have appeared in the initially-released, zoomed/cropped version.

Secondly, ppl keep saying the girls were riding away from the lake. Technically this is false. The girls were riding west, we see them riding for about 20 yards, and they are over a mile north of the lake. If anything, they are negligibly closer/farther from the lake from either end of that street or video. The lake is as long, from east to west, as from Evans to River Forest in that spot (note River Forest is not a straight N-S road, but curves). To say they are heading away from the lake is like saying a football player running from sideline to sideline is running away from the endzone, IMO. And to say that the area they are riding in is impoverished or commercial is really not accurate, either. Lafayette has two large strip-mall-styled lots, each with block-wide parking lots. The rear of one block of these business is on Brovan, which is a fairly nice residential area. Yes, the immediate rear of the auction house, in the video, appears to be commercial, but I could take 100 pics from that same spot that would show it to be residential. Its a fairly innocuous spot, even at night, but especially during the day, to the extent that I doubt any parent who looked at it IRL would mind allowing their kids to ride their bikes on the road - there's very little traffic due to it being the back of the businesses. The fact that it has such light traffic makes it a great spot for kids to ride, but also there are several houses on the street, so it definitely doesn't feel secluded, hidden, or dangerous. Just saying, (and maybe a little defensive of my hometown, lol).

Lastly, a witness - apparently ignored or discounted by LE - is on record saying he saw the girls bikes laid across the path in such a way that he had to swerve to miss them. He'd made a call on his cell shortly thereafter - unconnected to the bikes - and later had extrapolated the time of "approximately 12:20" as when he saw the bikes. I believe on FB it was stated that the phone call he'd made was at 12:27 according to his phone. I do not know that or if the call was later and he was guessing that meant he'd seen the bikes at 12:27, but either could be true. I can remember seeing "approximately 12:20" in some article, but the time of "12:27," I believe, was never stated by MSM, but was mentioned on FB. (Anyone have links showing these times?) I could be wrong about that, but his picture didn't appear until in an article that was dated the following Monday. But he has clearly stated that the bikes were laying on the path. However, in a press conference several days later, the spokesman, who claimed to have no knowledge of this witness (and many other details that were reported in MSM, strangely), stated that "when he arrived," the bikes were leaning on the fence. I highly doubt he was in the first 5-15 ppl to arrive at that scene. We don't know - at least I've never seen - in exactly what state the bikes were found by the fireman who located them, whether they were lying down and he picked them up (maybe to allow LE vehicles to pass along the path), or whether they were found leaning against the fence.

On another note, I haven't followed any of the FB pages since early on. I don't know "the boyfriend's" name, or anything about him, except what I've seen here, but he seems to me to be the most-obvious POI at this time, and I'd assumed his connection to Meyers Lake was the "evidence" that the girls may be alive.

OKOK...back to catching up...at least 10 (prolly many more) pages behind.