IA - Mollie Tibbetts, 20, Poweshiek County, 19 Jul 2018 *Arrest* #42

[mickey2942]

It is definitely not appropriate to use Mollie as an "example" regarding any type of political agenda. Tacky and clueless.

 

[Confusion]

I know, I'm a bit late with my responses.\

I always thought that 8:28 time could be the moment the phone was turned off at some point, but so many others said that the " event that happened" was the entire assault and murder. It was so convincing that that's what I settled on believing. Maybe someone will chime in at some point and give the reasons for thinking that, and whether or not they still believe this to be the case. It's too far back for me to find. I know that someone else brought up the " no" as the answer for date and time of incident known, ( maybe it was you) But they came up with some explanation. Maybe they don't have an official time of death. But how can they not know the date? Maybe because they don't know if she was actually alive until the next morning, or maybe they just can't fill it in because it can't be determined from the autopsy report? Is Mass Guy here? Thought I saw him, ( so to speak) I think he may have read all the previous discussion about this that I am referring to, and can recall what was said more specifically. To me, it was very compelling. At the time. Now of course I don't know what to think. It's important to me because it really helps to piece together the events, and it is that very timeframe most are going by to come up with possible scenarios. If the timeframe is much longer than would really throw everything off! It would be like starting over.

I'm probably way off (as I have been with a lot of my speculation in this case), but I have thought that 7:45 was when she was caught on video and 8:28 was when her fitbit stopped recording her heartbeat, etc.

Sorry I'm harping on this affidavit, but it's important to me to understand it.

CR's story stops at him getting angry on 385th and blocking his memories. Once he's come to he's near the cornfield, it's not specified whether she was alive or not. But at the end of the affidavit it states about the location "as that where he placed the body." IMO, that sounds like he was saying she was already dead. Unless they know from digital data that she was alive AFTER they left the 385th location, they would probably put 385th on the affidavit because that was the last place CR can say with any certainty she was still alive?

I think she was assaulted somewhere between the abduction site and where she was found, and possibly bled out somewhere along the way.

I’m just going to throw this out here, a question I’m struggling with... prior to MT’s body being located there was a lot of focus on 470th street (a mile south of 460th where her body was found). I originally thought that all had to do with WC, but that farm is West of Hwy21 (220th St) and LE was searching intensely the 1 mile stretch East of Hwy21, between 220th and 235th. There had to be a reason for that focus...

I’m thinking we’re speculating CR’s route to the cornfield all wrong. 470th Street definitely came into play early in the search.

Is it possible that when he disposed of her body, he left the phone in his car. I have no idea why he'd go that way, but the battery in her phone may have died one 470th, or he may have realized it was in his car and destroyed it there. It is also possible that he took 200th St. to 470th, and ended up on 460th before he found a suitable place to leave her. I know there was at least a farm or two on 470th, and possibly some traffic he was afraid might see him stop.

MOO

 

[AnnaGrace]

Somebody posted a map of a route some days back that took 19 minutes. Was that you TL4S?
Would that be a possible route or no?

 

[SharonNeedles]

Having been involved in a few high stress events in my own life; after having just killed someone, it might be time to light up a cig (if anybody does that anymore), and to drive around figuring out what to do next. CR may have driven past the hog farm, and further south doing the "Oh hell, what have I done? What do I do now?" mantra before HE DID A U-TURN and eventually ended up at the corn field dump site. And yes it may have been after dusk (21:15), but that is what flashlights are made for. Y'all keep looking for rational behaviours, in the commission of an irrational act. Think panic and fear. Think about how a kid might react after breaking Mom's favorite nick nack and how to cover this up, and that may be closer to CR's frame of mind after 20:28. He may well be an unsophisticated stalker who overreacted, and then committed his first kill. How would y'all react if in his shoes?

I couldn’t agree more. And the route I’m speculating reflects that.

MT2 - Google My Maps

In a panicked state it makes sense he sticks to an area and roads he’s familiar with - and he’s certainly familiar with 400th as he lives on that road. From there it’s a pretty easy and again familiar route to head south away from town near the TA truck stop.

 

[Al Hoffman]

Al, you ought to try the Fresh. With this desert sun you need the SPF 15.

No, I went old school and am sticking with bacon grease for myself, as yesterday was International Bacon Day. But I have plenty of fresh tubes and beer for the rest of you!

 

[human]

Mollie’s dad’s op ed in the paper.

Mollie Tibbetts’s Father Writes Op-Ed: ‘Show Some Decency’

 

[TL4S]

Somebody posted a map of a route some days back that took 19 minutes. Was that you TL4S?
Would that be a possible route or no?

The absolute fastest route according to Bing maps is around 21 minutes, all major highway. I've posted a lot of maps and had some information wrong along the way. It's a learning process for me. Or, that map wasn't mine.

 

[SharonNeedles]

Is it possible that when he disposed of her body, he left the phone in his car. I have no idea why he'd go that way, but the battery in her phone may have died one 470th, or he may have realized it was in his car and destroyed it there.

I don’t think her phone made it to the field on 460th street. Had her phone been with her or in his car at that location it would have been there the whole time CR was removing the body and placing it in the field - plenty of time for a ping to leave record of that and draw LE’s focus early on.

Judging by the intensity of the searches on 470th St on both east and west of Hwy21 it would seem likely that LE was focused on ping locations. That would be consistent with traveling on 470th and crossing Hwy21 - not traveling south and turning off one direction or the other on 470th.

 

[human]

More info on why Mollie’s dad wrote the op ed

‘Do not appropriate’ her soul to advance racist views, demands Mollie Tibbetts’ father in response to Donald Trump Jr

 

[AnnaGrace]

The absolute fastest route according to Bing maps is around 21 minutes, all major highway. I've posted a lot of maps and had some information wrong along the way. It's a learning process for me. Or, that map wasn't mine.

Maybe it was the 21 minute one. I think it was you and you posted several routes at the same time. So maybe he took the fastest route regardless. He was brazen enough to attack and take her off a public road so maybe he was brazen enough to be careless in the route he chose?
Thank you for all your maps.

 

[TL4S]

Let's just pretend for a moment that LE got their 7:45 - 8:28pm time frame from either OnStar or CR's cell phone google location history. 7:45pm - parked on 385th; 8:28pm - left the cornfield. With close to a half hour drive (assuming he took back roads), that leaves 10-15 minutes non-driving time to (not necessarily in chronological order) attack, assault (IF he did), inflict fatal injuries, put into trunk, take out of trunk, drag down edge of cornfield, carry into cornfields, deposit body, cover with corn leaves, and be gone.

Is that enough time?

 

[cody22]

Come on trial ! ..... It will be interesting to learn something new and watch the show the News will bring to this one...... See yall when it happens.

 

[TL4S]

I don’t think her phone made it to the field on 460th street. Had her phone been with her or in his car at that location it would have been there the whole time CR was removing the body and placing it in the field - plenty of time for a ping to leave record of that and draw LE’s focus early on.

Judging by the intensity of the searches on 470th St on both east and west of Hwy21 it would seem likely that LE was focused on ping locations. That would be consistent with traveling on 470th and crossing Hwy21 - not traveling south and turning off one direction or the other on 470th.

I agree with this possibility. And I, too, think those locations were because of cell phone pings. Weren't areas very near where she was found also searched?

 

[AnnaGrace]

8:28 is very specific. Not 8:25 and not 8:30 so that tells me that it was something technical that picked up this time. Just a thought and maybe a crazy one, but what if 8:28 was the time her phone pinged off a tower near the searched farm areas?

 

[Jeng1810]

Let's just pretend for a moment that LE got their 7:45 - 8:28pm time frame from either OnStar or CR's cell phone google location history. 7:45pm - parked on 385th; 8:28pm - left the cornfield. With close to a half hour drive (assuming he took back roads), that leaves 10-15 minutes non-driving time to (not necessarily in chronological order) attack, assault (IF he did), inflict fatal injuries, put into trunk, take out of trunk, drag down edge of cornfield, carry into cornfields, deposit body, cover with corn leaves, and be gone.

Is that enough time?

Imo she was likely unconscious if she was in the trunk like he said. He could have driven to the cornfield, drug her out of the car and intended to SA her. If she fought back he could have just stabbed her and left her. That would allow enough time based on that timeline. I think his plan was to SA her and kill her but I don’t think he had the chance if she was conscious. She would have given every ounce of energy to try and survive.

 

[SharonNeedles]

I agree with this possibility. And I, too, think those locations were because of cell phone pings. Weren't areas very near where she was found also searched?

Yes, but I question how thoroughly. They didn’t mow the ditches so we know it’s nothing like that pic on 470th st.

 

[Followfacts]

As explained previously; only the family could release the autopsy report. I never said that they would; 'If she was your daughter, would you?' Really doesn't come into it. No doubt this will continue for the next few threads; but I'm relaxed about it.

I agree. In this case. No release by anyone and definitely family will not.

The science is what really interests me. I remember the body farm at UT years ago as a student in criminology and their research studying decomposition. Future work and ongoing research in this field is so significant to the Justice delivered for each person and family. To find as precisely as possible scientifically the time of death and to distinguish criminal involvement from other causes of death is evidence. Evidence that punches holes in the case and all the lies and stories defendants use to not be held accountable for their alleged crimes.

 

[TL4S]

Yes, but I question how thoroughly. They didn’t mow the ditches so we know it’s nothing like that pic on 470th st.

Maybe the cell phone pings were within specific sectors of two towers, which narrowed the search area to a few miles with the pig farm and 470 E and W of 21 closer to the center? Just a guess to one possibility.

 

[jillycat]

Screaming and name calling is overreacting. Stalking, isolating, abducting, assaulting, and stabbing multiple times is what you intended. JMO

 

[Al Hoffman]

Screaming and name calling is overreacting. Stalking, isolating, abducting, assaulting, and stabbing multiple times is what you intended. JMO

The term overreacting used to mean escalating is what was meant. And I hear your concern and meaning. No matter what, at the end of the day, and at the end of this case, what you describe is what he did. And the professionals involved in this will deal with CR sans peur et sans reproche. Justice will be done in this case, but it may take time. Take comfort in the fact that CR is now off the street, and is no longer a danger to the public.