IA - Mollie Tibbetts, 20, Poweshiek County, 19 Jul 2018 *Arrest* #42

[kpm]

I was wondering if that gate was closed (we don't know if it was locked during the crime), he would have had to park there and get her over/through/around that gate, too.

I didn’t notice a gate when the news crews were there

Usually people lock gates

 

[Jaclin]

I have no idea what brats is, mentioned here several times and Mollie was to have some, that night.
I'm an Australian, and my Capital City won 'most liveable city in the world' several years running. It is known for its cuisine. This year, due to increase in crime, achieved only second possie.

Wonder if you guys have tasted our Vegemite: very popular here!

Brats = Bratwurst. It's a German sausage. It's usually fried, I think, hence "brat" from "braten", but some people boil them.

 

[Followfacts]

I don't think so. The people were living in the home that the video came from.

When I put the address in google maps myself and view the area, There is a house on the left that sits right there at the curve 1900 block 385 Ave, it’s address 1901. It is not the house under construction but sits on that curve On the left. There also appears a cut out to park machinery also just around that curve on left. I don’t know if google satellite maps are simply stock photos or actual time, or pictures like 4 hour ago when a satellite captures the image, just not sure how they work. I do see the house at 1901 385th Ave and also a place to park machinery or turn around, it appears to be concrete drive or gravel. This house may have the best video provided of both Mollie and CR coming closer like this map in this article shows. Map should allow using two fingers to expand and narrow map as it says; Suspect coming closer.Mollie Tibbetts case mystified police until a security camera offered a key clue - CNN

 

[MsBetsy]

Right, some event happened at 7:45 and another at 8:28

In the box “Is date and time of incident know” they wrote NO

They have probable cause to believe based on his admissions and statements that something occurred at those times, what it is we don’t know yet

8:28 could be video of the car leave town or her Fitbit stopping, we just don’t know

I always thought that 8:28 time could be the moment the phone was turned off at some point, but so many others said that the " event that happened" was the entire assault and murder. It was so convincing that that's what I settled on believing. Maybe someone will chime in at some point and give the reasons for thinking that, and whether or not they still believe this to be the case. It's too far back for me to find. I know that someone else brought up the " no" as the answer for date and time of incident known, ( maybe it was you) But they came up with some explanation. Maybe they don't have an official time of death. But how can they not know the date? Maybe because they don't know if she was actually alive until the next morning, or maybe they just can't fill it in because it can't be determined from the autopsy report? Is Mass Guy here? Thought I saw him, ( so to speak) I think he may have read all the previous discussion about this that I am referring to, and can recall what was said more specifically. To me, it was very compelling. At the time. Now of course I don't know what to think. It's important to me because it really helps to piece together the events, and it is that very timeframe most are going by to come up with possible scenarios. If the timeframe is much longer than would really throw everything off! It would be like starting over.

 

[TL4S]

I’m thinking if the gate was open or unlocked, he would have driven in a bit farther rather than carry her. True?

I don't know how flat that drive into the field is, because the Malibu might not have made it very far. My bets are on the gate being closed.

 

[TL4S]

I always thought that 8:28 time could be the moment the phone was turned off at some point, but so many others said that the " event that happened" was the entire assault and murder. It was so convincing that that's what I settled on believing. Maybe someone will chime in at some point and give the reasons for thinking that, and whether or not they still believe this to be the case. It's too far back for me to find. I know that someone else brought up the " no" as the answer for date and time of incident known, ( maybe it was you) But they came up with some explanation. Maybe they don't have an official time of death. But how can they not know the date? Maybe because they don't know if she was actually alive until the next morning, or maybe they just can't fill it in because it can't be determined from the autopsy report? Is Mass Guy here? Thought I saw him, ( so to speak) I think he may have read all the previous discussion about this that I am referring to, and can recall what was said more specifically. To me, it was very compelling. At the time. Now of course I don't know what to think. It's important to me because it really helps to piece together the events, and it is that very timeframe most are going by to come up with possible scenarios. If the timeframe is much longer than would really throw everything off! It would be like starting over.

Yes, the affidavit did say Date and Time known: No, but the beginning and ending dates were both 7/18. That makes me think it's the exact time that's unknown.

 

[TL4S]

I didn’t notice a gate when the news crews were there

Usually people lock gates

Maybe the gate was put up only since, to keep people out.

 

[TL4S]

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I wonder what name his cell phone contract is under?

 

[MsBetsy]

If that 8:28pm is not based on Fitbit, and on something else like him on video, or using a credit card, or some other specific, than maybe they don't have a specific time of death. We may never know. JMO

Yeah, I can't see them relying on that one thing alone. Maybe they still see it as being all one event, beginning of assault, to where at some point either her heart stopped beating, or the phone was separated from the fit bit, but still see that time as being the end of the incident because either way she was either dead or he left her there ( maybe in the cornfield by that time) and in that case,the time of death could have been shortly after. Not too much later, I would assume, with all those sharp force injuries.

 

[Jaclin]

In general appearance.

Regarding IM and MT: They're both female with long dark hair. I don't see a resemblance either.

 

[rebel123]

I remember in the Holly Bobo case her blood was found in the carport when Zach Adams kidnapped her from her home. I always felt he pushed a knife into her side causing blood to be let at the abduction location.

He did not mortally wound her at that time but imo he instilled such fear she was compliant and gave into his demands to go with him.

I think something similar could have happened to Mollie. I do believe he put her in the trunk but at a later time on the way to discard her body.

If he whipped out his knife and put it to her throat or into her ribs causing blood from the nonfatal injury he may have gained control even shoving her inside his vehicle. He would tell her if she fought him he would kll her right there. She would already be aware there was no one around to help her.

While we like to believe victims in this dangerous situations will fight trying to get away but we often see cases where that just wasn't the case. Many of the victims may have thought if they were compliant they could reason with their abductors into finally letting them go. Imo none of them knew the monsters before them were cold as stone and wouldn't show any mercy or compassion..

Imo

Fight-or-flight response - Wikipedia

 

[TL4S]

Yeah, I can't see them relying on that one thing alone. Maybe they still see it as being all one event, beginning of assault, to where at some point either her heart stopped beating, or the phone was separated from the fit bit, but still see that time as being the end of the incident because either way she was either dead or he left her there ( maybe in the cornfield by that time) and in that case,the time of death could have been shortly after. Not too much later, I would assume, with all those sharp force injuries.

Sorry I'm harping on this affidavit, but it's important to me to understand it.

CR's story stops at him getting angry on 385th and blocking his memories. Once he's come to he's near the cornfield, it's not specified whether she was alive or not. But at the end of the affidavit it states about the location "as that where he placed the body." IMO, that sounds like he was saying she was already dead. Unless they know from digital data that she was alive AFTER they left the 385th location, they would probably put 385th on the affidavit because that was the last place CR can say with any certainty she was still alive?

 

[SteveP]

I wonder what name his cell phone contract is under?

It is very possible that he used a prepaid phone card type program or burner phone, neither of which, unless I am wrong, requires ID. Since the car he was driving was not registered to him, I doubt he would be able to pass a credit check required by many cell phone companies before getting a phone contract, unless he paid a substantial deposit. Also, it is very possible that, like the car, his phone may have been in someone else's name as well. And I have also known people who joined together on a "family plan", although they were not family, each having a separate line, and they split the monthly bill. JMO

 

[The Farm]

I wonder what name his cell phone contract is under?

I would think under the ID that he gave the farm for employment but then again it could be under another one too.

 

[Jaclin]

If CR could see an earbud, blood on Mollies head, and see well enough to navigate a cornfield, there had to be enough daylight left to do so. IMO she wasn't placed in the cornfield the evening she went missing.

it would have been dusk, but not dark. There was enough light to see until probably around 9:15 or so.

 

[kpm]

Yeah, I can't see them relying on that one thing alone. Maybe they still see it as being all one event, beginning of assault, to where at some point either her heart stopped beating, or the phone was separated from the fit bit, but still see that time as being the end of the incident because either way she was either dead or he left her there ( maybe in the cornfield by that time) and in that case,the time of death could have been shortly after. Not too much later, I would assume, with all those sharp force injuries.

Until the ME report is known we don’t know when and were her time of death occurred.

I think there is more to this story, and this quote is why.....

Authorities have not revealed when, exactly, Tibbetts was killed.

Mortvedt tells PEOPLE that he can’t discuss whether or not she was held for any period of time after being taken.

Cops Wonder: If Mollie Tibbetts' Accused Killer Has No Record — Who Jumps to Murder That Fast?

 

[rebel123]

And we all have to remember, premeditation doesn’t have to mean planning it all out, it could simply mean following her or seeing her running and getting the urge to assault her, it can happen in seconds.

I’m not sure if it stated in the warrant, but the cops have stated he claims “he was just drawn to her” that night.

Going by what girls and women have said in media interviews; he was 'drawn to them' to.

 

[rebel123]

Until the ME report is known we don’t know when and were her time of death occurred.

I think there is more to this story, and this quotes is why.....

Authorities have not revealed when, exactly, Tibbetts was killed.

Mortvedt tells PEOPLE that he can’t discuss whether or not she was held for any period of time after being taken.

Cops Wonder: If Mollie Tibbetts' Accused Killer Has No Record — Who Jumps to Murder That Fast?

The autopsy report will be released to the family if they request it in writing; other then that it will only be released to LE for their investigation.

 

[MsBetsy]

I don’t know, they obviously suspect it at this point and are hoping th ME can verify a yes or no.

He may just get placed on it for assaulting and transporting?

ETA: If her clothes were placed near the body as stated they may have based the conclusion off that

I think they said found "with" the body. I never heard "placed near the body", rather that it would appear impossible to determine whether she was wearing them or not when she died.

 

[SharonNeedles]

Sorry I'm harping on this affidavit, but it's important to me to understand it.

CR's story stops at him getting angry on 385th and blocking his memories. Once he's come to he's near the cornfield, it's not specified whether she was alive or not. But at the end of the affidavit it states about the location "as that where he placed the body." IMO, that sounds like he was saying she was already dead. Unless they know from digital data that she was alive AFTER they left the 385th location, they would probably put 385th on the affidavit because that was the last place CR can say with any certainty she was still alive?

Absolutely agree.