IA IA - Elizabeth Collins, 8, & Lyric Cook, 10, Evansdale, 13 July 2012 - #8

[nikb]

Is that even possible timewise?
Iirc it was said that ride would take more than 7 minutes.

I also remember reading that the surveillance camera might've been off by 8 minutes. I believe it was in an interview w/the owner of one of the stores. I'll try to find it again. If so... take the timestamp of 12:11 (I have to think 12:15 was a "round estimate" that they originally used). Subtract 8 minutes and we're talking 12:03. Add 8 minutes and we're talking 12:19. I can't remember which way they said the clock was off.

If the 12:20ish sighting that had not been confirmed by LE is accurate, 12:03 seems difficult but possible. 12:19 obviously impossible. Of course 12-anything to the official LE timeline of 3:58 is a much larger window.

 

[voxrock2000]

Im just wondering if Meth was never mentioned, then would you be on a different scenario?

If you are asking me, i have followed this case from the beginning and after considering all the information and how it has developed over time that is the scenario i suspect.

 

[iamnotagolem]

But we can't get stuck on it. We have to look outside the box.

Why are you so certain it was a stranger abduction?

 

[cindersoot]

I don't think it is the METH aspect alone that is making people look in that direction....but, the METH along with the odd behavior, crazy timeline, prior report of child missing, along with the evidence or lack of evidence, along with statistics, along with the timing of abduction to the court case, along with the supervised surveillance and walking out on LDT, along with refusing to cooperate with police...etc

Taking a polygraph is not refusing to cooperate.

 

[Portabella]

I have a totally different way of looking at it, similar but different. I think there is more to the fact that he did not take the plea. I think someone may have scared him. I think he knew something was going to happen, but did not know what. I don't think anyone called him and made any direct threats. I think he is clueless what happened to his daughter and I think he is probably beating himself up horribly about it. I think he has a big cross to bear within his own mind and heart. I feel for him, I really do.

However I am not fully convinced that this is someone from his past that he turned over on. Its possible. But, honestly in my mind this could be anyone known to either family. It could be someone who was watching the girls from church or from the baseball bleachers. I don't get a strong feeling in any set direction.

I "do" think its very convenient that one family is more dysfunctional, but I cannot lean towards one families set of acquaintance more than another, just so little to go on. I truly hope that LE is in the "know" and getting close to finding them, one way or another. I really really hope they are alive, by my heart and stomach say probably not. MOO

 

[cindersoot]

Why are you so certain it was a stranger abduction?

Because of the very recent tryed abductions here in Iowa.

 

[Sunlight]

""Dan 'narc-ed' on a bunch of people," Cook said, using a slang term for telling police about other drug users and dealers. "Everybody knows that."

Everybody?


"any prior or future criminal activities"

What did he mean by future?

They are just comin' down hard on DM...but, oddly enough, I find him quite sympathetic for some reason. MOO

 

[Marilynilpa]

Taking a polygraph is not refusing to cooperate.

If your child is missing and you refuse to take a polygraph, in my book that is refusing to cooperate. JMO

 

[SapphireSteel]

sbm

This is a very interesting article....Nothing official but Grandma has alot to say...Cook said "it's possible" her son-in-law made an enemy through his cooperation with police, and she said investigators are scrutinizing Morrissey's associates as they search for the girls. He recently met with them to allow them to go through all the contacts in his phone, Cook said.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/07/2...-in-court-on-unrelated-charges/#ixzz21sBdHx65

How recently? This implies, to me, that he had initially refused...why?

We got it straight from the horse, right here -

Black Hawk County Sheriff Tony Thompson said ..."We're not ruling anything out with regard to the investigation, to include Daniel Morrissey's criminal history, his known associates, any prior or future criminal activities," he said. "We're not ruling out any of those."


Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/07/2...-in-court-on-unrelated-charges/#ixzz21sHdZBUe


:maddening:

 

[MotherOcean]

I agree, That's some strange wording........
prepared to go to jail.
Preparing how, spiritually?
Emotionally?
Financially? IDK :moo:
I don't get it.

According to this article, DM's defense attorney knows why he didn't plead guilty.

http://www.kcrg.com/evansdaledisapp...-Girl-Faces-Trial-Amid-Search--163755026.html

Schoeberl said he knows why Morrissey did not plead guilty July 12 but declined to discuss it.

And this...

The girls' aunt, Tammy Brousseau, said Morrissey backed out of a plea agreement in the cases earlier this month because he did not want to be jailed immediately, which it required. She said she believed he would ultimately accept a plea bargain rather than take his chances at trials to reduce the potential prison term he faces.

makes no sense at all. I think I have a poor understanding of how criminal law works.

 

[cindersoot]

Who says we aren't? Why not share your scenario.

I have in an post when I began.

 

[Jules71]

I think it does matter when they left home on their bike riding adventure. The last sighting was 12:15. Was that IMMEDIATELY after they left home, OR were they out and about for 45 minutes already?

That is vital info, imo.

I think the window is much narrower than 3:30 or 4. If they girls knew they were supposed to be home by 1:30, why would they be just playing around riding at the lake from 12:15 to 4 ? I doubt they would be.

And Grandma began driving around looking for them at 12:30. She drove around town until 1:30, then they all began searching at 1:45. Nobody has a verified sighting apparently. Except for the POSSIBLE sighting of the bikes at 12:20ish.

So I don't believe they were out and about until 3 or 4. They would have been seen by more people in that case.

I believe they left Grandma's at 11:30, and met up with a 'friend.' Maybe at a home or a yard or at the lake even. Then they rode home to give grandma a quick glimpse of them, to give them more time to play around. Then they headed for somewhere quickly, and I think it went sideways immediately after they arrived.

I agree - the timing is vital. All of the articles I read referencing what time the Grandma last saw them said 11:30. Will someone please post where Grandma is quoted or on video saying she saw them after 11:30. I think someone mentioned she looked out the window and saw them or waved at 12:15. I have not seen that and would like to. Tia!


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Cook said she is "praying so hard" for the girls' safety while picking over the details of the day she last saw them, when they left for a bike ride at 11:30 a.m.
Cook said Lyric knew she had to return home shortly because Lyric and Cook planned to leave for the home they shared in nearby Waterloo with Lyric's mother, Misty Morrissey, by 1:30 p.m. Cook said she expected the girls to return for lunch or a drink of water or juice as they always did when they were playing in the heat.
"That's what's just so strange about all of it," she said.
Cook said she got nervous when they weren't back by 12:30 p.m. and started driving around town looking for them. After an hour of searching, she returned to the home. Cook said that Misty Morrissey stopped by after getting off work.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/24/wylma-cook-iowa-cousins_n_1699780.html

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Eight-year-old Elizabeth Collins and 10-year-old Lyric Cook were last seen by their grandmother around 11:30 a.m. on Friday when they asked to go for a short bike ride.

http://www.hlntv.com/article/2012/07/17/missing-girls-grandmother-somebody-could-have-snatched-them

 

[voxrock2000]

Im just wondering if Meth was never mentioned, then would you be on a different scenario?

Also, meth was not just mentioned, it and all that it entails is the central element to every aspect of this story and all the players. I cant help but look at the big picture. Trying to figure out every little detail of the timeline is getting me knowhere. We just come into this story now because some kids dissapeared, but the real story began long ago. It didnt happen in a vacuum.

 

[IAM]

Taking a polygraph is not refusing to cooperate.

Walking out on one is. So is refusing to talk any longer with investigators. This is common knowledge. LE said certain members were refusing to cooperate for a time and that it was a distraction to the case.

 

[iamnotagolem]

Because of the very recent tryed abductions here in Iowa.

I'm not sure how many alleged abduction attempts have been made, but so far none have succeeded? Correct? So somehow they can't manage to abduct one child, but did successfully abduct two?

I'm not saying its impossible, I don't have a theory yet.

Here are some statistics which make me lean away from stranger abduction.

http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PageServlet?LanguageCountry=en_US&PageId=2810

 

[Jax49]

I also remember reading that the surveillance camera might've been off by 8 minutes. I believe it was in an interview w/the owner of one of the stores. I'll try to find it again. If so... take the timestamp of 12:11 (I have to think 12:15 was a "round estimate" that they originally used). Subtract 8 minutes and we're talking 12:03. Add 8 minutes and we're talking 12:19. I can't remember which way they said the clock was off.

If the 12:20ish sighting that had not been confirmed by LE is accurate, 12:03 seems difficult but possible. 12:19 obviously impossible. Of course 12-anything to the official LE timeline of 3:58 is a much larger window.

IIRC the business owner (Pahl) said it was 8 minutes slower than his cell phone.

 

[CHERIE.T]

I also remember reading that the surveillance camera might've been off by 8 minutes. I believe it was in an interview w/the owner of one of the stores. I'll try to find it again. If so... take the timestamp of 12:11 (I have to think 12:15 was a "round estimate" that they originally used). Subtract 8 minutes and we're talking 12:03. Add 8 minutes and we're talking 12:19. I can't remember which way they said the clock was off.

If the 12:20ish sighting that had not been confirmed by LE is accurate, 12:03 seems difficult but possible. 12:19 obviously impossible. Of course 12-anything to the official LE timeline of 3:58 is a much larger window.

Excellent nikb. Thanks for explaining this.
Indeedy, biking to that area was possible in the time posted/reported. :moo:

 

[Wishbone]

How recently? This implies, to me, that he had initially refused...why?

We got it straight from the horse, right here -

Black Hawk County Sheriff Tony Thompson said ..."We're not ruling anything out with regard to the investigation, to include Daniel Morrissey's criminal history, his known associates, any prior or future criminal activities," he said. "We're not ruling out any of those."


Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/07/2...-in-court-on-unrelated-charges/#ixzz21sHdZBUe


:maddening:

Sounds just like what we have been discussing right here.....No telling where this is headed.

 

[otto]

I think it does matter when they left home on their bike riding adventure. The last sighting was 12:15. Was that IMMEDIATELY after they left home, OR were they out and about for 45 minutes already?

That is vital info, imo.

I think the window is much narrower than 3:30 or 4. If they girls knew they were supposed to be home by 1:30, why would they be just playing around riding at the lake from 12:15 to 4 ? I doubt they would be.

And Grandma began driving around looking for them at 12:30. She drove around town until 1:30, then they all began searching at 1:45. Nobody has a verified sighting apparently. Except for the POSSIBLE sighting of the bikes at 12:20ish.

So I don't believe they were out and about until 3 or 4. They would have been seen by more people in that case.

I believe they left Grandma's at 11:30, and met up with a 'friend.' Maybe at a home or a yard or at the lake even. Then they rode home to give grandma a quick glimpse of them, to give them more time to play around. Then they headed for somewhere quickly, and I think it went sideways immediately after they arrived.

They were spotted on video within a block of the Collin's house at 12:15, so we know that they were fine until that time. That was the last that they were seen, so something probably happened shortly after 12:15. That leaves 3 hours for a lot to happen.

I remember that a man said that he swerved around a bike, not two bikes, at 12:27. Since that is not part of the official timeline, chances are that the bike he saw is not connected to the missing children.

 

[shefner]

Im just wondering if Meth was never mentioned, then would you be on a different scenario?

Oh yes, we most likely would....and if the girls were never taken, we would be working a different case.