Found Deceased IA - Mollie Tibbetts, 20, Poweshiek County, 19 Jul 2018 *Arrest* #38

[MyBelle]

That's usually the case. Brokers routinely smuggle people over the border and provide them with fake documentation. Families in the home country either pre-pay for it, or take out a "loan" (at usury rates) that's paid back over time by the person in the US sending money back home. I still see no evidence that he was intelligent. He wasn't running an identity theft ring or a stock trading scam, he was a farm hand.

In the recent ICE arrests, the brokers were arrested and so were the family ag businesses using them. The workers were being exploited and treated very poorly.

 

[kpm]

In the Washington Post article posted above, CR's father said he left Mexico at 16 because there are no jobs. He decided on Iowa because his aunt and uncle live there. That would be 8 years if it's true.

So he’s worked for the current employer approx. 4 years

Has fake ID and SS

Will be interesting to know where he got that and what he was doing the first 4 years

 

[Rocco]

OK, now I am confused. (Granted I haven't read the article yet). I thought someone posted a picture in a previous thread---a pic of a cleared area where her body was found. A road leading to the clear area.
Wow! Do you know what it would take to walk thru a cornfield let alone 500 yards. Those stalks are so close together you can hardly get thru. Then you have to have a compass or something, cause once you get inside you can find your way back out.

The 500' is from the gravel road---not from where he parked to carry her into the cornfield.

 

[kpm]

Excuse me quoting myself... I'll add I think LE probably had a good reason to add the 8:28 limiter. Her Fitbit may have recorded her heart stopping, or that may be the time another witness recorded that he came home that night. They also may have video evidence. But there would be no reason for LE to limit the time period to such a narrow period unless there was a piece of evidence leading them to believe that.

I’m wondering about that since LE stated this....

Authorities have not revealed when, exactly, Tibbetts was killed.

Mortvedt tells PEOPLE that he can’t discuss whether or not she was held for any period of time after being taken.

 

[otto]

OK, now I am confused. (Granted I haven't read the article yet). I thought someone posted a picture in a previous thread---a pic of a cleared area where her body was found. A road leading to the clear area.
Wow! Do you know what it would take to walk thru a cornfield let alone 500 yards. Those stalks are so close together you can hardly get thru. Then you have to have a compass or something, cause once you get inside you can find your way back out.

It's interesting to imagine the situation if he had walked 500 meters, but the arrest warrant says it was 20. It seems reasonable to trust the arrest warrant.

 

[MsBetsy]

Funny how some say how “stupid” he is because he confessed and/or led them to her body, while others think he is playing dumb and still more think he is a master criminal...

I would say he is most definitely not a master criminal.

 

[Fire Fox 2]

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[Rocco]

It's interesting to imagine the situation if he had walked 500 meters, but the arrest warrant says it was 20. It seems reasonable to trust the arrest warrant.

The People Magazine article didn't say he walked 500 meters.

 

[Warwick7]

Medical examiner says Mollie Tibbetts died from stab wounds

Thank you...
Is this the guy you actually did the autopsy?

"State medical examiner Dennis Klein said in an interview..."

 

[Alethea]

I’m wondering about that since LE stated this....

Authorities have not revealed when, exactly, Tibbetts was killed.

Mortvedt tells PEOPLE that he can’t discuss whether or not she was held for any period of time after being taken.

I take the arrest warrant at face value because they could have said between 7:28pm on 7/18 and 7:30am on 7/19 (when she didn't show up for work) and it would not have mattered to the charge. Any judge would have still signed that warrant. That led me to believe they have some evidence that led them to 8:28pm. Understandably, they probably do not want to discuss any evidence that could hinder prosecution and there's no need to give the media any more information since the suspect has been arrested and the victim located. But I see what you're saying.

 

[MsBetsy]

I think maybe we should trust the arrest warrant rather than People Magazine.

This is what I keep saying about the DM yet so many people consider it accurate.

 

[Deleted member 718]

Seems reasonable to look at the flip side of this perspective using the same reference:

"Organized offenders:

These criminals are more sophisticated in their approach, and their crimes show evidence of planning. These types tend to be of average or better intelligence, employed, and in active social relationships such as with spouses and families. Even though they’re driven by their fantasies, they maintain enough control to avoid being impulsive. They prepare and even rehearse. They tend to target specific victims or types of victims and use control measures such as restraints to maintain victim compliance. They bring the tools they need to gain access to and control of the victim and avoid leaving behind evidence. As killers, they generally hide or dispose of the body and are likely to have a dumpsite already selected." (Forensics: Profiling the Perpetrator - dummies)
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Why would the suspect be an organized offender:

• There's evidence of planning as he circled around along Mollie's route
• quitting school does not mean that he is not intelligent, and he cleverly obtained false ID
• employed
• active social life (reports that he often spent time with his daughter and extended family)
• no reason to believe that Mollie's abduction was impulsive, especially if he saw her jogging the day before the abduction
• he targeted Mollie and probably hit her in the head to gain compliance
• he brought along a knife - tool to control victim
• most importantly he hid the body and may have pre-selected the dump site

It is reasonable indeed. Until we get more details about the hows and whys, it's easy to get stuck in my own mind's eye of how it all played out. I always enjoy reading your posts even if I don't always agree because I know you've given it lots of thought and used the facts to create your own image of what happened. Cheers.

 

[perfectingpink]

Oops!

 

[Deleted member 718]

It means LE has probable cause to believe the crime of murder in the 1st degree happened during that time period based on the evidence LE currently has. It is not an absolute statement - their views can change after reviewing additional evidence. But they believed it enough to swear that they have reason to believe it to a Judge under penalty of perjury.

Thanks Alethea.

 

[Alethea]

In the recent ICE arrests, the brokers were arrested and so were the family ag businesses using them. The workers were being exploited and treated very poorly.

It's awful. The real human trafficking that happens is smuggling over the border. People are charged exorbitant amounts and promised good jobs and job training and then treated like indentured servants or slaves. VICE has a few documentaries that I thought did a fair job looking at the issue in a non-political way.

 

[otto]

It is reasonable indeed. Until we get more details about the hows and whys, it's easy to get stuck in my own mind's eye of how it all played out. I always enjoy reading your posts even if I don't always agree because I know you've given it lots of thought and used the facts to create your own image of what happened. Cheers.

There no connection between Mollie and the suspect, but he did see her running previously. That makes a plan.

"He and Tibbetts have no known connections other than that Rivera allegedly told investigators that he saw her running previously."

Medical examiner says Mollie Tibbetts died from stab wounds

 

[TL4S]

Medical examiner says Mollie Tibbetts died from stab wounds

This article states the ME's office will be using an anthropologist to collect more findings. IMO that points to her having been dead for some time (since the 18th moo).

 

[24Roses]

That's exactly what I am having trouble with if you hit reply by mistake, or start writing and change your mind, I can't figure out how to delete it.

You can't really delete your post. You have to hit the edit the button and manually delete any words you don't want. If you want to delete the entire post, manually delete the whole thing and then either leave it blank before you post it or type delete.ETA-the edit button is to the left of the report button. IIRC-it might be there for up to 30 minutes after you make your post.

 

[Stormy21]

There no connection between Mollie and the suspect, but he did see her running previously. That makes a plan.

"He and Tibbetts have no known connections other than that Rivera allegedly told investigators that he saw her running previously."

Medical examiner says Mollie Tibbetts died from stab wounds

Although this view may change:

"Mortvedt tells PEOPLE that speculation that Rivera and Tibbetts might have known each other prior to her killing “isn’t something law enforcement has verified.”

Rivera had no criminal record before his arrest.

“All of a sudden he just does it,” Mortvedt says. “Who escalates to abduction, kidnapping and homicide that fast?”

“That is part of the ongoing investigation,” Mortvedt says. “We want to dig into his background — and not just the last four weeks. Who is this guy? Where has he been? What has he done? How can we verify that?”"

 

[otto]

This article states the ME's office will be using an anthropologist to collect more findings. IMO that points to her having been dead for some time (since the 18th moo).

It may be the case that there are cuts on the bones, and that's how cause of death is known.

It's possible to calculate the degree of decomposition. There's a formula that uses temperature and number of days. I used it with Morgan Harrington and the Evandsale cousins to figure out what evidence could be found after several months in a field.