IA - Mollie Tibbetts, 20, Poweshiek County, 19 Jul 2018 *Arrest* #41

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  • #201
Totally my speculation, but I don’t believe he proceeded directly to the dump site. It makes sense that he would continue out of town on 385th ave because that’s the only way out of town from where he was at without going back through town. In doing so he’s already on the backroads in rural Brooklyn. He lived on 400th ave and there are very few roads down there, he’s very familiar with those roads and very comfortable on them.

Consider this: he surely didn’t set out that night to just kill Mollie and dispose of her body. At some point he found himself with a body he needed to get rid of and needed to think of something fast. It makes sense that he would stick to backroads that he’s familiar with, and since there are just a few roads he’s going to be familiar to some degree with all of them. It makes sense to me that this is real close to the route he would take.

Finding yourself with a body to dispose of on a hot summer evening...with that, a full tank of gas, a pack of cigs, and a six pack of beer; you've got a mission!

The problem with being close with sociopaths is that they will call you or pull in the driveway, asking for your help with their mission. Just business as usual.
 
  • #202
He was charged with 701.2 1 a

http://media.graytvinc.com/documents/082118+DCI+Arrest.pdf

707.2 1 b would be forceful felony, he hasn’t been charged with that......yet


https://www.legis.iowa.gov/docs/code/707.2.pdf
He has admitted to following her in his car, running behind and alongside her, and getting panicked and angry when she threatened to call police and ran away. He then disposed of her body. Whether or not you believe his story, JMO, I think that shows enough probable cause for intent.
 
  • #203
I personally suggest a Planter's Punch to cool down with if before 10:00 Hours local time, but then you should stick with Rum for the rest of the day!

When you talk about the weather that way, it makes me think of a Tennessee Williams' (who is an alum of the University of Iowa by the way) play...perhaps you could partake of your refreshment (or posting) sitting on the veranda while fanning yourself...but I digress.

Good idea to keep away from the news, as it will only depress you!

My late significant other went through a number of interesting scrapes in her life, some of which were documented in the MSM (once, she was on her way home to New Orleans from the Gulf Coast when the car carrying Jane Mansfield roared past them in the fog, they passed the accident scene soon after...) and she warned me to NEVER trust what you read in the papers as it is usually wrong, I've sinced learned (the hard way) that she was right. Something we in WS should take to heart...

Someone should tell Occam to stop slinging that damned razor around, as he might eventually cut somebody. Stuff happens, especially when one is young, dumb and full of adreneralin, and maybe seminal fluid, when fleeing from the scene of a serious crime. PTSD and worse comes from this, for everyone concerned. (Been there, done that, had the burnt gunpowder flake on my back to remind me...never live with sociopaths!)

IMHOO, y'all are looking for rational answers to the irrational actions of an amateur maybe sociopath who comes comes from far outside of your collective cultural milieu; actions taken in the wake of a high stress criminal act. This is a dark rabbit hole to go down.....(though while Jack Russels like to do this, everybody (who has ever lived with one) KNOWS that they are nuts to start with!)

CBR did what seemed like the best idea to him at the time (not always a good idea) and seriously lucked out for a while...fortune favors the bold (sometimes). Sometimes, when you hear hoofbeats, there is a #$%& zebra coming at you (many malpractice torts result from this application of that same tired old razor).

While I agree with a number of your conclusions, please just don't go too far down the rabbit hole, or you may wind up sitting in the dark, confused, with a Jack Russel for company (MSM tells me that it recently took a Texas fire company 8 hours to dig a Jack Russel out from under a slab house, after it went there after a rabbit...no word about the rabbit...), please don't go there!

CBR will likely go to trial (I doubt a plea...but) and he will go to prison for the rest of his natural life...however long that may be. If it gives you comfort, consider what happened to Jeffery Dahmer (hey, Stuff happens in the weight room). Sometimes, justice is swift and Sure!

Save some of the rum for me as well please. ;)
 
  • #204
That’s why I’m wondering if she was held

LE would not comment on if she was held for any period of time due to ongoing investigation
That’s why I’m wondering if she was held

LE would not comment on if she was held for any period of time due to ongoing investigation
 
  • #205
He has admitted to following her in his car, running behind and alongside her, and getting panicked and angry when she threatened to call police and ran away. He then disposed of her body. Whether or not you believe his story, JMO, I think that shows enough probable cause for intent.
In the presser LE used the word “abducted” from that location

They didn’t use the words “assaulted or killed” at that location

We know LE is putting it all together but I find it interesting because if you go his version he killed her where he approached her, drove to the spot where he did a u-turn then found the spot an disposed of her, so he was claiming she was dead when he saw her head bleeding in the trunk.

There will be more charges added!
 
  • #206
In the presser LE used the word “abducted” from that location

They didn’t use the words “assaulted or killed” at that location

We know LE is putting it all together but I find it interesting because if you go his version he killed her where he approached her, drove to the spot where he did a u-turn then found the spot an disposed of her, so he was claiming she was dead when he saw her head bleeding in the trunk.

There will be more charges added!
I agree. And for all we know there is a third location between 385 and the cornfield.
 
  • #207
I agree. And for all we know there is a third location between 385 and the cornfield.

Like possibly the big basement below either the trailer or the house......
 
  • #208
Moo.....

I get what you’re saying but I think they may have info that says differently.

I’ve been going over the press conference video question by question, it’s hard to here the reporters questions but LE is not giving any information on about her time of death or if she was held.

He states he’s waiting for ME report or he states he’s not going to discuss it at this point that’s it’s an ongoing investigation.

He was asked if she was killed at the abduction site, again he won’t answer that, he says we know she was abducted at that point

I think they gave a timeline to get the arrest warrant based on his story, obviously they need to now backtrack and put the puzzle together.

I’m just leaving the door open to the fact that she may have been held based on his answers and what was quoted in the People article.

I know he can’t answer the questions as the ME report was not done, but they saw the body and they have CR’s version, which is more than what was in the warrant.

Yeah, you right! I too feel like a bird, 'cause all I'm getting here is crumbs

Hey KPM, to make it straight from the get go, all of this is speculation and I respect your's and (almost) everyone else's opinion.

The LE involved in this case are VERY professional, and ain't saying Jack, leaving us with not much to work with.

Right now, it feels like we are trying to figure out what an elephant looks like from an exam of a pile of its dung. With this big a pile of crap in one place we know that it's big, and digging into the mess we determine that it is a herbivore. But someone on WS will post that it could be a Brontosaur, then someone else will post that no, it must have been an impacted hippopotamus.

Please don't go too far down the rabbit hole, before you find yourself in the dark with a dachshund (no offense meant, as it is what they were bred to do). It only leads to frustration, and an increased need to drink!

JMOO
 
  • #209
Like possibly the big basement below either the trailer or the house......
Or like some isolated abandoned buildings right along the way?
 
  • #210
This murder should never have happened.
 
  • #211
Yes I try to avoid the rabbit hole and apply the KISS theory (keep it simple stupid) lol
 
  • #212
Why would they have not charged him with kidnapping (yet)? It seems that is actually what they have him on record admitting to. Obviously they could have added the murder one charge as well or soon after. I'm sure there's a reason murder one is the charge they are holding him on that I'm just not getting. Could someone explain this to me?

This has been on my mind too. It makes me think LE thinks she was already passed before she was put in his car. Maybe? Jmo
 
  • #213
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Yeah, you right! I too feel like a bird, 'cause all I'm getting here is crumbs

Hey KPM, to make it straight from the get go, all of this is speculation and I respect your's and (almost) everyone else's opinion.

The LE involved in this case are VERY professional, and ain't saying Jack, leaving us with not much to work with.

Right now, it feels like we are trying to figure out what an elephant looks like from an exam of a pile of its dung. With this big a pile of crap in one place we know that it's big, and digging into the mess we determine that it is a herbivore. But someone on WS will post that it could be a Brontosaur, then someone else will post that no, it must have been an impacted hippopotamus.

Please don't go too far down the rabbit hole, before you find yourself in the dark with a dachshund (no offense meant, as it is what they were bred to do). It only leads to frustration, and an increased need to drink!

JMOO

Of course it’s all speculation, we have scant facts to sleuth at this point, but that’s why we are all here
 
  • #214
This has been on my mind too. It makes me think LE thinks she was already passed before she was put in his car. Maybe? Jmo
My best guess is they have to prove she was alive when he transported her?
 
  • #215
Why would they have not charged him with kidnapping (yet)? It seems that is actually what they have him on record admitting to. Obviously they could have added the murder one charge as well or soon after. I'm sure there's a reason murder one is the charge they are holding him on that I'm just not getting. Could someone explain this to me?

He hasn't admitted to kidnapping her. He's admitted to approaching her and to waking up from a rage-induced fog and remembering that she was in the trunk but nothing else in between.

All they really know is that she's dead of clearly unnatural causes, that this pendejo is apparently the last person to see her alive, and that he hid her in a corn field. At this point murder is the only thing that sticks.
 
  • #216
Yeah, you're right. CBR is uneducated, unsophisticated, inexperienced in dealing with LE, and not a hardened criminal. New fish learn this kinda stuff from Cons. This is why my ex-con next door neighbor always referred to his 20 years in Angola State Penatentary for murder as his time away at " college". So much time to fill, learning by the old fashioned Socratic method.

CBR likely spilled his guts to the Federalies because he was afraid of them, and did not know any better at the time.

NOW he will.

But he’ll only get to practice his new skills in prison...of that I am sure. He won’t be committing crimes against the public, and he won’t stand out as a tough guy where he is going to spend his life.
 
  • #217
I really dont think he had the " where-with- all" to flee. Too complicated. Besides, he thought he got away with it, in my opinion.
Plus, with all of the publicity Mollie’s case received, if he fled he would automatically raise suspicions in the community.
 
  • #218
He had to know her route if he was circling at Boundary and Middle Str before she was seen jogging at that location.

Numerous times, it was reported that she had three running routes. It's very likely that all three of those routes involved Boundary and Middle Str. if she was jogging to her mother's house.

Premeditation can be as short as circling back and forth looking for the opportunity to approach MT as he did.
 
  • #219
He hasn't admitted to kidnapping her. He's admitted to approaching her and to waking up from a rage-induced fog and remembering that she was in the trunk but nothing else in between.

All they really know is that she's dead of clearly unnatural causes, that this pendejo is apparently the last person to see her alive, and that he hid her in a corn field. At this point murder is the only thing that sticks.

Thats a good summary. There is so many gaps in the story. I am sure LE knows a bit more than they have released, but wouldn't be surprised if CR is withholding details either.
 
  • #220
One thing that passed thru my mind and I do not think happened...and hope it did not...could Mollie have managed to escape the car near the cornfield and run out there, only to be chased and caught again. I only thought of this when discussions came up saying he could not have carried her that far.

But I believe he could and did carry her on his own and told no one what he had done until 8/20 when he was facing LE?
 
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