Found Deceased IA - Mollie Tibbetts, 20, Poweshiek County, 19 Jul 2018 #20

[BelleIsle]

- So are you saying Des Moines to Jackson, south to Pershing, east on Pershing to Mills? Because NH said he saw her jogging on Pershing but Jackson and Pershing is four blocks from his house. We could speculate she ran west on Pershing on her way home, but my second point confuses that because both can't be true.
- There are also comments floating around WS about her running 'towards the funeral home' on Pershing, so that wouldn't fit that. However, I cannot substantiate that comment through any video or article means at this time and would LOVE to see where that came from.

I can't say how she got to Pershing, but it is part of my loop theory. I had thought she was seen near (not at) the corner of Jackson and Pershing. I am trying to make sense of her sightings and how she got to East 2nd and then ran west from there, toward bf's house.

 

[MntnHiker]

The one witness (I forget which one) had said he saw her walking nonchalantly past his window and said she had a phone. It's possible she did text her mom while on the run. Maybe she stopped to walk for a bit and texted her then.

How close is this witness to the BF's house? If it's near the beginning of her run, she may have still been warming up and therefore walking and also texting. JMO

 

[Parks]

My take on a timeline... she texts mom and agrees to dinner before 7:30. She takes her run but makes it back home safely. This would corroborate the neighbors interview that LE told him her Fitbit data informed them she ran past his home but got back safely. She does a little homework, snapchats a selfie to bf, perhaps is ambivalent about brats but wants the car for work the next day. This would make it about 9. Decides to walk to mom’s house. This is when I think something happened. It could be a stranger abduction or someone she’s seen in town who seemed harmless and offered her a ride because it’s getting dark. Fitbit and/or iPhone last pinged (or were located) near the farm. Hence, the repeated visits by LE, polygraph etc... I do thing the pig farm is significant, but not because of the farmer, more because of evidence located in the proximity. It could be when her devices were destroyed or tossed out a car window. From there, I hope LE knows...
MOO

 

[Vedder]

If anyone wants to accurately know what he said go to Facebook and read it yourself. You can’t just misquote him then tear apart what he didn’t even say in the first place.

Thank you.

Moooo

 

[NewYork625]

Not sure what post you are talking about...more info please?

A recent video about the Iowa State Fair. I was thinking the Brooklyn, NY connection/human trafficking might be related. It seems to be something on some of the locals minds, and might explain the lack of warning to local residents that there is someone dangerous among them still. State Fair booth hits close to home for Brooklyn residents

 

[mountainguy777]

Brooklyn looks like an all-American little town. Very cute. The more I see pics of it, and realize the interstate is 3 miles from there, and the house mollie was staying at is off the beaten path, I can’t see this being a stranger abduction without local ties. Yes, possible, but I’m leaning heavily towards local.

 

[tabitha111]

Lateott and I are on the same page. I'm assuming LE knows what we have dug up but what if they don't?

I asked her privately to share her findings with the LE tip line and she said she would. Not sure of course if that happened.

 

[goodprayers]

In New York, just a few years ago, a young woman Karina Vetrano , who had an extremely open social media presence was killed while jogging in her close knit neighborhood. Her body quickly found by her father in the secluded tall grassy area (but adjoining residential streets) they usually jogged in together. This was the rare evening that he was not up to accompanying her, so she was alone. There was so much speculation, as with Mollie, that it could likely be a stalker from social media or acquaintance that knew she was alone. Turned out to be a horrible crime of opportunity when she crossed paths with a young stranger who took his frustration and anger out on her. I believe we will all eventually know what has transpired with Mollie, but this torturous, I'm sure for those who know and love her.

 

[gobble]

My take on a timeline... she texts mom and agrees to dinner before 7:30. She takes her run but makes it back home safely. This would corroborate the neighbors interview that LE told him her Fitbit data informed them she ran past his home but got back safely. She does a little homework, snapchats a selfie to bf, perhaps is ambivalent about brats but wants the car for work the next day. This would make it about 9. Decides to walk to mom’s house. This is when I think something happened. It could be a stranger abduction or someone she’s seen in town who seemed harmless and offered her a ride because it’s getting dark. Fitbit and/or iPhone last pinged (or were located) near the farm. Hence, the repeated visits by LE, polygraph etc... I do thing the pig farm is significant, but not because of the farmer, more because of evidence located in the proximity. It could be when her devices were destroyed or tossed out a car window. From there, I hope LE knows...
MOO

Is there any record of searches having been conducted other than the farm and (to some degree) the place of the witness who had seen her in the street? Any record of LE looking at mom's house at all?

 

[EJB123456]

Although there is no confirmation from neighbor R. Thompson on what street he saw Mollie "walking nonchalantly," it is in my opinion he had to see her walking east on W. Des Moines Street.

Looking back at his interview video, if you look closely in the video, he is gesturing with his hands in the direction of W. Des Moines Street.

Furthermore, he is talking on his front porch, and in the background you can see some sort of longboat or wagon on his right shoulder side. If you Google map his location using the street view feature, you can see that same longboat/wagon right off W. Des Moines St.

Near the end of the video, the camera also takes a close-up look on the W. Des Moines St. street sign.

He states "she had to go either north or south." Why? Because at the end of W. Des Moines street, there's no other option.

Why does this matter? Because if Mollie was running east on Pershing Drive, "up the hill" on East 2nd Street, etc. how the heck did she end up walking east on W. Des Moines St., the same street where the bf's house is?

Maybe, just maybe, she made it home after the run then walked towards mom's house where "something" happened.

I'm right there with ya. Have you looked at @Jennifermn 's Google Map: Possible Eye Witness Sightings of MT - Google My Maps

It's excellent. I really really really need to know where 'running on Pershing towards the funeral home' came from because that does not fit anything. Running west on Pershing maybe.

 

[Q.E.D.]

Although there is no confirmation from neighbor R. Thompson on what street he saw Mollie "walking nonchalantly," it is in my opinion he had to see her walking east on W. Des Moines Street.

Looking back at his interview video, if you look closely in the video, he is gesturing with his hands in the direction of W. Des Moines Street.

Furthermore, he is talking on his front porch, and in the background you can see some sort of longboat or wagon on his right shoulder side. If you Google map his location using the street view feature, you can see that same longboat/wagon right off W. Des Moines St.

Near the end of the video, the camera also takes a close-up look on the W. Des Moines St. street sign.

He states "she had to go either north or south." Why? Because at the end of W. Des Moines street, there's no other option.

Why does this matter? Because if Mollie was running east on Pershing Drive, "up the hill" on East 2nd Street, etc. how the heck did she end up walking east on W. Des Moines St., the same street where the bf's house is?

Maybe, just maybe, she made it home after the run then walked towards mom's house where "something" happened.

The other thing that struck me was that RT said she had a phone, which, if it were in her jogging holder on her arm, I doubt he would have noticed. My guess, although nothing was mentioned, was that she was using her phone, most likely texting or using SM. She either stopped running to use the phone, or she was using her phone during a later walk. The content of such communication, if it is somebody she knows that is responsible, may prove pivotal in explaining what happened to her.

I am sure the FBI is either trying to get that content, or already has it.

 

[MsBetsy]

Welcome to my life. I too have a 20 year old daughter that goes to school and works PT. She is a free spirit and comes and goes as she pleases. Because I had an overprotective mom that demanded an unrealistic time table from me when I was 20 and living at home (had to be home at 10:00 on weekend nights LOL) I gave my own kids more freedom. As a result of that I am frequently texting her to find out if she is coming home for dinner, what time she will be home, coming home right after work or visiting a friend. Blah blah blah. Even though I have asked her a million times to in the very least text me if she is not coming home at night, still there are times she does not. What this has resulted in basically is not planning on her for dinner because half the time she says she will be home she may in fact come home and change and go out to dinner with friends. Same when she doesn't come home. I got so frustrated that I asked her friend who is very responsible to her own mom, to text me if my daughter is staying with her. She did and now my daughter has taken it upon herself to do it herself as she should. I am always telling her that if she doesn't she could find herself gone missing and I would have no idea she was taken simply because she didn't let me know what she was doing. Hours matter in these cases so parents just have to continue to instill upon their young adult children that keeping in contact with their parents or even a friend to let them know what they are doing is a good habit to get into.

For a last resort I DID tell my daughter and my older daughter as well, you think it is me treating you as a child when I ask these questions BUT, God forbid anything horrible like this happen and you find yourself in a life threatening situation, you WILL be calling for mom and dad and definitely wishing you took their advice. I know that because I found myself in such a situation once before and I was no longer a child nor living at home. Kids want their parents to rescue them as they are growing up and parents want to be there to do just that. They can't be if they don't have a clue where you are.

Not sure what you are getting at, but by all accounts, this was the norm within their family dynamics. It was not a sit down dinner but a " come if you can, or if you want, there will be food here". This was not unusual and would not have given her mom any cause for concern.

 

[Parks]

Is there any record of searches having been conducted other than the farm and (to some degree) the place of the witness who had seen her in the street? Any record of LE looking at mom's house at all?

I haven’t seen that mom’s home was searched specifically. Although, I’m sure it was. I read that brothers, bf and bf brother were cleared. Now sure how they could clear her siblings without searching mom’s home. Although, you may have a point. Do we know if brother lives with mom?

 

[Seattle1]

I apologize if this has been addressed, but it’s been nagging at me. The brother said he messaged her about using the car (the night before I believe) and no response from Mollie...what I don’t understand is A.) is that typical that she doesn’t respond and no one follows up? I have 2 brothers and if we were sharing a car for the summer he would have at least messaged back and said “okay I’m taking it” or something. Maybe her brother did, but I guess I just think that would be something you would want an answer on and would follow up until you got one! B.)if she didn’t take the car how did she get to work; I’m doubting there is public transportation where she was; so did she walk, jog, ride a bike, did someone swing by and pick her up. I’ve not seen addressed anywhere how she typically got to work if she didn’t use the family car.
Which is leading down this road of what if someone who knew her schedule swung by unannounced to take her to work ( a friend also home from college, an old HS friend, maybe a co worker, but doubtful) under the whole “hey thought you might want a ride” type thing.
I know I’m rambling!! It’s really been bothering me.

I, too, have wondered what the backup plan was supposed to be in the event she didn't "need" the car. Again, though, I am just rolling with the assumption that they had the family had their system and apparently, it wasn't an immediate red flag that she didn't show up to eat brats, or didn't respond to her brother's text re: needing the car. So, I doubt its an important question to answer in terms of the investigation. However, you may be right that someone who has at least a cursory familiarity with this routine could have used it as an opportunity to give Mollie a ride...and things went south from there.

Great question and it has come up here before. What was the typical way she got to work?

I believe Mollie intended on ending her jog at Mum's, grab a brat, and collect the car on 7/18. It was reported that her brother texted Mollie on 7/19, around 7:30AM, inquiring whether she needed their shared car, and Mollie did not reply. Also been reported that Mollie often drove BF truck to work, however it was not available to her on 7/19. It's plausible that Mollie was not 100% dependent on shared car to get to work-- with 3 housemates in BF house, and might explain the lackadaisical communication between Mollie and brother. MOO

 

[mountainguy777]

The other thing that struck me was that RT said she had a phone, which, if it were in her jogging arm in a holder, I doubt he would have noticed. My guess, although nothing was mentioned, was that she was using her phone, most likely texting or using SM. She either stopped running to use the phone, or she was using her phone during a later walk. The content of such communication, if it is somebody she knows that is responsible, may prove pivotal in explaining what happened to her.

I am sure the FBI is either trying to get that content, or already has it.

Or she was changing her music.

 

[gitana1]

Voice commands and voice-to-text?

That's very possible. But it just seems from what's been released that she texted her mom and then went on a jog.

 

[margarita25]

Some people kill for the thrill...or to "see" what its like to kill a person. Deviance that is not necessarily sexual, just evil.

This is a good point I have not seen mentioned yet as far as exploring motives not SA related.

(I apologize if missed, how I wish I could read every post, trying...)

 

[shanadk]

Could be a group. More than one, anyway. Two-- one driver, one spotter who does the 'grab'.

Praying for info today. +++

 

[thecatmeows]

I think what makes this case so difficult is how easy it is to relate to Mollie, at least for me personally. I've spent time scrolling through her Instagram/Twitter, and some of her posts sound like something I myself would say. After reading through her social media, it feels like she's someone I know ... it's all very eerie. I think that's why a lot of people care so much about Mollie and finding out what happened to her, because we all can see this being ourselves/our daughter/our sister/our friend/etc.

I doubt LE was prepared for this case to become so popular, nor do I think local LE was prepared to deal with a missing persons' investigation - hence inviting FBI immediately.

Honestly, this case is feeling very eerie, and I fear it's one we won't have answers for years. I hope I'm wrong, and this case gets closure sooner rather than later.

 

[MisterMayor]

My take on a timeline... she texts mom and agrees to dinner before 7:30. She takes her run but makes it back home safely. This would corroborate the neighbors interview that LE told him her Fitbit data informed them she ran past his home but got back safely. She does a little homework, snapchats a selfie to bf, perhaps is ambivalent about brats but wants the car for work the next day. This would make it about 9. Decides to walk to mom’s house. This is when I think something happened. It could be a stranger abduction or someone she’s seen in town who seemed harmless and offered her a ride because it’s getting dark. Fitbit and/or iPhone last pinged (or were located) near the farm. Hence, the repeated visits by LE, polygraph etc... I do thing the pig farm is significant, but not because of the farmer, more because of evidence located in the proximity. It could be when her devices were destroyed or tossed out a car window. From there, I hope LE knows...
MOO

It's certainly possible...and with the supposed LE comments re: returning home safely and doing homework late into the night, even likely that something happened during a second, separate trip to her mom's. The main issue I see with that is that the direct route she likely would have taken...W. De Moines to Jackson...is fairly populated along the entire route. So, if it did occur not during a run, but on a later walk to her mom's, it would seemingly point to a "friendly ride" over a stranger abduction.