Found Deceased IA - Mollie Tibbetts, 20, Poweshiek County, 19 Jul 2018 *Arrest* #38

[MsBetsy]

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Thank you

 

[Bravo]

There no connection between Mollie and the suspect, but he did see her running previously. That makes a plan.

"He and Tibbetts have no known connections other than that Rivera allegedly told investigators that he saw her running previously."

Medical examiner says Mollie Tibbetts died from stab wounds

Yes, the fact that he admitted to seeing Mollie running prior really jumped out at me.

 

[kpm]

I take the arrest warrant at face value because they could have said between 7:28pm on 7/18 and 7:30am on 7/19 (when she didn't show up for work) and it would not have mattered to the charge. Any judge would have still signed that warrant. That led me to believe they have some evidence that led them to 8:28pm. Understandably, they probably do not want to discuss any evidence that could hinder prosecution and there's no need to give the media any more information since the suspect has been arrested and the victim located. But I see what you're saying.

I think the timeframe may be based on her Fitbit and what LE said today may be based on the condition of her body and autopsy possibly.

He also could have discarded the phone and Fitbit while she was still alive, we just don’t know yet

It will be very interesting to see what his phone mapped since that’s how he led police to her body, maybe more info on his phone shows his whereabouts the following days.

Want to thank you for all your input!

 

[know_what_i'm_sayin']

Thanks to the original posters for linking this.
Mollie C. Tibbetts

I am still crying buckets over Mollie and it hurts, I don't know why I feel so emotional. Im not posting and only briefly reading here. Time outs, sometimes we really need them. Mollie had a big and loving family. The black and silver profile picture is so dramatic. wow...
thanks for sharing here all JMO

Right? It's honestly one of the most beautiful write ups I've ever seen. She will forever be missed and remembered.

 

[CheetosDust]

OK, now I am confused. (Granted I haven't read the article yet). I thought someone posted a picture in a previous thread---a pic of a cleared area where her body was found. A road leading to the clear area.
Wow! Do you know what it would take to walk thru a cornfield let alone 500 yards. Those stalks are so close together you can hardly get thru. Then you have to have a compass or something, cause once you get inside you can find your way back out.

It can be very confusing inside a cornfield. That’s why corn mazes are constructed in them during the fall.

 

[Stormy21]

The New York Times has a story on the suspect. They should note, that the interviews took place after he was arrested. Wonder what people said before?

 

[Warwick7]

I’m wondering about that since LE stated this....

Authorities have not revealed when, exactly, Tibbetts was killed.

Mortvedt tells PEOPLE that he can’t discuss whether or not she was held for any period of time after being taken.

This afternoon I did some research on weekly decop with a cadaver.
By week 3 fingernails fall off. By week 4 the body liquifies. (granted temperature affects decomp).
That said, If she had been held for a period of time the "sharp force" wound be much more prominent. If it was a stab wound, the bone may leave a clue, but if the "sharp force" was an incised wound then it would need flesh to show that. I'm guessing from my research.

 

[MsBetsy]

It may be the case that there are cuts on the bones, and that's how cause of death is known.

It's possible to calculate the degree of decomposition. There's a formula that uses temperature and number of days. I used it with Morgan Harrington and the Evandsale cousins to figure out what evidence could be found after several months in a field.

Which reminds me, if the body was there for one month, considering the climate and insect activity, what stage do you think it was in, concerning decomposition? I was thinking stage 3 at least, but would like a professional opinion, as some are wondering if an autopsy will reveal SA, or the extent of injuries. I would be very interested in your opinion, please, and thanks in advance.

 

[Stormy21]

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What is a 'real name'?

Interesting that the New York Times calls the suspect: Mr. Bahena Rivera.

The Times has to be the last bastion in the United States of using totally formal names.

 

[runfar262]

#TheMollieMovement catching on through social media

 

[Ilovemy3boys]

Life after death: the science of human decomposition

I thought this article was extremely informative and interesting regarding human decomposition

 

[otto]

Yes, the fact that he admitted to seeing Mollie running prior really jumped out at me.

It seems very planned and pre-meditated. He knew where she was going, got there first, circled around the block a few times, Mollie is seen running. Then we jump to his story line which is that he saw her running, parked the car, ran along side her, something happened, and then he put her in a corn field.

We know nothing about that happened after he ran to (chased?) her while she was jogging. He wasn't in a frenzied state where he left evidence at the scene. He even collected the headphones and put them on his lap. The headphones on his lap might be one of the few truths in his story. He had a weapon. He was in a violent mood, as we know from the multiple sharp object injuries. He knew before he circled the block that he was going to kill her.

He hid her body, and was so cool about it that everyone who knows him has described him as completely himself after the murder. He didn't do anything out of the ordinary.

 

[TL4S]

Right? It's honestly one of the most beautiful write ups I've ever seen. She will forever be missed and remembered.

I like to think she's with Elizabeth and Lyric, Liberty and Abby, and all the lost children, helping to brighten their days.

 

[MsBetsy]

This afternoon I did some research on weekly decop with a cadaver.
By week 3 fingernails fall off. By week 4 the body liquifies. (granted temperature affects decomp).
That said, If she had been held for a period of time the "sharp force" wound be much more prominent. If it was a stab wound, the bone may leave a clue, but if the "sharp force" was an incised wound then it would need flesh to show that. I'm guessing from my research.

Al Hoffman provided a long, detailed and informative article on that very subject in the last thread, with pictures. It is a post with "Warning, graphic Details, if you can find it, I think you may be interested. Not sure how to bring it over but maybe someone else does. It was an excellent article and explains every stage and factors that influence rate of decomposition. I found it very helpful but then again I'm a little weird. Some may find it appalling.

 

[Fire Fox 2]

#TheMollieMovement catching on through social media

LOVEEEEEEE THAT

 

[otto]

Which reminds me, if the body was there for one month, considering the climate and insect activity, what stage do you think it was in, concerning decomposition? I was thinking stage 3 at least, but would like a professional opinion, as some are wondering if an autopsy will reveal SA, or the extent of injuries. I would be very interested in your opinion, please, and thanks in advance.

No idea. It really depends on the temperature. I'll figure it out if I find the formula. It means taking the mean temperature of the days that she was in the field and the number of days that she was exposed. If I had to guess, I don't believe that she is a skeleton. I think there is something more of her than bones.

 

[Caylee Advocate]

I know what you're talking about, I remember it too but I can't find it. Wasn't it like black, white and grey camo?

Cristhian Bahena Rivera: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know | Heavy.com

 

[Jaclin]

I think the intent was strategic as well. However, I did see in an article several posts back that when asked by a reporter why she and the child were present, she said that even though they have not been together for 2 years, she did it for her child. I know that sounds ridiculous and doesn't make sense, but I think I know what she is trying to say. In that particular culture, women often have respect for their spouses or their babies fathers, even when that parent is in prison or has done bad things. In fact, it is not even necessarily unacceptable if a spouse has relationships outside of marriage, as long as they respect and support their family. I know that in itself is disrespectful and hard to understand, and certainly I don't want to generalize that is always the case, but in my experience I have seen this general attitude and it always amazes me that the women don't have a problem with this. The women rule over the home, the father is the provider.... having said that, I think what she meant by her statement was, He is the father of my child, and so I will respect that fact by being present. Of course it is blatantly obvious to us that it is horrible to allow your child to see such a thing. But we are not really talking about intelligent people. When I read her response I thought why in the world would she think it would be good for the child to attend? Then I realized what her reasoning might be. Here where I live we have a daycare ( playroom) at the court house where your child can play and never have an inkling of what's going on. Problem solved.

I wonder what her relationship with her father was. Maybe she didn't get to spend the time with her father that she wanted to. Maybe her mom didn't want her around her father, and she resents that. Maybe that's why she wants to make sure her daughter gets to be around her father. I think that could explain it. But, who knows. The girl is better off if people don't know or associate her with her father. I would feel such shame if my father did what CR did, even though it wouldn't be my fault. Nor obviously the girls fault. Nobody can help the family they are born into.

 

[TL4S]

Cristhian Bahena Rivera: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know | Heavy.com

That's it. Thank you! But idk, is that black overalls with mud spatters?

 

[otto]

Life after death: the science of human decomposition

I thought this article was extremely informative and interesting regarding human decomposition

If the average temperature was 25C or 77F, there is advanced stage of decomposition. I guess we should check the mean temperature from July 18 - August 21.

"In the relentless dry heat of the Texas summer, a body left to the elements will mummify rather than decompose fully. The skin will quickly lose all of its moisture, so that it remains clinging to the bones when the process is complete.

The speed of the chemical reactions involved doubles with every 10°C rise in temperature, so a cadaver will reach the advanced stage after 16 days at an average daily temperature of 25°C, and after 80 days at an average daily temperature of 5°C."​

Life after death: the science of human decomposition