IA - Mollie Tibbetts, 20, Poweshiek County, 19 Jul 2018 *Arrest* #42

[claire_parker]

I disagree. The parts he leaves out are the embarrassing ones, the incriminating ones, the evil ones. He is saving face, unwilling to admit to the hideous details of a likely rape and murder.
Had he done this with an accomplice, we would have almost certainly learned that by now. He would have thrown this person under the bus early on. This is the type of crime committed by a lone individual, one with sexual gratification on his mind. No matter the cost.

yes he wanted to put himself in the best possible light

 

[Jim G]

Why would the killer lead authorities to the body if he had nothing to gain?

 

[TL4S]

Yes that’s it. This case allegedly involves a violent intentional death and we know that because the autopsy findings revealed the cause of death to be multiple sharp force injuries. There is no other reason for an accused to inflict sharp force injuries upon a victim other than with deliberate intent to kill.

CR was charged with this:

• First-degree murder: any intentional murder that is willful and premeditated with malice aforethought.

It’s not a case of a felony murder whereby a female was abducted or sexually assaulted and for example, while committing the felony the perp slugged the victim in the head to get her to comply ( no intent to kill) but as a result, the victim died.

• Felony murder, a charge that may be filed against a defendant who is involved in a dangerous crime where a death results from the crime,[71] is typically first-degree.[72]

Murder (United States law) - Wikipedia

Wasn't the arrest affidavit released prior to the preliminary autopsy report? I might have that wrong. If so, though, do you think her remains showed enough evidence of violent death for them to use that argument?

 

[MsBetsy]

Good point!

I wonder if he had even thought of that spot beforehand. He probably knew about it.

 

[Jim G]

Did they ever find the Knife?

 

[Jaclin]

Somebody back on the thread mentioned Chevy Malibu's having OnStar tracking, even without service activation. Was that you @gliving ? Have we determined the year of the Malibu, because I can see they came standard starting at least by 2011.

Anyway, if LE was able to get that information prior to the arrest affidavit, the OnStar's GPS location would have been able to see the moment he parked his car on 385th until he left the cornfield, is that correct? Maybe that accounts for the precise times given.

I wonder if Onstar could also indicate where else he may have stopped to dispose of the murder weapon, provided LE didn't find it on his possession or in the house. I hope they checked everywhere within throwing distance from MTs body. Would we even know if the weapon had been found since the press conference?

 

[redsky]

I wonder if Onstar could also indicate where else he may have stopped to dispose of the murder weapon, provided LE didn't find it on his possession or in the house. I hope they checked everywhere within throwing distance from MTs body. Would we even know if the weapon had been found since the press conference?

I don’t think we know that and likely won’t as much as we want to know.

 

[Jaclin]

Wasn't the arrest affidavit released prior to the preliminary autopsy report? I might have that wrong. If so, though, do you think her remains showed enough evidence of violent death for them to use that argument?

her clothing may have indicated cuts

 

[gliving]

Did they ever find the Knife?

Whatever the murder weapon is, they haven't found it.

 

[MsBetsy]

Wasn't the arrest affidavit released prior to the preliminary autopsy report? I might have that wrong. If so, though, do you think her remains showed enough evidence of violent death for them to use that argument?

I would think the autopsy report would have had to reveal cut marks to the bone, but police wouldn't be able to tell that from what what was left of the body. Maybe they were given that information right away, before the report was finished? I'm not sure if they have to wait until the official report is complete. There is usually someone present during the autopsy to observe but I'm not sure how it works in regard to writing up the police report. Jmo

 

[Seattle1]

I've seen many posts characterizing CR as being this or being that; there have been quite a few press interviews from girls / women who have been allegedly accosted by CR over the last 4 years.
LE asked for information on the case; I wonder if any of them put his name forward to LE before he was arrested?

I've posted many of these interviews from Mollie's peers. They also described CR as well spoken and friendly. Some texted with him, and some even FB friends. What changed was at least 2 women suddenly noticed him following them, and being creeped out about the notion of seeing him in a car seemingly watching them yet none felt threatened enough to contact LE or file an incident report about him. Instead, they chose to ignore him next they saw him. What I think was missed by OP is that CR befriended his targets, his prey. His targets were initially at ease with him. CR acted as a skilled predator! I don't think Mollie his first victim. He is very dangerous and the community was at risk. MOO

 

[MsBetsy]

her clothing may have indicated cuts

That's true.

 

[Jim G]

Whatever the murder weapon is, they haven't found it.[/QUOTE
I thought cause of death was listed as knife

 

[kpm]

Wasn't the arrest affidavit released prior to the preliminary autopsy report? I might have that wrong. If so, though, do you think her remains showed enough evidence of violent death for them to use that argument?

Yes, the warrant was before ME autopsy and from the warrant, it appears they were able to possibley view her stab wounds through her clothes or body, something they viewed allowed them to state he caused personal injury to her

13-caused personal injury

http://media.graytvinc.com/documents/082118+DCI+Arrest.pdf

 

[kpm]

Interesting 2002 study University of Tennessee forensic “Body Farm” analysis of cadavers with clothing on compared to nude and effects on decomposition. So the need for anthropologist exam of remains for help with time of death. This study has pictures ( be prepared) taking into account all IV stages of decomposition. If you don’t have the time look at beginning introduction portion and conclusion. I could summarize IMO, but I know lots of experts here and I’m more interested in any thoughts and ideas you have relating to this area.

https://trace.tennessee.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?referer=https://www.google.com/&httpsredir=1&article=2084&context=utk_gradates

Some interesting findings : It was determined that clothing retards the process of decomposition in the spring and summer.

A clothed body takes approximately 1.7 times longer in the spring and twice as long in the summer to decompose than a nude cadaver.

In the conclusion portion of study
Two notable exceptions are rape and homicide victims, and homeless individuals. Victims of rape and homicide are often thrown out nude, or with little clothing. Homeless individuals are known to dress in multiple layers throughout the year, making a season estimate difficult. In such a case, it is assumed that multiple layers would further curtail the decomposition process.

I am going back to read it later, I briefly scanned the photos and dates on the photos, very interesting.

Thanks for posting!

 

[SharonNeedles]

I’m just going to throw this out here, a question I’m struggling with... prior to MT’s body being located there was a lot of focus on 470th street (a mile south of 460th where her body was found). I originally thought that all had to do with WC, but that farm is West of Hwy21 (220th St) and LE was searching intensely the 1 mile stretch East of Hwy21, between 220th and 235th. There had to be a reason for that focus...

I’m thinking we’re speculating CR’s route to the cornfield all wrong. 470th Street definitely came into play early in the search.

 

[TL4S]

Yes, the warrant was before ME autopsy and from the warrant, it appears they were able to possibley view her stab wounds through her clothes or body, something they viewed allowed them to state he caused personal injury to her

13-caused personal injury

http://media.graytvinc.com/documents/082118+DCI+Arrest.pdf

I guess I considered the 13-Cause Personal Injury being on there because she was deceased, seemingly by his hands.

 

[jillycat]

I’m just going to throw this out here, a question I’m struggling with... prior to MT’s body being located there was a lot of focus on 470th street (a mile south of 460th where her body was found). I originally thought that all had to do with WC, but that farm is West of Hwy21 (220th St) and LE was searching intensely the 1 mile stretch East of Hwy21, between 220th and 235th. There had to be a reason for that focus...

I’m thinking we’re speculating CR’s route to the cornfield all wrong. 470th Street definitely came into play early in the search.

If where she was found was strictly a place to hide her, then there's another crime scene (I don't believe she was stabbed multiple times in the abduction that he's lying about). Since his story had gaps and LE is so close-mouthed, maybe they know where she was killed and have a wealth of evidence from that scene that helps fill in the spaces created by the passage of time and the condition of her body at the final scene. I hope so.

 

[Charliegizmo49]

Judges have a vast experience behind them. She also knows much more than is written in court records.


Many of us, without documentation, believe there are many aspects of the case that point to a sexually motivated assault and murder.

I can only hope that the forensic anthrpologist hired can find the evidence to clearly indicate everything that happened to Mollie prior to death.

Mollie did nothing to deserve this. She was a wholesome girl who had a very bright future. She celebrated God and was everything good we wanted for our daughters, sisters and girlfriends. Everyone has a Mollie Tibbets in their circle of family and friends. And most of us are taking the destruction of a sweet, kind girl as s personal affront. She was a perfect phenomenal example of a good Midwest girl.

We will never know what Mollie Tibbetts would have become. That’s certainly a good part of the mystique that envelopes Mollie. Each of us know or hopes she would have been a great scholar, and a compassionate counselor. And that’s part of the reason we are attached to her. Her future is now in the minds of each of us. Our opinions may vary, but we all believe she was destined to live the American Dream. Then an encounter with a monster took it all away. Now we feel the need to stand up and correct that on her behalf. It’s part of the process we need to complete in order to accept her death.

CBR in all likelihood killed a part of our very substance when he murdered Mollie. She was an example of the perfect All American girl next door who everyone lived and admired. Killing her impinged on everything good we believe in a young person.

Whether or not Mollie actually was as perfect as we believe doesn’t matter. We believe she was, and to many of us that’s enough to make it so. And we fight to protect our hero’s and the overall ideals we share.



I’m sorry for MTs family and friends who will miss her dearly. They will have to accept the fact that in death Mollie will take on a celebrity status. <modsnip>>

Mollies death and the death of the good wholesome life she led, somehow touchescus in emotional ways I don’t fully understand. What I do know it becomes almost a crusade to eliminate the evil cause of her death.

Sadly the more efforts her family makes to maintain her deathbas belonging to the family, the more effort will be made to keep it public. Strung together thecsenseless death of a loved one becomes a tragedy. To some it must be stopped. And what ever the effort becomes some people are of the opinion it can be valid.

 

[TL4S]

I’m just going to throw this out here, a question I’m struggling with... prior to MT’s body being located there was a lot of focus on 470th street (a mile south of 460th where her body was found). I originally thought that all had to do with WC, but that farm is West of Hwy21 (220th St) and LE was searching intensely the 1 mile stretch East of Hwy21, between 220th and 235th. There had to be a reason for that focus...

I’m thinking we’re speculating CR’s route to the cornfield all wrong. 470th Street definitely came into play early in the search.

Where is that second picture taken?