Found Deceased IA - Mollie Tibbetts, 20, Poweshiek County, 19 Jul 2018 *Arrest* #38

[Charliegizmo49]

The impound is mostly at the officers discretion perhaps. I know in my state most cities do not impound for most uninsured and no license. It really depends on what they got pulled over for and how they treat the officer ... Officers here know that whether they tow you or not that the state will impose surcharges and a suspension as soon as the citation hits the system. Then if they get caught suspended they will impound and give you a date to see a judge .
The city I reside in doesn’t play around. They run your plates and see you have no insurance/license they pull you over and impound after taking you to the nearest safest location lol QT but it’s not like that in most cities here Jmo imo ime

Many states also grant drivers licenses on the same exact fake documents he provided his employers.

 

[noodler2]

No one would give him up. He would be gone and reacclimated into another community with a new name before you could say Jack. My honest opinion.

You believe that none of his peers in the community would have given him up if it was known he was wanted for the murder?

 

[Deleted member 718]

oops

 

[feralwriter]

It seems very planned and pre-meditated. He knew where she was going, got there first, circled around the block a few times, Mollie is seen running. Then we jump to his story line which is that he saw her running, parked the car, ran along side her, something happened, and then he put her in a corn field.

We know nothing about that happened after he ran to (chased?) her while she was jogging. He wasn't in a frenzied state where he left evidence at the scene. He even collected the headphones and put them on his lap. The headphones on his lap might be one of the few truths in his story. He had a weapon. He was in a violent mood, as we know from the multiple sharp object injuries. He knew before he circled the block that he was going to kill her.

He hid her body, and was so cool about it that everyone who knows him has described him as completely himself after the murder. He didn't do anything out of the ordinary.

"His memory picks up again at an intersection where he noticed a headphone earpiece in his lap and realized he had put Tibbetts in his trunk, where he found her with blood on her head, it said."
Man charged with killing Mollie Tibbetts is an undocumented immigrant, authorities say Washington Post article dated August 22, 2018 (Mettler, Wootson, Miroff)

Looks like it was a violent encounter in his vehicle, as he had just a piece of the headphones, not the headphones, which, reading this, I now wonder about the wording.

As far as we know, did he state to LE he saw her "bleeding" or simply that he noticed blood on her head? The WAPO article makes it seem he noticed blood, but not active bleeding. Were she actively bleeding, she would still be alive at the time she was in the trunk. Dead people don't continue to bleed, as the heart stops.

 

[Charliegizmo49]

If the average temperature was 25C or 77F, there is advanced stage of decomposition. I guess we should check the mean temperature from July 18 - August 21.

"In the relentless dry heat of the Texas summer, a body left to the elements will mummify rather than decompose fully. The skin will quickly lose all of its moisture, so that it remains clinging to the bones when the process is complete.

The speed of the chemical reactions involved doubles with every 10°C rise in temperature, so a cadaver will reach the advanced stage after 16 days at an average daily temperature of 25°C, and after 80 days at an average daily temperature of 5°C."​

Life after death: the science of human decomposition

The weather humidity rain is a world apart from Texas. I don’t have the heart to describe the condition of a body after 5 weeks in the perfect climate for growing corn.

One thing might be good to contemplate. Everything written anywhere in the Internet is permanent. In 100 years someone can read what I just wrote. Families, friends and children.

 

[chi123]

How fast do you think LE would have been on him when one of the residents of this small town decides to just up and leave randomly while they are investigating a huge missing person's case being watched by the nation?

He wasn't even on their radar so I really don't see how they would have even known. Nothing was registered to him, lived in a small trailer on a farm with several other migrant workers and was using a fake name.

Im sure plenty of people have come and gone in the 5 weeks she was missing.

 

[Alethea]

You believe that none of his peers in the community would have given him up if it was known he was wanted for the murder?

I don't think many people would risk being deported to provide a tip, even in a murder investigation. I think that would take a truly selfless individual.

 

[MassGuy]

"His memory picks up again at an intersection where he noticed a headphone earpiece in his lap and realized he had put Tibbetts in his trunk, where he found her with blood on her head, it said."
Man charged with killing Mollie Tibbetts is an undocumented immigrant, authorities say Washington Post article dated August 22, 2018 (Mettler, Wootson, Miroff)

Looks like it was a violent encounter in his vehicle, as her had just a piece of the headphones, not the headphones, which, reading this, I now wonder about the wording.

As far as we know, did he state to LE he saw her "bleeding" or simply that he noticed blood on her head? The WAPO article makes it seem he noticed blood, but not active bleeding. Were she actively bleeding, she would still be alive at the time she was in the trunk. Dead people don't continue to bleed, as the heart stops.

Yeah. It said that he “noticed blood on the side of her head.” Of course she could still have been actively bleeding at that point. I do think personally, that she was still alive at that point, and met her fate in the cornfield.

 

[otto]

"His memory picks up again at an intersection where he noticed a headphone earpiece in his lap and realized he had put Tibbetts in his trunk, where he found her with blood on her head, it said."
Man charged with killing Mollie Tibbetts is an undocumented immigrant, authorities say Washington Post article dated August 22, 2018 (Mettler, Wootson, Miroff)

Looks like it was a violent encounter in his vehicle, as her had just a piece of the headphones, not the headphones, which, reading this, I now wonder about the wording.

As far as we know, did he state to LE he saw her "bleeding" or simply that he noticed blood on her head? The WAPO article makes it seem he noticed blood, but not active bleeding. Were she actively bleeding, she would still be alive at the time she was in the trunk. Dead people don't continue to bleed, as the heart stops.

It was always reported as an earbud, so, correct, it was a part of the headset. He might have pulled ahead of her, run towards her when she's running towards him, hit her in the head, grabbed her and "she ran with him" into his back seat. Maybe there was an altercation in the car. Maybe that's why we have Boundary/Middle Str. location as well as the 1900 385 Ave location.

 

[MyBelle]

My opinion is they would not have found him. This is speculation based on actual facts that I am aware of in regards to illegal Mexicans living in a different part of our country, and no, not CA or any border state. In this place exists a fully operational system for the sole purpose of assisting illegals to get them on their feet by providing them with their basic needs, shelter, food, job. System itself is not legal but those participating in it are private citizens that run the full gamut in the area I refer to... American citizens born and bred, illegal Mexicans, legal American citizens of Mexican origin. When they enter the state they already know where to go and who to see and they settle in learn to live somewhat independently. Those who speak English are easier to assist and move out quickly for obvious reasons. Ability to communicate makes it easier for them to secure jobs, housing etc. Some even live in single family homes but there are 30 of them living there. Not uncommon. They are made aware of other people living within the state where if necessary they can go to if there is ever the possibility of a raid (ICE) or an employer of theirs that might question their eligibility to be working here. Yes, there apparently are business' that will not break the law.

So knowing this happens in one area and yes, I have personal knowledge that it does and have even met some of these people, I think it is safe to say that this is not the only place where this is possible. So to answer your question, I do not feel he would have been found by the time the police attempted to track him down. They would have the photo ID he gave to the farm but that is all they would have. No one would give him up. He would be gone and reacclimated into another community with a new name before you could say Jack. My honest opinion.

I agree and if he had an accomplice, they might be in the wind just as the killer of Sarah Root remains in the wind.

 

[SteveP]

You believe that none of his peers in the community would have given him up if it was known he was wanted for the murder?

I have to admit, when I think that we have a right to a trial by a jury of our peers, in this country, I pause and wonder how that works when your peers may be illegal immigrants. I highly doubt that he is the only one working on farms in the area. And yes, I know that a 'jury of your peers' really just means a good representation of the local population, but still, my point remains the same. Not sure how many of the jurors in any trial will look like him. Oh well...

 

[Crystal Regan]

Suspect’s relatives say they’re baffled by arrest in Mollie Tibbetts case
Apologies if this has already been posted. The article states that CR entered the US when he was 16 and settled in Iowa. CR chose Iowa because his uncle and aunt live there. He worked "on a series of milk farms" since his arrival. The family members in the courtroom that day were his aunt and uncle, not his parents. CR's parents are still in Mexico. So that would mean CR has been in Iowa for 8 years. It doesn't say if CR lived in or worked in any other states. It also didn't mention if he had family in any other states.
Just adding, CR's father's last name is not Rivera.

I think it is custom to get both parents surnames in Mexico. Dad has the same middle name as CR. Maybe mom’s is R. Just an idea.

 

[PinkPrincessPoop]

I think it is custom to get both parents surnames in Mexico. Dad has the same middle name as CR. Maybe mom’s is R. Just an idea.

It's considered two surnames, not a middle name. They might not have released middle names, unless neither have any middle names.

 

[otto]

The weather humidity rain is a world apart from Texas. I don’t have the heart to describe the condition of a body after 5 weeks in the perfect climate for growing corn.

One thing might be good to contemplate. Everything written anywhere in the Internet is permanent. In 100 years someone can read what I just wrote. Families, friends and children.

A glance at the weather history shows that the temp was consistently about 77F.

"The speed of the chemical reactions involved doubles with every 10°C rise in temperature, so a cadaver will reach the advanced stage after 16 days at an average daily temperature of 25°C." (Life after death: the science of human decomposition)
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She was missing for 33 days. It may be that cause of death was in part determined by a cut on a bone.

Brooklyn August Weather 2018 - AccuWeather Forecast for IA 52211

 

[Kensie]

I am so far behind. I hate that Mollie died such a horrific death. WHY did the kill her?

RIP Mollie. You touched so many lives.

ETA, I hope the defense attorney does not try to use the killer's lack of education as a reason for his actions. He quit school at 12; thus, did not learn the difference between right / wrong, blah, blah, blah.

ETA again. Although I don't post much, I do read the posts when I can. This case has been so upsetting and disturbing.

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

Bumpity bumpity.

Stay on the topic of Mollie Tibbetts death. Please do not veer off into extraneous topics like guns, etc.

 

[MassGuy]

A glance at the weather history shows that the temp was consistently about 77F.

"The speed of the chemical reactions involved doubles with every 10°C rise in temperature, so a cadaver will reach the advanced stage after 16 days at an average daily temperature of 25°C." (Life after death: the science of human decomposition)
​

She was missing for 33 days. It may be that cause of death was in part determined by a cut on a bone.

Brooklyn August Weather 2018 - AccuWeather Forecast for IA 52211

Unless the clothing is in such a position to indicate sexual assault, I’m not confident on them being able to make a determination in that regard. It’s highly unlikely that any semen could have survived in those conditions, especially for that length of time.

 

[Jaclin]

In the Washington Post article posted above, CR's father said he left Mexico at 16 because there are no jobs. He decided on Iowa because his aunt and uncle live there. That would be 8 years if it's true.

The affidavit lists his birthday as being in June, so he hasn't been 24 long if we can trust that's his correct birthday. We don't know exactly when he came here. He could have been 16 when he came here, but almost 17 making 7 years accurate enough. Maybe he has been here 7 years and 3 months.

 

[PinkPrincessPoop]

We are assuming he only hung out with other illegal immigrants but the truth is that we don't really know who were his regular friends.

 

[Tiger Stripes]

With respect to the xgf and child being in court ...

It is possible the GF is a victim of domestic abuse and this may have been the very first time since meeting CR that she actually felt safe. It could be that she showed up to show him that he was not in control of her or her child any more. I am not yet convinced she was there to support him.

I agree the child should not have been included in this hearing, however, I am open to considering she is also a victim until we understand if she played any role in the crime.

The motivation of a victim when it comes to dealing with their abuser is complicated. What most people would judge as innapropriate and strange could be much different to a person living with and under abuse.

This is just my opinion.

Long-time WS lurker (*years*), and now...jumping into the "deep end" to make a comment... (I apologize in advance that I'm not sure how to quickly zip back to locate certain phrases from past posts, but want to make a small connection -- at least one that's been in my head now for a week or so, ever since we heard the PC and announcement that CR was being held.)

Remember the first time of seeing CR's photograph? I do. I felt... (and forgive my putting this "out there" so bluntly)...a great "darkness" viewing his face (and yes, noticed that he made little to no eye contact with others). Last evening after logging off WS, I couldn't stop thinking about the whole "bl[o]cking out" phrase that CR used when he was first interviewed. 2 things: a.) he may have difficulty pronouncing a "short a" sound; thus, "blacking out" would sound more like "blocking out", and b.) JMOO that a deep, "darkness of spirit" -- perhaps like an emotional "black hole" dropped over him, the moment after the deed was done. Not wanting to reveal *what* was done, the closest -- and truly, the most literal words/phrasing that he could use to describe it, yet...*without* giving any details, was... "bl[o]cking out"... Of course, this is entirely speculation on my part (so please delete this immediately, if not allowed). Just my 2 cents' worth.

The connection of "blocking/blacking out" and abusive relationships w/regard to IM, and matters of abuse is this: When my mother was alive, she used to say, "Character is consistent!" She used this phrase to shed light on individuals who *appeared* one way in one setting, yet who had *acted* quite another way, when in another setting. I am *not* saying that CR attempted to take IM's life; I *am* suggesting that it *may* be possible (again, speculation here -- JMOO) that IM has experienced some of the same things that MT experienced... And surely IM had mixed thoughts when sitting in the courtroom earlier this week -- perhaps thinking of her child not having a father around in the future, but also, perhaps, thinking of some justice for *herself*/IM, for things that have never been reported. MOO