IA - Mollie Tibbetts, 20, Poweshiek County, 19 Jul 2018 *Arrest* #42

[MyBelle]

Illegals live in a complicated world, one misstep could cost them everything. You hear it thrown around that illegals actually commit less crime than legal citizens, that’s why. If I were to get pulled over for a DUI the consequences for first offense would cost me thousands, but for an illegal it would cost them their home, their job, their family - everything. That’s a fear that hangs over them every single day. I don’t know if that dictated CR’s actions or not, but the minute he laid his hands on Mollie those fears were realized. At that point it’s game over for him.

And CR knew that and still laid hands on Mollie. He made a conscious, deliberate choice. He absolutely would have been deported. It was well known on July 1st, new regs kicked in that required local LE to work with DHS and place immigration holds. This new rule is because at the time of Sarah Root's murder, the killer was allowed bail and he has fled the country.

 

[ChuckMaureen]

Don’t people have nicknames? Being called by another name is not anything strange or unusual. It would not raise any red flags.

Does everyone you know or encounter in your life refer to you with only your nickname, each and every time?

Now, extend that to 4+ years time.

 

[SharonNeedles]

The cause of death associated with rage also supports his admission that he was mad and very upset.

On the last thread a poster familiar the Spanish language translated what the English word “blocking” might’ve referred to in CRs home country and iirc it’s connected to personally rooted rage as well.

What CR is describing is Dissociative Amnesia. I have no idea how experts would go about derterming if his claim is legit or not. I don’t buy it, but I’m no expert.

 

[glamourkitty1922]

The number was fraudulently obtained by CR. His employer used the same verification process used by other agriculture employers which is why they are cracking down. Jeez.

Yes, but the company ran the number and it came back as valid. Jeez

 

[MsBetsy]

I can't help wondering. The daylight abduction and getting by with it for 5 weeks, the taking the body several miles away for disposal all suggest he's done something similar before. He was helped by the weather, of course.

Apparently, those SAs are unsolved? It is interesting to me that they are outside the county where he lives, but are the surrounding counties. I don't know, he seems too practiced to be a newcomer to this. Then, there is that brown car we know nothing about.

I can't help wondering what he's really all about.

It may very well have been his first kill. He may have been fantasizing about it for years, then finally had the guts to pull it off. I guess we will know what he's really all about when the results of his psychological eval are known, if ever.

 

[MassGuy]

And if MT were still alive and functioning in the trunk, she could have been tearing out the tail/brake light wiring to attract LE attention, if LE were anywhere around to see. Exam of the trunk is going to prove interesting.

My guess is that she was in no condition to function in that way. That car would have a release latch, and a way to enter the back seat of the vehicle. If she was knocked unconscious, restrained, or suffering from severe blood loss, then she wouldn’t have been able to do anything.

I absolutely agree. That trunk is going to have a story to tell.

 

[ChuckMaureen]

What CR is describing is Dissociative Amnesia. I have no idea how experts would go about derterming if his claim is legit or not. I don’t buy it, but I’m no expert.

LE caught up with CR. He was caught dead to rights. He admitted to encountering MT. He led LE to the body. Not providing details of every moment of the encounter will not help him much at trial unless his defense team can convince a jury or judge that someone else stepped in and performed the wet work while CR was in 'block mode'....

 

[Chichi baby]

I suppose if you had a lifestyle-threatening event in your life that meant losing everything you had you might have a different perspective.

When you are living under a pretense, how can that be lifestyle threatening . Everything he did could he livestyle threating including driving.

 

[MsBetsy]

What? Are you serious? He took what he wanted, when he wanted it. He got a 17 year old girl pregnant whenhe could have been responsible and worn condoms. I'm sure IM didnt want to have a baby at her young age. What a fine upstanding young man? Here illegally, fake ids, no license, no insurance, nothing. Then he chooses to take a woman while jogging because he can. He thinks he is entitled. He set out to have sex by any means he had to. Thats it. Btw, i blocked out after my previous post because I was so angry and just now came to.

He probably does feel entitled. He may even believe his superiority justifies what he did. He may even think the investigators and a jury will believe his black out story. Maybe he will even be able to pull off looking remorseful in court next time. You just never know.

 

[MsBetsy]

LE caught up with CR. He was caught dead to rights. He admitted to encountering MT. He led LE to the body. Not providing details of every moment of the encounter will not help him much at trial unless his defense team can convince a jury or judge that someone else stepped in and performed the wet work while CR was in 'block mode'....

Its a very common excuse used by many sociopaths.

 

[Confusion]

Does everyone you know or encounter in your life refer to you with only your nickname, each and every time?

Now, extend that to 4+ years time.

I know it's not the norm, but my aunt has gone by a nickname since she was in her teens. I got a letter from her when I was about 40 with her real name on the return address, and I had no idea who it was. She also has friends she's known for 50+ years who have no idea what her real name is (she's 87 now.) I had several friends in the past that I knew for years before I found out their real names, but I guess it just never occurred to me to ask.MOO

 

[ChuckMaureen]

When you are living under a pretense, how can that be lifestyle threatening . Everything he did could he livestyle threating including driving.

Could be and is are entirely different threat situations. Could be is calculated risk, such as getting on and riding a roller coaster; we know the potential for injury/death but we do it anyway. When MT threatened to contact LE, that's an is event. LE shows up, he loses everything. Definitive. Murdering and hiding MT would be considered a could be event.

 

[glamourkitty1922]

That's the thing. He probably doesn't have a conscience. He just doesn't really care if it was wrong. Imo

Why do you think he thinks murder is wrong? He willingly murdered a girl and doesn't seem care about it. No, he knew and didn't care that murder was illegal. He didn't think it was wrong to kill Mollie. Have you seen remorse or guilt? I haven't.

 

[MsBetsy]

An example of victim blaming is when it’s eluded that the victim has done something intentional to provoke the perp. In the worst case scenario it can be interpreted into a subtle suggestion that the victim deserved to be murdered.

I notice no victim blaming happening here whatsoever.

He told investigators he was just jogging along when she threatened to call police. This angered him. In his view, it's her fault. Jmo

 

[mickey2942]

Yes, but the company ran the number and it came back as valid. Jeez

Which is why, when you apply for a job, HR looks at your Social Security card, and driver's license, or state identification card, or passport. All of the documents match, and go through the E-verify system, verification that the documents are valid.

If you are a legal Permanent Resident, you will also have a Green Card, that is authorization for work.

 

[ChuckMaureen]

Its a very common excuse used by many sociopaths.

It may be an 'excuse' (I can not claim 'many' without knowing statistics) claimed by that type but as of yet, we have no indication of CR having been described as a 'sociopath' or exhibiting sociopathic tendency.

 

[MyBelle]

Is he getting married?

Heck if I know. Another poster brought up marriage and said CR could easily obtain a marriage license and a Green card. I strongly disagree.

 

[MsBetsy]

Why do you think he thinks murder is wrong? He willingly murdered a girl and doesn't seem care about it. No, he knew and didn't care that murder was illegal. He didn't think it was wrong to kill Mollie. Have you seen remorse or guilt? I haven't.

Exactly. That's why I said he does not have a conscience. He justifies the killing in his own mind because she made him angry. He has no empathy, no remorse, no feelings of guilt. He killed her for the thrill. Imo

 

[glamourkitty1922]

How do you know that? I think a lot of people that come here to work and send money home to their families are pressured to do so. If his uncle brought him at 13 or 14 who's to say he had a choice?

His father said it. He went to Iowa because his uncle was already living here. He ocassionally sent money home. He obviously didn't feel pressured.
Suspect’s relatives say they’re baffled by arrest in Mollie Tibbetts case

 

[KaaBoom]

Do you need a SSN to work tho? For taxes withholding?

Not necessarily. If you are getting paid in cash, which is how many undocumented immigrants get paid, you don't need one. Otherwise, you need a Social Security number. But not necessarily one issue to you.