IA - Mollie Tibbetts, 20, Poweshiek County, 19 Jul 2018 *Arrest* #42

[SharonNeedles]

Sounds as though you need to take your own advice: DO NOT STOP. Call the police and let them help.

No, I’m not going to change who I am. As a whole we’re pretty neighborly around here, I’ll stay that way.

 

[MsBetsy]

This guy committed what is almost certainly, a sexually motivated murder. This doesn’t come out of nowhere, and there will be past behaviors that show a propensity for criminal activity (sexual harassment, assaults, stalking, peeping, etc).

But you’re right. Taking one particular past action and saying that it was a sign of things to come, isn’t a solid approach. Getting a girlfriend pregnant isn’t a good example, but something like abusive behavior towards her, would be.

It is extremely common for young couples in that culture to have babies very young. They are very family oriented, and it's not uncommon at all to see 19 year olds with at least two children. So although that's not such a great example , as you say there likely will be some evidence and imo there already is evidence to suggest this crime was committed by someone other than a normal person who just "snapped."

 

[ChuckMaureen]

If his purpose for pulling over, and running alongside of her, was so he could ask her on a date, and she told him 'NO, go away please'---he would have no reason to throw her in the trunk of his car. He could have just left her alone.

She was not going to call the cops unless he kept following and harassing her. He could have stopped.

But he didn't stop because he was not there just to flirt or ask her to dinner.

However if we go with your scenario, and he only reacted that way because he was worried ABOUT LOSING WHAT HE HAD---then I am afraid that he is a monster.

He is the one that is breaking our laws, living here illegally, using stolen identity to stay here and work. Those are his own choices. And when he aggressively pursues a woman, to the point she feels the need to call 911, he decides to KILL HER, to cover up his previous crimes.

That is not the description of a 'regular, good guy.' That describes a violent criminal with no conscience, IMO.

I expect CR having been born in Mexico (assumed) and allegedly having significantly negative experiences there and risking his existence coming to the States illegally (allegedly) and living under possible threat of discovery for many years could have skewed his sensibilities to a point where he could not live what we label a 'normal' existence. This is not looking for excuses for his behavior, but it is looking for potential reasoning that may describe what he's become. If we assume all this is true, CR will have lived his entire adult life maintaining some level of fear and nervousness; that is significant.

 

[1987]

Of course they do. I have known many who do. They get married, they drive, they work, they do everything a US citizen does.

I don't think it is known that they are illegal or not until they do something extreme to draw attention to themselves. infact I don't think laws matter period except to those that intend to follow them. being here illegal tells me that there is no intent of following law, the intent is to not get caught not following the law. all that said it would have been no less horrific if MT had been killed by a legal or born us citizen.

 

[MsBetsy]

How do you know he stalked her for two days?

He reported that he saw her when he was driving around the night before as well as circling around right before the murder. In my opinion he was watching her.

 

[Chichi baby]

I don't think it is known that they are illegal or not until they do something extreme to draw attention to themselves. infact I don't think laws matter period except to those that intend to follow them. being here illegal tells me that there is no intent of following law, the intent is to not get caught not following the law. all that said it would have been no less horrific if MT had been killed by a legal or born us citizen.

But she wasnt..

 

[Deleted member 39678]

He reported that he saw her when he was driving around the night before as well as circling around right before the murder. In my opinion he was watching her.

How is seeing her once before the murder considered to be stalking?

 

[mickey2942]

No, I’m not going to change who I am. As a whole we’re pretty neighborly around here, I’ll stay that way.

True, we are "neighborly" around here too.
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But, now, I think I will pass some folks by...

 

[glamourkitty1922]

And we know this from watching him 10 minutes on TV?

It's pretty obvious since he MURDERED a girl. He showed no change in behavior, he is lying about what he did, and if stalking that girl along the street isn't predatory, then what is?

 

[MyBelle]

Of course they do. I have known many who do. They get married, they drive, they work, they do everything a US citizen does.

Not in Iowa which is where this crime took place.

 

[Confusion]

That wasn’t quite the same as the Spanish word the poster thought had been translated into “blocked”. The suggestion was its a word that has no exact English translation. I’ll see if I can find the post tomorrow, it was interesting. Iirc the translational of the “blocking” was intentional but I might be wrong.

I hate sharing personal information, and I've been doing way too much of it here lately, but here I go again.

It has been bothering me a bit seeing so many people saying that blocking memories is just an excuse for doing things you don't want to admit to and that it doesn't really happen. I have no idea if CR really does have a memory block or not, but I know for a fact that they do happen. I spent many years in therapy to get past having it happen any time I was in a situation I didn't like. I'd get into my car at home, and the next thing I knew I'd be 150 miles away without even a memory of starting the car mainly because I thought the drive was a bore. I an remember the beginning and end (after it was over) of each time I was raped, but I can't actually remember ever having sex in my life - which I have obviously done since I have two sons. I was violent a few times in response to someone getting too "friendly" with me, and broke bottles over a few heads and pulled a knife on someone twice (luckily, they backed off and I never used it either time.) I also don't remember any of those things, but was told by enough people to make me believe it was the truth.

I've been fortunate enough to be able to get help before I ever took that last step, but I am thankful every day that I did. Because of that, I'm not going to try to guess what's in CR's head. Whether he remembers what he did or not, he needs to pay for it. Whether he remembers it or not, he also needs help with anger management if he really wasn't planning to kill her originally. If he was planning it all along, I don't think I have to say what I think he needs. MOO

 

[1987]

But she wasnt..

I agree, was just pointing that out before someone said I was stuck on him being illegal.

 

[glamourkitty1922]

How is seeing her once before the murder considered to be stalking?

He ran after her, hunted her down. That is stalking.

 

[MyBelle]

How is seeing her once before the murder considered to be stalking?

LE said CR was following Mollie in his car prior to confronting her. That's stalking.

 

[ChuckMaureen]

CR's employer did not use e-Verify. I think after this case it may be a requirement of all employers in Iowa.

Of particular note is, CR's employer's spokesperson originally stated they used e-Verify to vet CR's identification. e-Verify chimed in and reported the employer is not a member of e-Verify. I wish this aspect of the case could be discussed, but... we are muted.

 

[Jaclin]

Why do you think he thinks murder is wrong? He willingly murdered a girl and doesn't seem care about it. No, he knew and didn't care that murder was illegal. He didn't think it was wrong to kill Mollie. Have you seen remorse or guilt? I haven't.

I can't pretend to know what he thinks, but him killing someone is certainly not proof that he didn't know killing was wrong. Lots of people do things they know are wrong everyday - lying being the biggest example.

 

[scarlettbones]

He reported that he saw her when he was driving around the night before as well as circling around right before the murder. In my opinion he was watching her.

Do you have a link to support that? Also, if that is true, seeing her once the day before and then the next day doesn't sound like "stalking for two days". Moo.

 

[1987]

He ran after her, hunted her down. That is stalking.

and the cctv should show days leading up to, not just day of. we don't know as fact, but I am sure LE does.

 

[MsBetsy]

I don't see that as blaming her, but I guess we all see things from our own perspective. If I were the one making that statement, I would be saying that when she said that I got angry (that I didn't exercise self-control), not that she was responsible for my behavior. I guess we may never know which of us he actually thinks like. MOO

I'm sure he didn't come right out and say she was responsible for getting him upset, that's what I mean by it being subtle. I'm also pretty sure he wasn't as polite as you and say that he "did not exercise self control."

 

[Al Hoffman]

Do you need a SSN to work tho? For taxes withholding?

Nope, just a IRS provided Tax Payer ID number. The only thing the IRS normally cares about is that you report all your income, file in a timely manner and pay taxes. They are not even too pickey about how you made the money, unless it looks like your are cheating on taxes or concealing income to make it. Criminal income is OK, as long as you pay. They don't ask, you don't have to incriminate your self. However, the rest of Federal LE might not be as blind or understanding. Remember, the only thing the Feds were ever able to pin on Al Capone was Income Tax evasion. Why do you think Tony Saprano makes his money through a garbage collection company. You need a legit reason for the money, and it makes it easier to deal with the IRS and things like payroll...except for that money in the safe under the pool. That could get him an all expense paid vacation at a Federal spa.