IA IA - Elizabeth Collins, 8, & Lyric Cook, 10, Evansdale, 13 July 2012 - #8

[MotherOcean]

I have a theory that 2 somebodys might have done something that somebody is helping somebody else find out information from one somebody to find out where 2 somebodys are. Academy award stuff and wires. MOO

My thoughts exactly.

 

[SapphireSteel]

I try to keep in mind that LE is talking to the perps, more than the public. their number one reason for even saying anything is to manipulate the perps.

If they wanted the perps to stick around, and not cut and run or do anything crazy, then that presser was perfect.

do you have a link?

TIA

 

[katydid23]

This is what I keep thinking and hanging hope on. Realistic? I don't know.

I have seen it in recent cases. In Sierra Lamar's and Mickey's,LE had their suspects well in sight, had them bugged and had GPS's on them, and in the pressers it sounded like they were still clueless.

eta; sierra;s killer was being tailed and bugged, Mickey's was being watched...

 

[SapphireSteel]

So...correct me if I'm wrong...Wylma Cook is the matriarch, her children are Tammy, Heather, Misty and Jeremiah...but there are more siblings too.

 

[katydid23]

do you have a link?

TIA

In Sierra Lamar's case they sounded clueless in their last few pressers. They showed the public a picture of a red Jetta and asked if any one in the public had seen one in the area south of Morgan Hill. Everyone on WS was trying to sleuth red Jetta registrations and we were criticizing LE, that they had not done that already themselves.

Then a bit later we find out that they actually HAD the red Jetta in their possession already, and had a prime suspect they had been tailing, hoping he would lead them to Sierra. They asked about the car publicly because they wanted to know where he had been driving previously.

I know that the LE that I know personally say that pressers are mostly for the perps. It is a way to communicate important, manipulative info to them.

 

[MotherOcean]

Yes. When I was looking at the site one of them said something like say whatever comes to you and it may make sense later...then when this fb thing came up I about freaked out too LOL

Well, I hope the psychic hasn't influenced LE. I mean, if this rumor is true, then I hope they are basing their actions on more than a psychic's tip. MOO.

 

[nikb]

I have seen it in recent cases. In Sierra Lamar's and Mickey's,LE had their suspects well in sight, had them bugged and had GPS's on them, and in the pressers it sounded like they were still clueless.

eta; sierra;s killer was being tailed and bugged, Mickey's was being watched...

What made me hopeful reading this was that the LE was on top of it. What made me want to cry and made me sick to my stomach is that in both cases they were watching/bugging "killers" and not "abductors of people who were recovered alive." I know I know, every story is different and I am doing everything I can to hold out hope this one will have a happier outcome.

 

[cluciano63]

In the last PC, LE was still pretty much asking for any little detail, anything anyone may think that LE already knows, call it in anyway. When LE wants the phone ringing more than it already probably is, that worries me a bit.

 

[SapphireSteel]

In the last PC, LE was still pretty much asking for any little detail, anything anyone may think that LE already knows, call it in anyway. When LE wants the phone ringing more than it already probably is, that worries me a bit.

I think they are working on a suspect right now.

They never announced the results of forensic testing of the bikes or cans of drink found, even if they got fingerprints.

 

[katydid23]

What made me hopeful reading this was that the LE was on top of it. What made me want to cry and made me sick to my stomach is that in both cases they were watching/bugging "killers" and not "abductors of people who were recovered alive." I know I know, every story is different and I am doing everything I can to hold out hope this one will have a happier outcome.

I am clinging to that same hope. These are innocent, adorable sweethearts, and i hate to think of them as anything but safe and sound. :rose:

 

[otto]

And the witness is a mature local businessman with a family and a lot of credibility. At first I thought that LE was discounting his sighting. But now I am thinking they are just trying to keep the perps out of the loop in terms of what LE knows.

If the swerving cyclist saw the girl's bikes on the trail at 12:20, then the girls had to have been kidnapped at that spot only moments earlier. There was only a 5-12 minute window of time between the bike sighting and the 12:15-ish video more than a mile away. If the swerving cyclist report is correct, then it is not possible that the bikes were taken there by the perp (per police that maybe the girls were never there), as 5-12 minutes is not enough time to kidnap two girls elsewhere, load their bikes into a vehicle, subdue the two girls, drive down the backwoods lane, haul two bikes to the path, toss the bag over the fence toward the lake, possibly re-arrange the bikes and vanish.

If the girls were kidnapped on the spot and the bikes were re-arranged from on the path (12:20) to leaning against the fence (4:00), and no officer or resident has come forward claiming to have moved the bikes, then the perp must have done it later or they are different bikes.

If the girls were taken from that spot within moments of when the swerving cyclist came along, it's surprising he didn't see anything. It must have been happening somewhere close by. I think it's worth noting that this good citizen did not lean the bike against the fence. I think there's a bit of a taboo about touching other people's bikes.

 

[smiley]

I have got to go to sleep. I have been on this is computer since 6 AM. I hope I awake to news that the girls have come home.

 

[Sunlight]

It is most interesting Otto that LE does not refer to the 12:20 time in their timeline and, in fact, the spokesman said during the presser when asked about that person who allegedly claimed to have swerved around the bikes, responded that he was unaware of that person. That is what strikes me most about that timeline. MOO

 

[katydid23]

If the swerving cyclist saw the girl's bikes on the trail at 12:20, then the girls had to have been kidnapped at that spot only moments earlier. There was only a 5-12 minute window of time between the bike sighting and the 12:15-ish video more than a mile away. If the swerving cyclist report is correct, then it is not possible that the bikes were taken there by the perp (per police that maybe the girls were never there), as 5-12 minutes is not enough time to kidnap two girls elsewhere, load their bikes into a vehicle, subdue the two girls, drive down the backwoods lane, haul two bikes to the path, toss the bag over the fence toward the lake, possibly re-arrange the bikes and vanish.

If the girls were kidnapped on the spot and the bikes were re-arranged from on the path (12:20) to leaning against the fence (4:00), and no officer or resident has come forward claiming to have moved the bikes, then the perp must have done it later or they are different bikes.

EXACTLY. Which is why I was saying it was such a narrow, narrow timeline.
Almost too narrow, imo. It is hard to believe a random perp would luck into a kidnapping within minutes like this.

Makes me think they were being watched/stalked.

 

[katydid23]

It is most interesting Otto that LE does not refer to the 12:20 time in their timeline and, in fact, the spokesman said during the presser when asked about that person who allegedly claimed to have swerved around the bikes, responded that he was unaware of that person. That is what strikes me most about that timeline. MOO

I know. I don't really know what to make of that. Since he said that 3 pressers in a row, I have to believe he DOES know about it. Denying it has to serve some kind of purpose.

 

[Sunlight]

The other thing that keeps popping out at me is that quote of him basically saying that just because the bikes were found there it doesn't tell him the girls were ever there. That just bothers me. That could be a message to the perp/perps...but I'm not sure what that message would mean. Maybe it means your ploy didn't work and we know it, or we are genuinely stumped. MOO

 

[SapphireSteel]

If the swerving cyclist saw the girl's bikes on the trail at 12:20, then the girls had to have been kidnapped at that spot only moments earlier. There was only a 5-12 minute window of time between the bike sighting and the 12:15-ish video more than a mile away. If the swerving cyclist report is correct, then it is not possible that the bikes were taken there by the perp (per police that maybe the girls were never there), as 5-12 minutes is not enough time to kidnap two girls elsewhere, load their bikes into a vehicle, subdue the two girls, drive down the backwoods lane, haul two bikes to the path, toss the bag over the fence toward the lake, possibly re-arrange the bikes and vanish.

If the girls were kidnapped on the spot and the bikes were re-arranged from on the path (12:20) to leaning against the fence (4:00), and no officer or resident has come forward claiming to have moved the bikes, then the perp must have done it later or they are different bikes.

If the girls were taken from that spot within moments of when the swerving cyclist came along, it's surprising he didn't see anything. It must have been happening somewhere close by. I think it's worth noting that this good citizen did not lean the bike against the fence. I think there's a bit of a taboo about touching other people's bikes.

Quite possible.

The only people who can confirm whose bikes they are, is the family.

Lyrics bag and phone was there too though, and LE picked up their scent so the likliehood is, it is their bikes, and they were there.

Don't forget everyone was asked if they saw two girls ON BIKES. If someone who knew they were going to the lake had already planned to intercept them, on foot, and walk away with them, or steer them to a car pulled over on the highway, exactly how long would it take?

A minute, if they went willingly...especially if they were told to hurry by someone they knew and trusted.

:moo:

 

[otto]

Maybe it is just me, but in the last PC Le gave, I got the feeling they backed off the "we believe they are alive" and kind of went with the dreaded "no evidence they are not alive" phrasing.

Thanks. I was wondering whether that had changed. There was also a rumor that they had been found (posted on facebook) around the same time.

I'm not optimistic.

 

[katydid23]

The other thing that keeps popping out at me is that quote of him basically saying that just because the bikes were found there it doesn't tell him the girls were ever there. That just bothers me. That could be a message to the perp/perps...but I'm not sure what that message would mean. MOO

I know that one of their main goals it to keep the perps guessing about how much they know or don't know.

I LE keeps saying, the last sighting was at 12:15 in the pking lot, then IF the perps actually picked them up at the lake in a van, they might feel more comfortable. Maybe loosen up and get more sloppy.

If they hear the cops say they don't kno if the girls were ever at the lake, and they are asking for any help, even psychic tips, it may make them feel confident enough to stick around. JMO

 

[Plumeria5]

Dang, guys....I'm getting' a headache. Listening to you talk about the people you can't talk about and trying to figure out who it is you can't talk about is about to do me in!

:nuts:

Ok...that's just plain funny!!:lol: