IA IA - Elizabeth Collins, 8, & Lyric Cook, 10, Evansdale, 13 July 2012 - #9

[katydid23]

I am still thinking of JW. His last name is the same name of the empty house with the green paddleboat out in front. He works for Bertch cabinets. My theory is him and a friend. Its jyst stuck in my head. Thats my theory!

I agree. sometimes. :fence:

 

[Nvgirl]

It could be the voice mail DC said he just found. Maybe he didn't just find it. Maybe it was just sent. Or they have video. God I hope it is not like the crime show where you can see them but don't know where they are. IMO

No cause this interview was after the dad came forth with that message. I am wondering of a call or a call from the perp. It just puts some crazy questions out there..maybe a runaway note, and a runaway went bad. Or what if the plans were to runaway and they found someone to help them and the guys preyed on that :-(

 

[katydid23]

Didn't the FBI say they had Evidence that the girls were alive?
I don't understand how the items you posted could mean they are alive. Please explain.

OH oops. I thought you meant evidence of what happened. sorry.

I think the last press conference was less optimistic about them being for sure alive somewhere.

 

[Mjskit]

Good luck brain storming. I am going to bed. Good night.:seeya:

 

[SapphireSteel]

Well i have read your posts as i spend hours reading and catching up each morning. I don't see your theory as i don't have time to read between the lines. So i guess you can keep it to yourself. I wasn't attacking you. Sorry if you felt that way as i remember the other day you attack me. But i will stop the tension right now and catch up on the thread tomorrow as tension is getting high in here.

Night all:bedtime:

:chillout:

Not for me.

I don't care what people say about my theories or me. I'm here for the truth, nothing more or less.

Further I do not "attack" anybody. If you feel I attacked you alert a mod. Perhaps I pointed out something which just wasn't logical at some point, in my clumsy way, and you may have gotten offended, similar to this latest incident.

It certainly isn't intentional and certainly not intended to be derogatory. hoh:

One thing that is my intention though, is to try and insert some common sense. Threads tend to go off on wild (sometimes hysterically funny in a good way...creeper boat anyone? :lol tangents which overlook known facts, and yes, this does bother me at times, especially when I am so involved in an investigation as this one and just keep reading the same old misconceptions every time I hit the refresh. :banghead: but I do try to keep that frustration to myself and I think I succeed. Mostly. My intent is to share and educate, not demean or criticise.

Those who are really serious about this case, try reading my comments sequentially and you may just be surprised. I'm a smart person and I don't post anything I haven't double checked or thought about deeply. I'm also very interested in statement analysis and am having a field day with this one, but of course most of that is TOS.


:rose:
For Lizzie and Lyric.



:moo:

 

[Sailorsgirl]

For the record, I was utterly disgusted by the CL posts I came across. No warning as to what pics would pop up or what people would be requesting!!! OMG! All those people should be considered POIs or referred to someone for psychiatric treatment!

 

[katydid23]

Almost bed time for me. Does anyone know where I can find a fisherman to have sex with on the banks of the river while he fishes?

bwahahahaaha...

As if that would ever appeal to ANYONE?! Freakshow.

Aw come on, he says he is 'disease free.' What more do you need to know?

 

[JaimeInLA]

I am still thinking of JW. His last name is the same name of the empty house with the green paddleboat out in front. He works for Bertch cabinets. My theory is him and a friend. Its jyst stuck in my head. Thats my theory!

Ditto. And he lives in the subdivision where Lyric went missing 4 days before 7/13. And has an extensive criminal record. And somebody broke up with him after the kidnapping.

 

[SapphireSteel]

He has a business, so I doubt it. But we don't know. I will give you my opinion though -- have you seen him? He does not look like someone that bikes at least 12 miles a day.

(I know - everyone got mad last time someone said that. But it is TRUE! The man may end up being the hero here, but he is not fit!)

lol I thought the same thing.

Then I thought, he might be GETTING fit. We've all got to start somewhere and maybe his doc has given him a wakeup call?

Local hearsay is he's very well respected around town and has ZERO reason to be dishonest.

 

[Nvgirl]

Maybe something on the purse or bikes? Finger prints or trace evidence?
Or maybe there are tire tracks or footprints by the bikes?
OR maybe they see a truck trailing the bikes?

BOTH of the recently arrested perps, in Sierra Lamars case and Mickey Shunick's case, were caught because of their vehicles being seen on surveillance camera near the last sightings of the victims.

Yeah but how does any of that say they are alive?

 

[SapphireSteel]

It could be the voice mail DC said he just found. Maybe he didn't just find it. Maybe it was just sent. Or they have video. God I hope it is not like the crime show where you can see them but don't know where they are. IMO

I'm thinking, cigarette butts.

Then we hear they are asking for the cash receipts for the day at Caseys....

:websleuther:

 

[GrainneDhu]

I totally agree that it was planned. 100% I think the "Lyric was late" episode 4 days earlier was some kind of dry run. Or attempt that failed.

Respectfully, how do you think that it was hidden or kept secret from Lyric's cousin, KB, who was with her at the time?

And how would a dry run in a different location work?

I imagine LE has combed that thoroughly for possible clues.

 

[Thinkzerz]

I was just in bed trying to get some sleep when something hit me... TB led everyone to Myers lake right? TB mentions Orlando on some show last night right? Didn't someone post here that someone's Facebook (i think TG's) that he was at Wonderland or something with pics of girls (not his party). Isn't wonderland in Orlando? Sorry not from the U.S and bad with geography. Just wondering if TB is leading us in the right direction once again.
I know i am really tired and again thinking outside the box.

Going back to bed just had to though that in there. Hope my mind can stop racing as to what happened and where these girls are.

 

[CHERIE.T]

Almost bed time for me. Does anyone know where I can find a fisherman to have sex with on the banks of the river while he fishes?

bwahahahaaha...

As if that would ever appeal to ANYONE?! Freakshow.

:what::rocker: Lololol

 

[JaimeInLA]

Has anyone heard an update on JC? Is he still in the hospital?

 

[Considering]

If we are working with the 8 minute time frame....

SBM to save space.

I'm not so sure that we're working with an 8 minute time frame. LE has made no mention of it. None. LE only says they have the girls seen on surveillance tape around 12:15 and that bikes were found close to 4:00.

 

[katydid23]

YES!

Even then, I see at least one other perp, because someone was driving.

Like I said, very well planned. Not some meth head who lives in a tent. :moo:

:rocker:

A 'meth head in a tent 'took the Groene children off into the woods for weeks, and raped and tortured them, killing one. Meth heads in tents can be incredibly dangerous.

 

[SapphireSteel]

Almost bed time for me. Does anyone know where I can find a fisherman to have sex with on the banks of the river while he fishes?

bwahahahaaha...

As if that would ever appeal to ANYONE?! Freakshow.

I wanna know who gets to hold the rod

:what:

 

[GrainneDhu]

I agree!

Two victims seems more difficult than one but I'm not sure that is true when talking about children.

If either child resists, it will be in the first few seconds and the perp will just make an escape. Many attempts are reported and while I believe that some of those reports are mistaken, some of them are no doubt genuine.

But if the perp has a firm grip on one child and both children are immediately compliant, I don't think two are more difficult than one.

And replying to my own post, two are actually easier to fly under the radar.

If a bystander sees an adult with two children, holding onto one while the other child trails along with them, that can be mistaken for a parent with two children (and maybe an upset parent discipling two children).

I doubt there were any bystanders within earshot but from a distance.

 

[duchessofdork]

Have we talked about this and I missed it? If so, I apologize-- I'm very pregnant and I have a 5 year old, so I'm only on after the little goes to bed and before I pass out.

http://blogs.desmoinesregister.com/...ubpoenas-kwwl-tv-video-in-missing-girls-case/

The Black Hawk County Attorney has subpoenaed video from a Waterloo television station as part of the investigation into the disappearance of two girls from Evansdale earlier this month.

KWWL-TV, an NBC-TV affiliate, turned over all raw and unedited footage of a Friday interview with Misty Cook-Morrissey and Wilma Cook, the mother and grandmother of Lyric Cook-Morrissey, 10, who vanished nearly two weeks ago with her cousin Elizabeth Collins, 8