IA IA - Elizabeth Collins, 8, & Lyric Cook, 10, Evansdale, 13 July 2012 - #8

[otto]

Anyone using the pathway between 12:20 and 3:58 could have simply put the bikes up against the fence to get them out of the way of others coming along.

That person may not have come forward with that information because they do not want to "get involved". I don't see LE moving them up against the fence until they had been thoroughly photographed and whatever else needed to be done for the investigation. But, it is certainly not impossible that LE did the moving of the bikes themselves.

I've done a lot of cycling in my life, but I would never stop and move or touch someone else's bikes. That just doesn't seem like the sort of thing that is okay to do. However, if some good hearted person stopped and moved the bikes, that good hearted person would have seen fit to come forward and give that information to police. I don't believe that happened ... because I don't believe that there's a kind hearted soul that cycled around the park, considerately moved the bikes and then inconsiderately decided to remain silent. That simply doesn't add up.

 

[threecrazykids]

Sorry, but I just have to have a mini vent :maddening:

As I sit here day after day, trying to discover what happened happened to these girls I have come to one conclusion -

I truly feel we are giving this group of people (who have on MULTIPLE occasions wrangled with law enforcement AND done time) entirely TOO much credit to be able to not only concoct, but pull off this type of heist. MOO is that they couldn't ever get away with something this spectacular. Mean or not - I just don't think they have the smarts/mental capacity to fulfill some masterminded plan to make these girls disappear without a trace.

I also feel that within this type of family dynamic SOMEONE would have ratted the other out by now. I mean Dan and Misty had a no contact order, he had beat the hell out of her, and I'm suppose to believe that she wouldn't turn on him in a heartbeat if she thought he was even remotely involved?? And not only her - EVERYONE IN HER ENTIRE FAMILY - INCLUDING HER SISTER AND HER FAMILY?

If they have, then I will eternally be amazed - but looking at how these people function as a family, talk to the media with complete disregard of how "the story goes", and have left essentially not enough evidence behind to arrest someone after TWO WEEKS - I just have to believe there is an even MORE crazy truth behind what has happened to these poor little girls.

 

[migranny]

Or, they could've just put a bullet in his head?

Maybe they wanted to hurt him in the worst way as a pay back!

 

[CHERIE.T]

My problem with that is -- why go after 2 girls? That isn't exactly Occam's razor. It seems too difficult for a random predator to target 2 girls.

Also, can you discount Dan's pre-trial hearing date? To me, Occam's razor looks more like --
Dan was a rat. People got pissed. People decided to make him pay by taking what was most precious to him.

:rocker: Great possibility IMHOO JaimeInLA. :moo:

 

[SapphireSteel]

Not sure...but (ack hate to let one's mind even wander there) but pretty sure there's maybe a 'black market' for young girls ?

I was watching something on tv the other day about a girl who was literally abducted in a car park then sold on to drug dealers as "credit". She was not offered as payment as such, but to reduce the price of her abductors drugs as he sold her on to suppliers more or less as a prostitute. As it was against her will it is considered human trafficking. Absolutely horrific, unbelievable stuff but apparently increasingly common. She was chained and raped for weeks but managed, somehow, to escape. Another joy of small town meth infestation - desperate people willing to stoop to entirely new lows to get their drugs. She was a virgin at the time.

This too was in a small, peaceful town in the US. The perp was someone she knew and trusted.

An indirect victim of meth.

lease:

 

[katydid23]

I thought she said they left about 11:30 and she saw them ride by at about 12:15. Didn't she include both times?

She did say 11:30 at first, and so did Aunt TB. But the latest timelines being given are saying the girls left the house a little after noon. So ?

 

[Wishbone]

This is a very interesting article....Nothing official but Grandma has alot to say.




Morrissey's mother-in-law, Wylma Cook, said Morrissey had been giving investigators information on other methamphetamine makers in recent months to shave time off his own possible sentence.

"Dan `narc-ed' on a bunch of people," Cook said, using a slang term for telling police about other drug users and dealers. "Everybody knows that."

Cook said Morrissey had been expected to accept a plea agreement July 12, the day before the girls vanished, but decided not to do so because he was not ready to go jail. She said prosecutors had shaved his sentence from more than 45 years to 30 years and then to 10 years, with a mandatory five years behind bars, because of his cooperation.

Prosecutor Brad Walz, who did not object to the delay in Morrissey's trials, has repeatedly declined comment on Morrissey's plea negotiations.

Cook said "it's possible" her son-in-law made an enemy through his cooperation with police, and she said investigators are scrutinizing Morrissey's associates as they search for the girls. He recently met with them to allow them to go through all the contacts in his phone, Cook said.



Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/07/2...-in-court-on-unrelated-charges/#ixzz21sBdHx65

 

[IAM]

DM had the "intelligence" to run three meth labs and distribute meth with obviously some degree of success. So, I would not underestimate his ability to concoct a scheme to get out of the hole he is in.

 

[Hippy Chick]

A lot of sexual crimes are committed by meth heads. Meth makes people horny, manic and twisted.

not always horney it makes some men impotent.

 

[CHERIE.T]

Sorry, but I just have to have a mini vent :maddening:

As I sit here day after day, trying to discover what happened happened to these girls I have come to one conclusion -

I truly feel we are giving this group of people (who have on MULTIPLE occasions wrangled with law enforcement AND done time) entirely TOO much credit to be able to not only concoct, but pull off this type of heist. MOO is that they couldn't ever get away with something this spectacular. Mean or not - I just don't think they have the smarts/mental capacity to fulfill some masterminded plan to make these girls disappear without a trace.

I also feel that within this type of family dynamic SOMEONE would have ratted the other out by now. I mean Dan and Misty had a no contact order, he had beat the hell out of her, and I'm suppose to believe that she wouldn't turn on him in a heartbeat if she thought he was even remotely involved?? And not only her - EVERYONE IN HER ENTIRE FAMILY - INCLUDING HER SISTER AND HER FAMILY?

If they have, then I will eternally be amazed - but looking at how these people function as a family, talk to the media with complete disregard of how "the story goes", and have left essentially not enough evidence behind to arrest someone after TWO WEEKS - I just have to believe there is an even MORE crazy truth behind what has happened to these poor little girls.

Your words remind me of Haleigh Cumming's disappearance and the
comments made back then.
IMHOO

 

[katydid23]

If this is because of meth, then it's the first time I ever heard of someone abducting a child for money, drugs or ignorance. Two towns in Iowa yesterday were sights of attempted abductions.

And when those perps are finally caught, I would not be at all surprised if they were high on meth at the time they were 'hunting.'

 

[Jules71]

I know this sounds crazy, but the only other person that has keys and entry to the house for sale on the lake is the realestate agent. I looked at his profile, a family man, but hey perps come in all ways.

Someone could always park in the driveway - appear to be looking at the house and use the lake access for a paddle boat ride or walk in the woods without having keys though.

 

[cindersoot]

Can we get off the meth senarios, why isn't stranger abduction the topic? As I said before, there are many abduction attempts in Iowa right now.

 

[katydid23]

But methamphetamine is unique among drug of abuse in its sexual effects. Meth causes intense sexual arousal, particularly in men. is a universal finding in a meth lab. The pre-occupation with sex is pervasive. Children in these homes are exposed to the and inappropriate sexual activity of the adults with each other, but they are also exposed to direct sexual abuse, often violently so.

Children of all ages are sexually abused by parents of both sexes, including rape and sodomy. Children are often prostituted to dealers and cooks as payment for meth. They are left alone with people who are likely to sexually abuse them. They are also used to produce child which is a lucrative trade.

http://www.mamasite.net/index.php?main_page=page&id=145&chapter=0

 

[Confusion]

not always horney it makes some men impotent.

I was always told that it increases your want to, but decreases your can do.

 

[nikb]

I can understand how it's easy to get sidetracked with the drug use. As soon as we hear about illegal drugs, we mistakenly assume that the family has more illegal dealings and that they associate with criminals. From there, it's a short leap to mistakenly assume that the family is responsible if the children disappear. I do think that children of drug abusing parents may be less supervised and may have to grow up fast, but I don't think it should be assumed that because the parents have spiralled into the depths of drug abuse, they or their drug use are responsible for criminal acts against their family.

I am woefully far behind but catching up. I totally agree with this.

The other thing that keeps nagging at me is it doesn't seem like Elizabeth's immediate family has much in the way of drug or legal issues and it doesn't seem like Gma does either. If I'm reading things correctly it sounded like Lyric's spent a lot more time around THOSE people than around her parents. This might be totally incorrect, but that's one thing I've been trying to figure out is where Lyric spent most of her time. If it even matters...

 

[katydid23]

Can we get off the meth senarios, why isn't stranger abduction the topic? As I said before, there are many abduction attempts in Iowa right now.

Just because we are talking about meth, it does not mean we are focussing on the family. No matter who took the girls, odds are they are drug abusers, imo.

 

[CHERIE.T]

DM had the "intelligence" to run three meth labs and distribute meth with obviously some degree of success. So, I would not underestimate his ability to concoct a scheme to get out of the hole he is in.

hwow: I didnt think of that.
:moo:

 

[cindersoot]

Someone could always park in the driveway - appear to be looking at the house and use the lake access for a paddle boat ride or walk in the woods without having keys though.

Hmmmm. so true.

 

[cindersoot]

Just because we are talking about meth, it does not mean we are focussing on the family. No matter who took the girls, odds are they are drug abusers, imo.

Maybe and maybe not.