Found Deceased IA - Mollie Tibbetts, 20, Poweshiek County, 19 Jul 2018 #16

[Beth11311]

Completely aside from whether I think that Mollie is still alive and being held captive (unusual, and not at the top of my possible/probable list) I do find it some
of what Dad is saying to be interesting, and I assume he is being coached unless he himself is a psych with background in this particular sort of situation (doubtful). Much of what he said along the lines of “you made a mistake, but fix it before it’s worse” etc. feels coached (because of course he doesn’t really feel that way - I’m sure he wants to wring the neck of whomever is responsible), and is designed to speak to the individual. And so I’m curious if FBI has coached him on what to say, etc. I don’t think this is necessarily Dad just coming up with all he said. It’s pretty textbook, IMO.

 

[GhostGhost]

Today, DNA evidence would be pretty useful ruling in or ruling out a husband.

Serial Masked Trucker/ Killer

In his Truck Cab they found this:

“We also found a movie inside of a DVD player. That movie's titled "Hunting Humans." This movie is about a serial killer that goes around randomly killing people without any motive or reason, other than to just kill people.”

Family under attack stops serial killer

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[rosesfromangels]

Well geez....don’t get whiplash!

Ahahahahahaha. No offense to the good guys of the world.

 

[IceIce9]

People have done this in the past. People with kids and a spouse, a career and mortgage. Do you think anyone expected them to abandon their lives? Do you think there was evidence that they were cold, callous and mentally ill before they did it? No, most likely not. It isn’t unheard of for people to stage their own disappearance and not make contact despite the heart wrenching search going on for them.

It would be really, really difficult for her to purposely make herself disappear with the amount of nationwide media coverage, and her picture everywhere.

 

[rosesfromangels]

He is reminding me some of Mark Klaas. Really amazing under the pressure. Hopefully this outcome is better than Polly’s

Agree! Definitely reminds me of the classy Mr. Klaas.

 

[MassGuy]

People have done this in the past. People with kids and a spouse, a career and mortgage. Do you think anyone expected them to abandon their lives? Do you think there was evidence that they were cold, callous and mentally ill before they did it? No, most likely not. It isn’t unheard of for people to stage their own disappearance and not make contact despite the heart wrenching search going on for them.

Yes they absolutely have. But the circumstances in this case are no way indicative of someone wanting to leave and start anew. Not with all these positive things going on in her life. “I’m going to go on a run, do my homework, and then disappear off the face of the earth,” doesn’t hold water for me.

 

[rosesfromangels]

You can also find a variety of drugs in a hospital much like the regional medical center where MT works part time.

Whoa....bingo.

 

[clearskies1]

Completely aside from whether I think that Mollie is still alive and being held captive (unusual, and not at the top of my possible/probable list) I do find it some
of what Dad is saying to be interesting, and I assume he is being coached unless he himself is a psych with background in this particular sort of situation (doubtful). Much of what he said along the lines of “you made a mistake, but fix it before it’s worse” etc. feels coached (because of course he doesn’t really feel that way - I’m sure he wants to wring the neck of whomever is responsible), and is designed to speak to the individual. And so I’m curious if FBI has coached him on what to say, etc. I don’t think this is necessarily Dad just coming up with all he said. It’s pretty textbook, IMO.

Yes, see post #177 above which relates to this.

 

[Deleted member 718]

Until he states otherwise for me, he is having an active conversation with a daughter to come home. This is an active investigation with strategy and he is doing his part well under the pressure. It is part of providing the person an opportunity to have a reason things got misunderstood and out-of-hand (a reasonably acceptable out.) It has been done well.

Yes, and an active conversation with the person who took Mollie. Dad is forgiving and compassionate.

“Let all bitterness and wrath and anger and clamor and slander
be put away from you, with all malice,
and be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another,

 

[Alethea]

Ever read about Michael Swango? Maybe the worst mass murderer. He completed medical school at S. Illinois. His case is documented in the book 'Blind Eye'.

That was nuts! So many opportunities to stop him but no one wanted to believe such a handsome and promising doctor would do these things.

 

[mrsu]

I don’t know. I’m not feeling confident. I mean, I’m glad her dad has hope but what’s he going to say “I think she’s been raped, murdered, and buried?” Probably not. Sorry, don’t mean to be harsh. I hope she comes back safely but I don’t have a good feeling.

 

[renarde]

Maybe a pig swallowed the Fitbit.

 

[DocBrew]

Here are some good impressions of greatly controlled investigation that I see from this press release:

• This last article shows, in my humble experience, we are having an active conversation.
• The Father is letting this person know he made a mistake but it is understandable. You misunderstood MT's intentions. This is a classic investigative technique and good strategy.
• The Father is letting him know he can correct or limit what he has done.
• The Father and the team have decreased the pressure by toning down the temperature of the investigation give this time and space to come to a more hopeful outcome.
• The Father has done what he needed to do which under the circumstances is just well-done.
• It looks like we are speaking to one person that is known and identified.

This is a lot of insight for me. I hope it works.

Indeed. And if - big IF - it is farmer John in his crosshairs then it also makes sense that the FBI is frequenting his place for very BRIEF stints. Re: they would be building rapport with him in a "we know ya did nothin' wrong but we sure 'preciate ya helpin' us" good ol' boy kind of schtick. Hey, it works.

JMO.

 

[InvSmith]

Completely aside from whether I think that Mollie is still alive and being held captive (unusual, and not at the top of my possible/probable list) I do find it some
of what Dad is saying to be interesting, and I assume he is being coached unless he himself is a psych with background in this particular sort of situation (doubtful). Much of what he said along the lines of “you made a mistake, but fix it before it’s worse” etc. feels coached (because of course he doesn’t really feel that way - I’m sure he wants to wring the neck of whomever is responsible), and is designed to speak to the individual. And so I’m curious if FBI has coached him on what to say, etc. I don’t think this is necessarily Dad just coming up with all he said. It’s pretty textbook, IMO.

He is spot-on textbook. He is masterfully controlling what would be our normal reaction to me. I cannot imagine the suffering.

 

[InvSmith]

Indeed. And if - big IF - it is farmer John in his crosshairs then it also makes sense that the FBI is frequenting his place for very BRIEF stints. Re: they would be building rapport with him in a "we know ya did nothin' wrong but we sure 'preciate ya helpin' us" good ol' boy kind of schtick. Hey, it works.

JMO.

Agree. Just so much land to cover.

 

[Beth11311]

Yes they absolutely have. But the circumstances in this case are no way indicative of someone wanting to leave and start anew. Not with all these positive things going on in her life. “I’m going to go on a run, do my homework, and then disappear off the face of the earth,” doesn’t hold water for me.

Not to mention that I think it’s a lot harder to drop off the grid without a trace successfully at her age.
Additionally, if your going to disappear, why do it in your sweaty running clothes? Why disappear with only a jogging bra and shorts? If you’re planning to disappear, you would probably at least change into clothing that wasn’t soaked in sweat, etc. Sure, she could have purchased/had other clothing with her waiting to go but I think LE/FBI etc would have found that out already.

 

[NewYork625]

MT's VSCO account is very interesting. I can see why some think she might have taken off willingly. I can also see why some might think she was with someone.

 

[Veracity]

More missing persons cases are resolved more quickly today, then 10+ years ago, mostly because of technology

The FBI designates severe, urgent missing person cases as “endangered or involuntary.” Approximately 15% of missing person cases are given that classification each year; most of them are applied to children.

There are as many as 100,000 active missing persons cases in the U.S. at any given time

The fact that every day that passes, every hour that passes, the less likelihood of a missing person being found alive and well is a fact that can’t be disputed. I have plenty of anecdotal evidence, but certainly am not willing to do a ton of research as of this moment because I am already spending an obsessive amount of time on this.

Here is the link for the 2017 FBI MiSSING PERSON NCIC REPORT/DATA -
2017 NCIC Missing Person and Unidentified Person Statistics

Look under MISSING PERSON FILE for the following sentence -

"As of Dec 31, 2017 there were 88089 missing person cases... 36.5 percent or 32,121 were juveniles..."

Now get your calculator out and do some math.

I believe you will find that 36.5 percent of 88089 is actually 32,151 not 32, 121.

So which is wrong the percentage or the whole number?

I could keep you busy for over a year when it comes to the number crunching where Missing Persons are concerned in the USA.

It is shameful in my opinion. And sloppy and disconnected and ripe with conflicts and impossible to reconcile.

I tried for several years. There are just too many oddities.

Mollie's case highlights a few -

She is 20. In IA that is ADULT for NCIC that is JUVENILE.

In IA she is classified as "OTHER ADULT MISSING"
Missing Persons

That won't work for the FBI because of Mollie's age.

One reason why I hoped the FBI would take the lead. We seem to care more about children than adults when it comes to mobilizing and searches. That is why CART exists and rapid response teams train and have over a 90 percent success rate of finding children.

I had to wonder though with what you pulled - not sure of the source? - if you think the FBI should be involved at all with Mollie's disappearance?

The FBI could not have considered Mollie as involuntary on their own, that comes from the SHERIFF.

So along with the DATE of the MISSING PERSON REPORT is the INCIDENT TYPE also wrong?

http://www.dps.state.ia.us/DCI/fieldoperations/IowaMissingPersons2018AnnualReport.pdf

 

[1987]

Whoa....bingo.

and likely kept under lock with only charge nurse having the key and a witnessed count done to the ml at each shift change. narcotics and anesthesia drugs are not easy access drugs in a hospital.

 

[renarde]

MT's VSCO account is very interesting.

Really? How so?