Found Deceased IA - Mollie Tibbetts, 20, Poweshiek County, 19 Jul 2018 #12

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How could Mollie vanish without a trace? Mother says she does not believe student ever returned from her jog - but red t-shirt 'find' and interview with convicted stalker take cops no nearer to solving two-week mystery
  • Mollie Tibbetts's mother Laura Calderwood, 54, and boyfriend Dalton Jack, 20, have revealed new clues on her disappearance to DailyMail.com
  • The Iowa University student, who was dog-sitting at Jack's house in Brooklyn, Iowa, was last seen jogging in the area on July 18
  • Calderwood said she does not believe her daughter returned to the home after her jog because the two dogs were found locked in the basement
  • Jack said: 'If someone was coming for Mollie, one of the dogs, the lab-pit mix which is the bigger of the two, would probably have done something about it'
  • In a further intriguing clue, investigators are believed to have found evidence Mollie had been using her MacBook Pro laptop on the evening of July 18
  • Mollie's mom said that all the items and clothes she took on her run, including her iPhone, FitBit, earbuds and an armband have not been located
  • It was reported that a red t-shirt linked to Mollie's job had been found, but her mom says her daughter owned two of those shirts and they are both in her room
 
  • #642
Who besides me thinks an arrest is imminent?
arrest will only be imminent if DA thinks they have enough solid evidence for a conviction. They're not playin
 
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One of the other discussions I wanted to open in reading everyone's great comments relates to probabilities.

I keep asking myself a few questions.

1. If someone abducted or manipulated Mollie into leaving, it doesn't seem to have occurred through a blatant display of force. Lamps weren't knocked over, items weren't strewn across the floor, blood splatter hasn't been found (at least yet). So what is more probable, in your minds, I'm curious? That the person who "took" Mollie is a A. masterful, highly skilled professional kidnapper...or that B. it was a person she engaged willingly? For me, either is possible, but B. seems far more likely.

2. If the person intended to abduct Mollie or convince her to leave with him (lesser possibility: her), what is more likely in your minds? That the person would choose to confront her A. on the roadside as she jogged, where cars could potentially pass by or that the person would B. confront her at her boyfriend's house--at the end of a long driveway, where only one house is close enough to possibly hear? I'm a little bit split on this myself, but because of my previous post about small town atmosphere,

I lean slightly toward A because I feel like it would be less likely to raise Mollie's suspicions if a long-time or distant acquaintance saw her walking and offered her a ride vs. if someone she hadn't seen in a long time unexplainably showed up on her doorstep. A., which is an offer to give someone who might be presumably tired a ride, actually comes off as a nice gesture...and might make someone respond in gratitude. B. might seem creepy from the get go because the person is appearing unannounced, out of nowhere in a place you wouldn't expect to run into them. (It'd be natural to run into them at the grocery store or out at a bar, but not on your boyfriend's doorstep).

I'd also like to add that in this day and age, you'd probably think it's less likely to be captured on video if you took someone by a vast cornfield than if you went to their house, as it's difficult to predict which houses may have camera-based security systems these days.

3. If you're Mollie, in which scenario are you more likely to get into a vehicle with someone without struggling or telling anyone else you're doing so? A. If the person approaches you on the road, when you're possibly tired from a previous run and watching dogs, and would just like to get home to work on your paper and be ready to work the next day? Or B. If someone shows up and wants to hang out on a night you are trying to complete a paper and have to work the next day?

I think it's clearly A. In fact, I myself would be very wary to take rides from most people, but I do think there are circumstances where I would be more likely to weigh the cost/benefit and get into a vehicle with an old acquaintance. For example, if I was tired and had a lot to do and just wanted to get home. If it was dark and I viewed a ride with a known acquaintance as being better than walking out amongst "who knows who". And if it were storming or threatening to storm.

I'd love to hear how any of you would answer A or B for these same questions.
1. A. Professional stranger or B. familiar acquaintance
2. Abductor targets her on A. a walk or B. on her porch (or by entering the home)
3. Mollie agrees to go without struggle bc A. circumstances encourage her to take a ride or B. she impulsively decides to connect with a friend.

I'm sure there's other ways of rationalizing different answers, so I'd be interested to hear what you all think.
 
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Closed for awhile.. check back
 
  • #646
Yes plenty of other sites who allow annihilation of Victims, loved ones and general random people. This site just doesn't happen to be one of them.
Dear Bravo,

Thank you for this post. Thanks to the other members who understand what we do at Websleuths.

What you post here will be on the Internet forever. Even if I delete your post there are still ways to find it on the Internet.

Your words follow not only you but follow the people you are posting about.

If you accuse someone of a crime or even suggest ever so lightly that you think they may be involved that follows them everywhere for the rest of their lives.

At Websleuths we do have a rule and that is we only discuss suspects or persons of interest if the police indicate this person could be the perp.

Of course, there are times when we break that rule but there has to be a unique set of circumstances.

Don't you think Mollie's brother, friends, loved ones, are going through enough right now without seeing their names splashed all over Websleuths accusing them of doing something to their beloved Mollie even after the police said they were not suspects?

Let's use some common decency here. Let's all abide by our long-standing rule of not discussing someone who has been cleared OK?

Thread is open for discussion.
 
  • #647
Question, and likely already covered here, if and when would the dogs have been locked in the basement under normal circumstances? Meaning was it normal for her and the Nd to do this? Would she have done this when she went for a jog, or if they left the house? Meaning were they down there so they didn’t “get into” things, etc? Tia and sorry for rehash, so many posts, doing my best.

It seems more likely she would have been abducted while jogging, imo, or someone saw her and followed her. Again confused about the timeline. Thank you for responding.
 
  • #648
One of the other discussions I wanted to open in reading everyone's great comments relates to probabilities.

I keep asking myself a few questions.

1. If someone abducted or manipulated Mollie into leaving, it doesn't seem to have occurred through a blatant display of force. Lamps weren't knocked over, items weren't strewn across the floor, blood splatter hasn't been found (at least yet). So what is more probable, in your minds, I'm curious? That the person who "took" Mollie is a A. masterful, highly skilled professional kidnapper...or that B. it was a person she engaged willingly? For me, either is possible, but B. seems far more likely.

2. If the person intended to abduct Mollie or convince her to leave with him (lesser possibility: her), what is more likely in your minds? That the person would choose to confront her A. on the roadside as she jogged, where cars could potentially pass by or that the person would B. confront her at her boyfriend's house--at the end of a long driveway, where only one house is close enough to possibly hear? I'm a little bit split on this myself, but because of my previous post about small town atmosphere,

I lean slightly toward A because I feel like it would be less likely to raise Mollie's suspicions if a long-time or distant acquaintance saw her walking and offered her a ride vs. if someone she hadn't seen in a long time unexplainably showed up on her doorstep. A., which is an offer to give someone who might be presumably tired a ride, actually comes off as a nice gesture...and might make someone respond in gratitude. B. might seem creepy from the get go because the person is appearing unannounced, out of nowhere in a place you wouldn't expect to run into them. (It'd be natural to run into them at the grocery store or out at a bar, but not on your boyfriend's doorstep).

I'd also like to add that in this day and age, you'd probably think it's less likely to be captured on video if you took someone by a vast cornfield than if you went to their house, as it's difficult to predict which houses may have camera-based security systems these days.

3. If you're Mollie, in which scenario are you more likely to get into a vehicle with someone without struggling or telling anyone else you're doing so? A. If the person approaches you on the road, when you're possibly tired from a previous run and watching dogs, and would just like to get home to work on your paper and be ready to work the next day? Or B. If someone shows up and wants to hang out on a night you are trying to complete a paper and have to work the next day?

I think it's clearly A. In fact, I myself would be very wary to take rides from most people, but I do think there are circumstances where I would be more likely to weigh the cost/benefit and get into a vehicle with an old acquaintance. For example, if I was tired and had a lot to do and just wanted to get home. If it was dark and I viewed a ride with a known acquaintance as being better than walking out amongst "who knows who". And if it were storming or threatening to storm.

I'd love to hear how any of you would answer A or B for these same questions.
1. A. Professional stranger or B. familiar acquaintance
2. Abductor targets her on A. a walk or B. on her porch (or by entering the home)
3. Mollie agrees to go without struggle bc A. circumstances encourage her to take a ride or B. she impulsively decides to connect with a friend.

I'm sure there's other ways of rationalizing different answers, so I'd be interested to hear what you all think.

I really like your thinking here, but I think you’re leaving out a game changer, one that plays for both a known and unknown assailant. A gun. Both a person known and unknown, could have coaxed her into his vehicle at gunpoint, and she’d be unlikely to resist. She would have put up one hell of a fight otherwise (not to say she necessarily didn’t ).

If it is a person she knew, then there should be digital evidence of some sort of contact or prearranged meeting.

If it was an unknown person committing a crime of opportunity, it complicates things significantly. In that case I think she’d be much more likely to have been taken outdoors, as entering a random home with no idea who is there, is a risk.

If she was taken while indoors, I’d say that an acquaintance would be the more likely culprit. I’m undecided between if she knew the perpetrator or not though, because there simply isn’t enough evidence to say one way or another.
 
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Question, and likely already covered here, if and when would the dogs have been locked in the basement under normal circumstances? Meaning was it normal for her and the Nd to do this? Would she have done this when she went for a jog, or if they left the house? Meaning were they down there so they didn’t “get into” things, etc? Tia and sorry for rehash, so many posts, doing my best.

It seems more likely she would have been abducted while jogging, imo, or someone saw her and followed her. Again confused about the timeline. Thank you for responding.
They were said to have been put down there when they were left alone because they got into things, I believe. I don't remember if they got destructive or just messy, but the basement sounds much better for them than crates. MOO
 
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I'm confused. Why would Mollies Mom and DJ tell the DailyMall reporter all those things in the interview? The details they gave were things Winkler refused to answer today at the presser. Are the cracks starting to develop?
 
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Who besides me thinks an arrest is imminent?
I hope you are right, but I just don't know. Just when I think LE have a POI and evidence, they say something that makes me think they have no idea. After the presser on Tues (Wed? - can't remember), I was sure they were close, but after today's presser, I kind of lost hope.
 
  • #652
Question, and likely already covered here, if and when would the dogs have been locked in the basement under normal circumstances? Meaning was it normal for her and the Nd to do this? Would she have done this when she went for a jog, or if they left the house? Meaning were they down there so they didn’t “get into” things, etc? Tia and sorry for rehash, so many posts, doing my best.

It seems more likely she would have been abducted while jogging, imo, or someone saw her and followed her. Again confused about the timeline. Thank you for responding.

I've read in a couple articles that they locked the dogs in the basement when they weren't home.

here's one (even though it's daily mail) Mother of missing Iowa student Mollie Tibbetts says she does not believe she returned home | Daily Mail Online

"The two animals were locked in the basement when everyone was out but roamed freely when people came home.

'If she was at home with the dogs, she would have let them out the moment she got in,' Calderwood revealed. 'If she slept at the house that night they would have been on the bed with her.' Jack told DailyMail.com"
 
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They were said to have been put down there when they were left alone because they got into things, I believe. I don't remember if they got destructive or just messy, but the basement sounds much better for them than crates. MOO
Thanks confusion. This lends itself to then her possibly not returning from her jog? Also,last questions (for now lol), how does her MacBook activity coincide timeline wise wth the jog and Snapchat communication? Tia!
 
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I agree with all of this. My one sticking point is the glasses and contacts being found in the home. How can she run without her contacts?!
Most contact wearers have disposable lenses. She probably put in a fresh pair while the old pair was still in the case. I did this all the time when I wore contacts. I don’t think my husband would have had any idea. He would have thought that if contacts were in the case, I wasn’t wearing any.
 
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I'm confused. Why would Mollies Mom and DJ tell the DailyMall reporter all those things in the interview? The details they gave were things Winkler refused to answer today at the presser. Are the cracks starting to develop?
I wondered this also. Did LE approve this interview, or did they do it on their own?
 
  • #656
I've read in a couple articles that they locked the dogs in the basement when they weren't home.

here's one (even though it's daily mail) Mother of missing Iowa student Mollie Tibbetts says she does not believe she returned home | Daily Mail Online

"The two animals were locked in the basement when everyone was out but roamed freely when people came home.

'If she was at home with the dogs, she would have let them out the moment she got in,' Calderwood revealed. 'If she slept at the house that night they would have been on the bed with her.' Jack told DailyMail.com"
Thank you Go Jacks, can we assume from this then it’s likely she was abducted off site? Or upon immediately leaving or reaching the house? Thoughts, tia. Again sorry for rehash, trying to keep up with the latest. What /where is the most up to date timeline here as we know it?
 
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I just have a hard time wrapping my mind around the ‘no locking doors’ mentality. I grew up in a small town like that and I can remember when that wasn’t a necessity. But that was 20 years ago and things have changed. I can see the boyfriend being that way but I just have a difficult time imagining a female thinking that way.
 
  • #658
I'm confused. Why would Mollies Mom and DJ tell the DailyMall reporter all those things in the interview? The details they gave were things Winkler refused to answer today at the presser. Are the cracks starting to develop?
I hope so! This "keep everything super secret" strategy doesn't seem to be working, that family should start singing!
 
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Thank you Go Jacks, can we assume from this then it’s likely she was abducted off site? Or upon immediately reaching the house? Thoughts, tia. Again sorry for rehash, trying to keep up with the latest.
I think that’s a solid assumption.
 
  • #660
when u jog u r vulnerable, distracted, and highly observed by onlookers u don't even know r there

I may be in the minority on this but I used to always take my phone on my jogs. Now, I leave it at home. Depends on how you carry it, I suppose. But I feel like, unless the phone is strapped to your arm, it is a distraction and can make you less aware of your surroundings.
 
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