IA IA - Elizabeth Collins, 8, & Lyric Cook, 10, found deceased, Evansdale, 13 Jul 2012 #38

[otto]

They won't test for DNA unless they have a suspect to compare it against, usually, otherwise that DNA has no purpose. It's hard to prove that any single piece of trash at a park would be linked to the abductor - even a condom, because two teens could be fooling around - especially in such a remote area. It doesn't mean they were involved in the abduction. It's easier when the abduction takes place inside a house, because there aren't as many people coming in and out of a house as a park. I doubt any trash found at the park would provide concrete evidence as belonging to the abductor(s), unless said trash was found right next to the bikes.

I would say right next to the bodies, not the bikes.

 

[carbuff]

I think this guy has committed other murders that just haven't been linked yet.

 

[TL4S]

Now that CR is in custody for MT's murder, is there still any suspicion he is linked to the Evansdale murders? I can't find many details about that case online. Is there another thread on WSs just for them?

What little I do know is CR would have been around 18, give or take, and here within the time frame police say he's been in US.

FBI profile of Evansdale says local and familiar with Seven Bridges. Since it was a local teenage hangout, and he was late teens at the time, it seems possible. Lots of dairy and other farms around that region, as well. I could see him going after younger girls because of his age and probable size then. JMO

Just some thoughts, anyway.

 

[wary]

Now that CR is in custody for MT's murder, is there still any suspicion he is linked to the Evansdale murders? I can't find many details about that case online. Is there another thread on WSs just for them?

What little I do know is CR would have been around 18, give or take, and here within the time frame police say he's been in US.

FBI profile of Evansdale says local and familiar with Seven Bridges. Since it was a local teenage hangout, and he was late teens at the time, it seems possible. Lots of dairy and other farms around that region, as well. I could see him going after younger girls because of his age and probable size then. JMO

Just some thoughts, anyway.

The two towns are 60 miles apart. That doesn't sound like much, but at age 24, CR doesn't own a car of his own, evidently. At age 18, and fairly newly arrived in the U. S., doubt that he'd have been hanging out in Evansdale unless he lived there. Now, we don't know much about him yet. If he could be traced to the area, six years ago--well, it'd be worth looking into.

 

[carbuff]

I dunno. Without knowing more about his life after he came here, and where he lived, I'm not prepared to write him off completely. If he was doing farm work, he could have lived and worked all over the midwest.

 

[wary]

I dunno. Without knowing more about his life after he came here, and where he lived, I'm not prepared to write him off completely. If he was doing farm work, he could have lived and worked all over the midwest.

Right. I believe he's worked in Brooklyn for four years, at Yarrabee's.

They certainly need to trace back everywhere he's been before that

 

[Considering]

Now that CR is in custody for MT's murder, is there still any suspicion he is linked to the Evansdale murders? I can't find many details about that case online. Is there another thread on WSs just for them?

What little I do know is CR would have been around 18, give or take, and here within the time frame police say he's been in US.

FBI profile of Evansdale says local and familiar with Seven Bridges. Since it was a local teenage hangout, and he was late teens at the time, it seems possible. Lots of dairy and other farms around that region, as well. I could see him going after younger girls because of his age and probable size then. JMO

Just some thoughts, anyway.

I don't think Seven Bridges was a teen hangout when CR, now 24, was a teen. I believe it was said that the empty lot where the pump was located at Meyers Lake had been a teen hangout in an earlier time period (60s, 70s, 80s?) as was Seven Bridges. That being said, it doesn't mean CR wasn't familiar with Seven Bridges and Meyers Lake. It would be helpful to know his location before he began working at the dairy farm in Brooklyn. Maybe we'll know more soon.

 

[otto]

When I saw otto's maps yesterday, I thought proximity alone warranted a hard look at connections.

Cristhian Bahena Rivera has facebook contacts in Tama and Marshalltown, and his Uncle had connections to Blaristown. He lived with his Uncle when he illegally entered the USA. All of these locations fall into the awareness space travel corridors connecting Evansdale and Brooklyn, with Brooklyn being too close to home for him to get away with it?

I may be completely wrong on this, I'm just looking at possibilities.

Another similarity is leaving the body 15-20 miles away from the abduction site - but that is probably common to many serial killers. With Mollie, Rivera lived between the abduction site and the body site. If he is responsible for the Evansdale cousins, I think he did not live between the abduction site and the body site. I think (and this is my own imagination) that if he is responsible for Evansdale, that it was his first murder and he was particularly careful to put distance between him and the body. Over time, someone like Rivera would become confident enough to snatch a jogger off the street in daylight and leave her body closer to home.

The illustrations are:

• his known contacts/locations in Iowa,
• 'awareness space' travel corridors,; and
• radius aligning known murder locations and bodies

 

[otto]

I think this guy has committed other murders that just haven't been linked yet.

That is very likely. The man who lured and murdered these two children probably did not stop after getting away with the double murder. We don't know what he did next, but as with Morgan Harrington and Hannah Graham, we always knew that another girl would lose her life before he was caught.

 

[otto]

Now that CR is in custody for MT's murder, is there still any suspicion he is linked to the Evansdale murders? I can't find many details about that case online. Is there another thread on WSs just for them?

What little I do know is CR would have been around 18, give or take, and here within the time frame police say he's been in US.

FBI profile of Evansdale says local and familiar with Seven Bridges. Since it was a local teenage hangout, and he was late teens at the time, it seems possible. Lots of dairy and other farms around that region, as well. I could see him going after younger girls because of his age and probable size then. JMO

Just some thoughts, anyway.

Seven Bridges Park was a recreation area, Meyers Lake was a teenage hangout in the 1970s. Seven Bridges Park shut down, in part because of bridge problems, and Meyers Lake was shut down because the highway was expanding. When was Seven Bridges Park a recreation area and what year was it shut down? Was the shut-down related to bridge collapse and construction, highway detour?

We know that Rivera was 18 years old in 2012 (if he's telling the truth about his age), that he had been in the USA for 2 years, that he did not go to school during those two years, that he worked on local farms, that he is an illegal immigrant who entered the USA with the help of his Aunt and Uncle in Iowa, that he has used several aliases, that he holds false documents, and that he is perhaps a sociopath with psychopathic tendencies - controlling and violent.

 

[otto]

The two towns are 60 miles apart. That doesn't sound like much, but at age 24, CR doesn't own a car of his own, evidently. At age 18, and fairly newly arrived in the U. S., doubt that he'd have been hanging out in Evansdale unless he lived there. Now, we don't know much about him yet. If he could be traced to the area, six years ago--well, it'd be worth looking into.

In early 2011, he was "newly arrived" in the USA at 16 years of age, not 18.

In 2012, the Evansdale cousins were murdered in July, he was 18 years old and had been in the country for 2 years.

In 2014, at age 20, he got his 16 year old girlfriend pregnant. They have a 3 year old daughter. They are allegedly 24 and 20 years old. She apparently graduated high school the same year as Mollie in 2016,

In 2018, at age 24 and with no criminal record, he is arrested for grabbing a woman off the street in daylight, stabbing her to death, and leaving her in a cornfield. That's confidence,

 

[TL4S]

Cristhian Bahena Rivera has facebook contacts in Tama and Marshalltown, and his Uncle had connections to Blaristown. He lived with his Uncle when he illegally entered the USA. All of these locations fall into the awareness space travel corridors connecting Evansdale and Brooklyn, with Brooklyn being too close to home for him to get away with it?

I may be completely wrong on this, I'm just looking at possibilities.

Another similarity is leaving the body 15-20 miles away from the abduction site - but that is probably common to many serial killers. With Mollie, Rivera lived between the abduction site and the body site. If he is responsible for the Evansdale cousins, I think he did not live between the abduction site and the body site. I think (and this is my own imagination) that if he is responsible for Evansdale, that it was his first murder and he was particularly careful to put distance between him and the body. Over time, someone like Rivera would become confident enough to snatch a jogger off the street in daylight and leave her body closer to home.

The illustrations are:

• his known contacts/locations in Iowa,
• 'awareness space' travel corridors,; and
• radius aligning known murder locations and bodies

The maps are eerie. The driving times between abduction site to body dump are both exactly 34 minutes. Maybe the 1/2 hour drive is simply part of the ritual. Or, IF CR does have some kind of mental high (what he calls "blackout") after or just prior to the killing, perhaps it takes that long for him to come down or prepare.

COD in the Evansdale case has never been released, is that correct?

FBI profile for the Evansdale killer includes a familiarity with remote Seven Bridges. In MT's case, there is a remote cornfield (with close proximity to Lincoln Wildlife Area). My ideas for why CR might be familiar to both would include:
1) Through work - from my understanding, he isn't on the milking end of the operation, but rather a handler. He would likely be involved then with the transportation (maybe not the driver, if no license) of cows to seasonal pasture grounds. His father said when he came to Iowa he worked at a "series of dairy farms." There are several in and around Waterloo and along hwy 63 between Tama and Waterloo.

2) Through hunting/fishing - obviously would knows the dump site areas, but as of yet, I've found no evidence CR hunted or fished.

3) Planning - if he knows what he wants to do before he does it, maybe he drives around looking for remote spots. This idea doesn't work as well with me because that cornfield is not nearly as remote as other spots in the area. Unless that is another indication of his evolving confidence.

Another part of the profile for Evansdale killer was they thought he used quiet coercion. This would jive with CR's story of engaging in conversation with MT. Just because he said it doesn't mean it happened, but it might also be part of his MO.

Last thought - the second car being towed on the picture posted yesterday looks older and more beat up. I'm curious if it is the car he drove 6 years ago (maybe his uncle's).

 

[TL4S]

The maps are eerie. The driving times between abduction site to body dump are both exactly 34 minutes. Maybe the 1/2 hour drive is simply part of the ritual. Or, IF CR does have some kind of mental high (what he calls "blackout") after or just prior to the killing, perhaps it takes that long for him to come down or prepare.

COD in the Evansdale case has never been released, is that correct?

FBI profile for the Evansdale killer includes a familiarity with remote Seven Bridges. In MT's case, there is a remote cornfield (with close proximity to Lincoln Wildlife Area). My ideas for why CR might be familiar to both would include:
1) Through work - from my understanding, he isn't on the milking end of the operation, but rather a handler. He would likely be involved then with the transportation (maybe not the driver, if no license) of cows to seasonal pasture grounds. His father said when he came to Iowa he worked at a "series of dairy farms." There are several in and around Waterloo and along hwy 63 between Tama and Waterloo.

2) Through hunting/fishing - obviously would knows the dump site areas, but as of yet, I've found no evidence CR hunted or fished.

3) Planning - if he knows what he wants to do before he does it, maybe he drives around looking for remote spots. This idea doesn't work as well with me because that cornfield is not nearly as remote as other spots in the area. Unless that is another indication of his evolving confidence.

Another part of the profile for Evansdale killer was they thought he used quiet coercion. This would jive with CR's story of engaging in conversation with MT. Just because he said it doesn't mean it happened, but it might also be part of his MO.

Last thought - the second car being towed on the picture posted yesterday looks older and more beat up. I'm curious if it is the car he drove 6 years ago (maybe his uncle's).

Note: Also, both body dump locations are very near large tracts of land that don't appear to be cropland and include a pond. Could this be for pasturing livestock? There aren't nearby houses, and the ponds appear too large to be lagoons. Of course, livestock are also pastured on harvested corn fields.

I'm just curious.

 

[gregjrichards]

The maps are eerie. The driving times between abduction site to body dump are both exactly 34 minutes. Maybe the 1/2 hour drive is simply part of the ritual. Or, IF CR does have some kind of mental high (what he calls "blackout") after or just prior to the killing, perhaps it takes that long for him to come down or prepare.

COD in the Evansdale case has never been released, is that correct?

FBI profile for the Evansdale killer includes a familiarity with remote Seven Bridges. In MT's case, there is a remote cornfield (with close proximity to Lincoln Wildlife Area). My ideas for why CR might be familiar to both would include:
1) Through work - from my understanding, he isn't on the milking end of the operation, but rather a handler. He would likely be involved then with the transportation (maybe not the driver, if no license) of cows to seasonal pasture grounds. His father said when he came to Iowa he worked at a "series of dairy farms." There are several in and around Waterloo and along hwy 63 between Tama and Waterloo.

2) Through hunting/fishing - obviously would knows the dump site areas, but as of yet, I've found no evidence CR hunted or fished.

3) Planning - if he knows what he wants to do before he does it, maybe he drives around looking for remote spots. This idea doesn't work as well with me because that cornfield is not nearly as remote as other spots in the area. Unless that is another indication of his evolving confidence.

Another part of the profile for Evansdale killer was they thought he used quiet coercion. This would jive with CR's story of engaging in conversation with MT. Just because he said it doesn't mean it happened, but it might also be part of his MO.

Last thought - the second car being towed on the picture posted yesterday looks older and more beat up. I'm curious if it is the car he drove 6 years ago (maybe his uncle's).

No cause of death has been revealed in Elizabeth and Lyric’s case.

 

[Fukiyama]

I just don't see a connection between CR and the cousins.

1. Given his size now, I highly doubt he would have been able to handle two girls several years ago if they had resisted.

2. Back then would have been a lot closer to when he entered the US; would his English skills have been up to the task of luring two girls off to their deaths, especially when they knew Grandma Wilma was waiting.

3. Gas is and wasn't cheap. A farmhand working for I assume less than minimum wage is not going to have the disposable income, even if he had a vehicle, to go cruising around looking for the likes of Lyric and Elizabeth as well as finding Seven Bridges and getting the girls out there.

 

[TL4S]

I just don't see a connection between CR and the cousins.

1. Given his size now, I highly doubt he would have been able to handle two girls several years ago if they had resisted.

2. Back then would have been a lot closer to when he entered the US; would his English skills have been up to the task of luring two girls off to their deaths, especially when they knew Grandma Wilma was waiting.

3. Gas is and wasn't cheap. A farmhand working for I assume less than minimum wage is not going to have the disposable income, even if he had a vehicle, to go cruising around looking for the likes of Lyric and Elizabeth as well as finding Seven Bridges and getting the girls out there.

All good points.

 

[thecatmeows]

I just don't see a connection between CR and the cousins.

1. Given his size now, I highly doubt he would have been able to handle two girls several years ago if they had resisted.

2. Back then would have been a lot closer to when he entered the US; would his English skills have been up to the task of luring two girls off to their deaths, especially when they knew Grandma Wilma was waiting.

3. Gas is and wasn't cheap. A farmhand working for I assume less than minimum wage is not going to have the disposable income, even if he had a vehicle, to go cruising around looking for the likes of Lyric and Elizabeth as well as finding Seven Bridges and getting the girls out there.

All good points. However, I don't think anyone suspected someone like him as being involved with Mollie's abduction and murder, either. He didn't match the police's profile at all.

I thought his entrance to the USA was very interesting, and my first thought was Lizzy and Lyric - however, a connection is unlikely. Unless he has connections to the Evansdale area. The Mexican population in the area is decent sized; I went to school in the area and there were a decent amount of non-English speaking kids in my classes. Mostly Bosnian and Spanish speaking students. So, it's possible a friend/relative is in the area that was he was visiting/visited - if such a connection exists, hopefully LE is looking into it and finds it.

If he has "black outs" like he so claims, that's scary and begs the question: How many times has he "blacked out"?

 

[Considering]

I just don't see a connection between CR and the cousins.

1. Given his size now, I highly doubt he would have been able to handle two girls several years ago if they had resisted.

2. Back then would have been a lot closer to when he entered the US; would his English skills have been up to the task of luring two girls off to their deaths, especially when they knew Grandma Wilma was waiting.

3. Gas is and wasn't cheap. A farmhand working for I assume less than minimum wage is not going to have the disposable income, even if he had a vehicle, to go cruising around looking for the likes of Lyric and Elizabeth as well as finding Seven Bridges and getting the girls out there.

It is not difficult to intimidate 8 and 10 year old girls and maintain their compliance . Whoever abducted and murdered Lyric and Lizzy could have shown them a weapon but I don't think a weapon would even be necessarily. We teach children about danger but we also teach them that adults are in charge and they are to do what they're told. Parents, school personnel, Sunday school teachers, store owners, etc., are all adults that children are taught to heed. Children carry that over into other situations. A stranger can give children acting up in a public place a "look" and they will stop or tone down what they are doing. There's always exceptions but the average 8 or 10 year old will do what an adult tells them to do - more so if those children are frightened.

We don't know what his English speaking ability was in 2012 but it wouldn't be necessary for him to say much or say anything at all to get the girls cooperation. He only had to present himself as a scary, menacing man and they would have been terrified, especially if they were trapped in the fenced in area beside Meyers Lake where their bicycles were found.

CR had the money for gas to cruise around Brooklyn watching Mollie and to leave her an equal distance from Brooklyn as the distance from Evansdale to Seven Bridges Wildlife Area. If he's responsible for the murders of Lyric and Lizzy, I think that money for gas was a priority so he could stalk others and engage in criminal activities.

 

[dotr]

Did CR ride a bike?
VIDEO girls riding bikes.
Video: Missing Iowa Girls Seen Riding Bikes on Surveillance Video

 

[TristanP]

I’m pretty sure Lyric would have been the same size as CR and could have kicked his without a second thought.