Found Deceased IA - Mollie Tibbetts, 20, Poweshiek County, 19 Jul 2018 #24

[MrsWatson]

Very interesting to read everyone's reactions to the PC.

Did anyone else catch the bit about looking for someone who was around Brooklyn that evening? I don't remember the exact wording, but I took that to mean as someone who maybe was around Brooklyn during the day but generally not in the evenings. Maybe someone who works in town but lives nearby?

I also had the feeling that perhaps they do have someone very specific in mind and that person has someone close to them that is being called out on behavior changes and encouraged to contact the website. Perhaps they have already spoken to the close person who gave some indication of knowing something but wouldn't go into specifics.

The maps are intriguing. The emphasis on those particular hours is interesting.

I don't think the outcome of this is good at this point.
MOO

 

[Trino]

The high school has a cross country team, and I'm guessing more than one person runs/jogs around Brooklyn, yet I have not heard any runner (male or female) encountering a problem. Does this mean the scenario was specific to Mollie?

 

[MassGuy]

I definitely agree with the calculated part. IMO this is not a job done by a novice. This is someone who thought out the crime and like you said, had the opportunity. Possibly someone who knew the town well, but may or may not have known Mollie. It's really hard to say but I'm not getting the impression this was a crime in the spur of the moment. It seems as if no mistakes have been made thus far.

If this were a spur of the moment crime, we could potentially see the same things we have seen here. If she was abducted while jogging, we’d see her digital trail quickly go cold, as the perp would dispose of her electronics (if he had any clue what he was doing), and Mollie would disappear off the face of the earth. I’m not saying this because it’s what I think happened, just pointing out that there would be the appearance of “no mistakes,” if this is what occurred .

 

[R.U.Kidding!]

Don't feel the public is in danger!! What does that tell us?

Jumping off this post.

So I just watched the PC and read some of the posts--many disappointed WS'ers .
I think we did learn some things with this presser
1)Multiple agencies including the FBI are working the case--So small town sheriffs might not know how to investigate this type of case, but you can't say the FBI doesn't know how this plays.

2) Think about this---don't you think the perp is listening to all the news and pressers
This is meant to be a show for his benefit---They may know exactly who it is, but they need that one witness piece of info.
So they are going to go out and make ONLY generalities --I actually think they have these PC for the perp---like false advertising LOL! So he goes away thinking exactly as so many of us do---they got nothing!

3) they are confident they have an established timeline--and no they are not going to share it because it would tip off the perp. We do not need to know this because frankly what can we do with this information--nothing on our own, right?

4) the best news is a definitive " no there is no need for concern in the community".
To me that sounds like it is someone in Mollie's world of friends, family or acquaintances.
They are not interested in anyone else--just Mollie.

I am not a Pollyanna, seeing through rose colored glasses just seeing it from a more Positive view. I think all the behaviors they need us to be aware of are aimed at someone coming forward to seal the deal. They may know who it is but need that one witness to be the final nail in the proverbial coffin, so to speak.

At least it seems they still believe Mollie is alive and are following all leads--so lets just hope they have a plan and can bring Mollie home alive, right?

 

[shanadk]

based on the word 'recovery' on the website...
they are now seeking remains.

 

[BelleIsle]

Y'all, I think there are always fair criticisms of LE to be had, but I think maybe there's so much venting at LE here because we don't have a pic of some creepy dude like in the Abby and Libby case, there's no figure to vent that rage at, and the fact that someone could possibly rip Mollie away from her family and her life makes us really angry. Justifiably. But let's not project that onto those that are her best hope of coming home.

I actually think we got a lot today - the narrowing down of a 5-10pm timeframe. The areas of interest on the map. I do think it's possible that it isn't just the truck stop we're supposed to be focused on, but that exit as an ingress/egress point to the highway. Did anyone see a driver acting strangely? Did they see what they maybe thought was a couple arguing that in retrospect might be something more significant?

One good tip could blow this whole thing open.

RBBM, excellent point!

 

[ACG2x]

Looks like I didn't miss a whole lot. The areas they've put on the website seem to almost guarantee she was taken on the run. I can't imagine any other place she went missing at this point. Hopefully the last two red dots on the map will load so we can see exactly where they want us to look for. As expected, the route just keeps heading south towards Gurnsey and Deep River which matches with their searches near WC's.

 

[Tinselfoil]

I think the dad will become another Marc Klaas... even if his daughter is found alive.

Every time there's a standout parent helming matters on-camera, I am also reminded of the outlandish Balloon Boy hoax. Not that the cases appear comparable at all - although it does seem outlandish that no one appears to know anything at this point, even though she disappeared from a tightly knit town of 1468.

What did happen? LE was very remiss in not saying a thing today - just more canned info that could be interpreted one way or another, and thus served to confuse, more than anything else.

I keep thinking about the early info when LE though she could be in Utah. Still "hmm-ing" over that.

 

[Stormy21]

If this were a spur of the moment crime, we could potentially see the same things we have seen here. If she was abducted while jogging, we’d see her digital trail quickly go cold, as the perp would dispose of her electronics (if he had any clue what he was doing), and Mollie would disappear off the face of the earth. I’m not saying this because it’s what I think happened, just pointing out that there would be the appearance of “no mistakes,” if this is what occurred .

Absolutely.

You can have a spur of the moment crime carried out with some planning.

A jilted BF or a current paramour could have apprehend her to 'just talk'. Things get emotional, and suddenly you have a spur of the moment crime of passion.

No blood etc? Everyone has a consensus she was in a vehicle. Strangulation is sudden, and without a blood trail. Only DNA traces unless someone finds more 'evidence'.

 

[Mica]

Look at the McStay family case. For three years, San Bernardino LE said, "We see no signs of a crime at the house." When they finally arrested Chase Merritt, it emerged that there was physical evidence all over the house.
That's why press conferences are meaningless.

I don’t recall any physical evidence found at the McStay house. In fact it was difficult for the detective to get warrants because there was no evidence of a crime in the home upon his walkthrough. Also, LE never put crime tape up around the home while they were securing a warrant. Several days were lost. Family members were in and out of the home cleaning and removing what could have been evidence of a crime. Mistakes were made.

 

[Veracity]

How easy it is to be stalked and not know it. Here’s my personal experience. I attend a group therapy that I drive an hour away for everyday. A guy showed up at my therapy group as I was pulling in he pulled up next to me & introduced himself. He said he knew me from living a few blocks away from where I live. He noticed that I drive everyday to the town 50 miles away & wanted to let me know how “pretty” I was and was curious if I’d be interested in going out for dinner sometime soon. It freaked me out that someone knew so much about me & I knew nothing about him. He has since left his business card on the windshield of my vehicle. It’s scaring me knowing that I’m being followed. He seems nice and all. But I have a problem with falling for people who seem nice and turn out to be not so nice..

Don't ignore your gut reaction!

 

[tabitha111]

ETA, this might help
Google Maps

Talk about isolated and remote! take the little yellow man down that path...yikes

 

[MsBetsy]

I respectfully disagree with the damage to the car comment. This entire press conference along with the comments on the website have been scripted to a very fine degree to job someone's memory. Perhaps they have a poor CCTV picture of a car or vehicle that might have been used in the abduction and they noticed damage and this is why they are asking for help on this particular item. Everything on the list was very specific and there for a reason IMO.

I think you are absolutely correct. You may remember going to the store on a certain date, and when asked for more details, recall that you also stopped at a Red Box on your way out and there was a man with a baseball cap nearby who looked like he was looking for something. It is little things like this that will lead to a perpetrator.

 

[shanadk]

Jumping off this post.

So I just watched the PC and read some of the posts--many disappointed WS'ers .
I think we did learn some things with this presser
1)Multiple agencies including the FBI are working the case--So small town sheriffs might not know how to investigate this type of case, but you can't say the FBI doesn't know how this plays.

2) Think about this---don't you think the perp is listening to all the news and pressers
This is meant to be a show for his benefit---They may know exactly who it is, but they need that one witness piece of info.
So they are going to go out and make ONLY generalities --I actually think they have these PC for the perp---like false advertising LOL! So he goes away thinking exactly as so many of us do---they got nothing!

3) they are confident they have an established timeline--and no they are not going to share it because it would tip off the perp. We do not need to know this because frankly what can we do with this information--nothing on our own, right?

4) the best news is a definitive " no there is no need for concern in the community".
To me that sounds like it is someone in Mollie's world of friends, family or acquaintances.
They are not interested in anyone else--just Mollie.

I am not a Pollyanna, seeing through rose colored glasses just seeing it from a more Positive view. I think all the behaviors they need us to be aware of are aimed at someone coming forward to seal the deal. They may know who it is but need that one witness to be the final nail in the proverbial coffin, so to speak.

At least it seems they still believe Mollie is alive and are following all leads--so lets just hope they have a plan and can bring Mollie home alive, right?

One very important word on the government website:
"the recovery of Mollie".

 

[feralwriter]

I definitely agree with the calculated part. IMO this is not a job done by a novice. This is someone who thought out the crime and like you said, had the opportunity. Possibly someone who knew the town well, but may or may not have known Mollie. It's really hard to say but I'm not getting the impression this was a crime in the spur of the moment. It seems as if no mistakes have been made thus far.

That's right: motive, means, opportunity. Her abduction happened during a specific time frame- a late afternoon into evening into night then into morning- a time frame no one would potentially miss her. Not until 8am the next am. arrived. At the earliest. The perp either knew this time frame so attacked then, or didn't know, & got extraordinarily lucky.

 

[BelleIsle]

Jumping off this post.

So I just watched the PC and read some of the posts--many disappointed WS'ers .
I think we did learn some things with this presser
1)Multiple agencies including the FBI are working the case--So small town sheriffs might not know how to investigate this type of case, but you can't say the FBI doesn't know how this plays.

2) Think about this---don't you think the perp is listening to all the news and pressers
This is meant to be a show for his benefit---They may know exactly who it is, but they need that one witness piece of info.
So they are going to go out and make ONLY generalities --I actually think they have these PC for the perp---like false advertising LOL! So he goes away thinking exactly as so many of us do---they got nothing!

3) they are confident they have an established timeline--and no they are not going to share it because it would tip off the perp. We do not need to know this because frankly what can we do with this information--nothing on our own, right?

4) the best news is a definitive " no there is no need for concern in the community".
To me that sounds like it is someone in Mollie's world of friends, family or acquaintances.
They are not interested in anyone else--just Mollie.

I am not a Pollyanna, seeing through rose colored glasses just seeing it from a more Positive view. I think all the behaviors they need us to be aware of are aimed at someone coming forward to seal the deal. They may know who it is but need that one witness to be the final nail in the proverbial coffin, so to speak.

At least it seems they still believe Mollie is alive and are following all leads--so lets just hope they have a plan and can bring Mollie home alive, right?

Thank you for putting this into such concise words, I agree with your statement.

 

[Harmony 2]

Thank you, Harmony.

BTW. Do you know or recall how Tony Soprano uses to shout "Carm!?!"

I didn't watch The Sopranos.. I don't know the answer to your question.

 

[mountainguy777]

They need to get the IRS involved. If you owe the govt. $3, there’s not a place on earth you can hide.

 

[Sconnie]

I really don't think they are going to find her until the harvest or hunting time. SharonNeedles' excellent videos show us that she could be anywhere. There is a lot of agricultural and wooded land that people are not walking through on a regular basis.

I am heartbroken for her family, friends, and DJ. I can't even bear to think about what actually happened that night.

 

[Kapua]

Absolutely.

You can have a spur of the moment crime carried out with some planning.

A jilted BF or a current paramour could have apprehend her to 'just talk'. Things get emotional, and suddenly you have a spur of the moment crime of passion.

No blood etc? Everyone has a consensus she was in a vehicle. Strangulation is sudden, and without a blood trail. Only DNA traces unless someone finds more 'evidence'.

If she was not in a vehicle, then she'd be in an area within jogging distance of DJ's house. If that was the case, they would be focused in a much smaller area in town, near her regular jogging routes.

 

[feralwriter]

If this were a spur of the moment crime, we could potentially see the same things we have seen here. If she was abducted while jogging, we’d see her digital trail quickly go cold, as the perp would dispose of her electronics (if he had any clue what he was doing), and Mollie would disappear off the face of the earth. I’m not saying this because it’s what I think happened, just pointing out that there would be the appearance of “no mistakes,” if this is what occurred .

However, the likelihood of a disorganized crime of opportunity being clean is far lower.