IA - Mollie Tibbetts, 20, Poweshiek County, 19 Jul 2018 *Arrest* #39

[scarlettbones]

Mollie Tibbetts’ Body Was Found 500 Yards Into Cornfield: ‘He Tried to Camouflage Her’

Same article that otto linked above. This is interesting.
1. He ripped cornstalks and laid them on top of her. He wasn't planning on killing her, unless he is just a really lazy planner. Sounds like he panicked and didn't know what to do with the body.

2. They aren't commenting on the time of death? Or if she was held captive? I thought that talk was put to rest? Didn't the autopsy show she died on the 18th?

 

[ellieuma]

Fell out of his hair or shirt, or may have been clutched in his hand from the assault?

Or if he was being careful not to leave any evidence, he may have picked them up from the concrete quickly after the struggle. If he chased her down, struggled to control her, then knocked her unconscious, the head phones could have dropped easily. Another possibility is that he went back to the initial scene of the abduction after dumping her body in the corn field, checked to make certain that evidence wasn’t left behind, saw her ear bud & grabbed it, putting it in his lap & keeps it as a memento and looking at it reminds him that it was real & not imagined or simply a fantasy. If he is lying about the way the events unfolded, & as someone posted earlier, blending in parts of the truth in with the lies, that would explain why the ear phones were so prominent in his story.

 

[otto]

He may not even have thought of a solid story. He may have convinced himself he wouldn't get caught, and figured , if i do, I'll deny everything . I won't tell them a thing. They can't prove it. and then during the interrogation broke down and gave them bits of the story. This would explain why in general it matches up, but there are some lies here and there. Or things aren't in the order in which they occurred . Wouldn't the easiest thing to do be to tell some things that happened but lie about the one thing he doesn't want people to find out about? He doesnt even have to deal with that part of the story if he just says, " I blacked out" I don't remember.

Apparently that part of his memory is "blocked out", nothing between Mollie's threat and the earbud on the lap can be remembered.

 

[MassGuy]

Mollie Tibbetts’ Body Was Found 500 Yards Into Cornfield: ‘He Tried to Camouflage Her’

Same article that otto linked above. This is interesting.
1. He ripped cornstalks and laid them on top of her. He wasn't planning on killing her, unless he is just a really lazy planner. Sounds like he panicked and didn't know what to do with the body.

2. They aren't commenting on the time of death? Or if she was held captive? I thought that talk was put to rest? Didn't the autopsy show she died on the 18th?

Yeah I think he made that decision to cover her with corn, in the spur of the moment.

The medical examiner talked about bringing in additional experts, to include a forensic anthropologist. The final report could take 6 weeks.

Determining time of death, will come from other evidence (data etc). They won’t be able to nail down the time of death from the autopsy alone, as too much time has passed, and decomposition would have been extreme. If this were a fresh body, they would be able to do that, but not here.

 

[ellieuma]

Cristhian Bahena Rivera has a very messy name history. What was this person arrested for? Is it related to peeping, sexual assault? If not, probably not related.

The record doesn’t say what he was arrested for.

 

[MsBetsy]

I don't think there was an earbud on his lap. I think that was the best he could come up with to explain the end of his "block out".

Why would he have to explain the end of it? He could just say he woke up on the corner of wherever he was and realized he had done something. He may have thought to say the earbud because that was the first thing he saw after he was finished with what he had done. She was in the car, slumped over, and he saw the earbud in his lap so he used that as the trigger. Then he placed her in the trunk. It's just one scenario I have, I'm sure theres a ton. But I'm just basing it on the earbud really being there or even being somewhere within sight and he just thought to say it was on his lap.

 

[ellieuma]

Police are clearly looking into connections with other incidents in Iowa during the last 7-8 years. Similar criminal activities, such as unsolved murders of female victims, will very likely be at the top of the list.

"Rivera had not criminal record before his arrest.

“All of a sudden he just does it,” Mortvedt says. “Who escalates to abduction, kidnapping and homicide that fast?”

“That is part of the ongoing investigation,” Mortvedt says. “We want to dig into his background — and not just the last four weeks. Who is this guy? Where has he been? What has he done? How can we verify that?”

Mollie Tibbetts’ Body Was Found 500 Yards Into Cornfield: ‘He Tried to Camouflage Her’​

The arrest record from Georgia lists the time of arrest as 3:23 A.M.

 

[otto]

His age (if correct) makes me feel more confident that this is his first murder. That’s absolutely no guarantee though.
In the (strikingly similar), Vanessa Marcotte case. The suspect is in his early 30s with no criminal record (either here or in Puerto Rico). I feel less optimistic that he hasn’t killed before, simply because of his age. But both crimes appear to have been carried out in a similar, brazen and vicious manner.

Some start really young. A 17 year old future mortician abducted and murdered Jessica Ridgeway. Cody Legebotoff, Prince George BC, was a serial murderer at the age of 20.

"Canada’s youngest serial killer — he was just 20 when he was arrested on Nov. 28, 2010 in the death of a pretty teenager named Loren Leslie and by then he already had killed three women ... "

Serial killer Cody Legebokoff was just another garden-variety predator
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According to Cristhian Bahena Rivera, he is 24 years old, but that may also be false identification. He might be 28 years old, he might be 20. Age is not a factor with modern day serial murderers.

 

[MassGuy]

Some start really young. A 17 year old future mortician abducted and murdered Jessica Ridgeway. Cody Legebotoff, Prince George BC, was a serial murderer at the age of 20.

"Canada’s youngest serial killer — he was just 20 when he was arrested on Nov. 28, 2010 in the death of a pretty teenager named Loren Leslie and by then he already had killed three women ... "

Serial killer Cody Legebokoff was just another garden-variety predator
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According to Cristhian Bahena Rivera, he is 24 years old, but that may also be false identification. He might be 28 years old, he might be 20. Age is not a factor with modern day serial murderers.

That’s true. The average age that a serial killer begins killing is around 27. That obviously means that you have people on both sides of that number, some substantially younger.

 

[MsBetsy]

Yeah I think he made that decision to cover her with corn, in the spur of the moment.

The medical examiner talked about bringing in additional experts, to include a forensic anthropologist. The final report could take 6 weeks.

Determining time of death, will come from other evidence (data etc). They won’t be able to nail down the time of death from the autopsy alone, as too much time has passed, and decomposition would have been extreme. If this were a fresh body, they would be able to do that, but not here.

Yes it would have to have been spur of the moment because he used the only thing available. Although I guess he could have thought it out ahead of time and just thought I'll just cover it with whatever's there. Hard to know how this guy's mind works.

 

[MsBetsy]

Apparently that part of his memory is "blocked out", nothing between Mollie's threat and the earbud on the lap can be remembered.

That is IF you believe that he really blacked out

 

[otto]

Mollie Tibbetts’ Body Was Found 500 Yards Into Cornfield: ‘He Tried to Camouflage Her’

Same article that otto linked above. This is interesting.
1. He ripped cornstalks and laid them on top of her. He wasn't planning on killing her, unless he is just a really lazy planner. Sounds like he panicked and didn't know what to do with the body.

2. They aren't commenting on the time of death? Or if she was held captive? I thought that talk was put to rest? Didn't the autopsy show she died on the 18th?

I don't see any "panic" in his movements that night. He had previously seen Mollie Jogging, he knew her route, he drove ahead of her on her route and circled in front of the CCTV until she too ran by the CCTV. After that CCTV sighting of Mollie, we switch to the suspect's story. According to him, Mollie threatened him, and he went into a daze.

His route was to grab her on the East outskirts of Brooklyn, immediately hit the backroads East, do something at the location map top-right dot at 8:28, turn South, do something at the location map bottom-right dot, then drive SE of Guernsey.

She died of multiple stab wounds. There is no time of death. There is no evidence at this time that she was held captive - in fact it's very unlikely since he was on the job the next morning and nothing was out of the ordinary.

 

[otto]

The record doesn’t say what he was arrested for.

So he wasn't convicted?

 

[MsBetsy]

If she was in the trunk I don't see how. But maybe SA happened in the back seat not the trunk. But where? I really wonder if where she was found was where she was murdered, or assaulted/murdered, or simply where he left her. I would think LE and the coroner know that by now.

That's what I was thinking. It happened in the car, then he put her in the trunk. Maybe he then took her to the cornfield. But it would make sense if he did it all in one place, too. Right now my mind is whirling and I'm exhausted. In the morning I just might look at what I wrote , and think, why the heck did I think that. .. I mean later this morning.

 

[otto]

Why would he have to explain the end of it? He could just say he woke up on the corner of wherever he was and realized he had done something. He may have thought to say the earbud because that was the first thing he saw after he was finished with what he had done. She was in the car, slumped over, and he saw the earbud in his lap so he used that as the trigger. Then he placed her in the trunk. It's just one scenario I have, I'm sure theres a ton. But I'm just basing it on the earbud really being there or even being somewhere within sight and he just thought to say it was on his lap.

My impression is that he decided on "block out" as his defense, but he had to give an explanation for how these "block outs", which he's experienced before, happen. He decided that Mollie was responsible for causing the "block out", but how would he explain coming out of it. That's where an earbud on his lap comes into the story.

 

[margarita25]

That’s true. The average age that a serial killer begins killing is around 27. That obviously means that you have people on both sides of that number, some substantially younger.

I definitely think many of them start younger, moo. Foxfire said as young as 14 sometimes. I’m thinking the average of 27 is an outdated stat but that is JMO.

 

[MassGuy]

I definitely think many of them start younger, moo. Foxfire said as young as 14 sometimes. I’m thinking the averaged of 27 is an outdated stat but that is JMO.

This was a 2015 study, but that number is simply an average. There's definitely those that start younger.

 

[MsBetsy]

I don't see any "panic" in his movements that night. He had previously seen Mollie Jogging, he knew her route, he drove ahead of her on her route and circled in front of the CCTV until she too ran by the CCTV. After that CCTV sighting of Mollie, we switch to the suspect's story. According to him, Mollie threatened him, and he went into a daze.

His route was to grab her on the East outskirts of Brooklyn, immediately hit the backroads East, do something at the location map top-right dot at 8:28, turn South, do something at the location map bottom-right dot, then drive SE of Guernsey.

She died of multiple stab wounds. There is no time of death. There is no evidence at this time that she was held captive - in fact it's very unlikely since he was on the job the next morning and nothing was out of the ordinary.

He seems cool as a cucumber. <modsnipped> Even everything people say about him. Poor social skills, quiet. He made very little eye contact with the judge, his interpretator, not with anybody that I saw. Im not sure he killed in a daze, though , I would say more like a rage.

 

[otto]

That's what I was thinking. It happened in the car, then he put her in the trunk. Maybe he then took her to the cornfield. But it would make sense if he did it all in one place, too. Right now my mind is whirling and I'm exhausted. In the morning I just might look at what I wrote , and think, why the heck did I think that. .. I mean later this morning.

When you say you tink it happened in the car, do you mean that when she was snatched off the street she was put into the back seat? What do you mean: and then he put her in the trunk?

 

[MsBetsy]

My impression is that he decided on "block out" as his defense, but he had to give an explanation for how these "block outs", which he's experienced before, happen. He decided that Mollie was responsible for causing the "block out", but how would he explain coming out of it. That's where an earbud on his lap comes into the story.

I think he means black out. It is the way he is pronouncing it that sounds like blockout.