IA - Mollie Tibbetts, 20, Poweshiek County, 19 Jul 2018 *Arrest* #42

[di anna]

I know this has probably been discussed previously. But I cannot figure out how CR initally started this situation (besides what he told LE). How the heck did he get a fit young woman (in broad day light) into his vehicle. That's my deal I just cannot fathom this. Getting to her physically, interacting with her, putting her in his trunk, delivering her to a cornfield. That's alot of movement in awake hours. Also how does the farm or agriculture business benefit so much hiring these guys. Of course I guess I can anwser my own question , because saving on labor is where you cut your costs so you have more profit. I am very impressed with the sleuthing going on here about his background, because really this guy almost pulled off the perfect crime.
Over half of America (I know I was) praying for her to be found to give her family some closure. And now this................

 

[Sillybilly]

Closing up for the night now.

Good Night, and check back in the morning.

 

[Tricia]

Good Morning Websleuths Members and Guests.
Mollie's thread is open.
Take Care,
Tricia

 

[kpm]

Good morning all

 

[SteveP]

Don’t people have nicknames? Being called by another name is not anything strange or unusual. It would not raise any red flags.

Respectfully, there is a difference between using a nickname and using a fake name. My name is Stephen, and I go by 'Steve', or a few people close to me actually refer to me as 'Boomer', but they always know my real first and last name, and I use my complete real name on anything legal. I am not sure that we know for certain, but the sense that I have is that CR's ENTIRE name was fake. To me, that is a lot different than using a nickname. JMO

 

[SharonNeedles]

Its just my opinion that he had no other reason to be in Brooklnn, driving around streets that she was jogging on, the day before unless he was watching out for her. I'm not saying he was following her around other than that. It would make sense if the murder was premeditated, that he might be considering which was the perfect moment. After all, he did end up picking the perfect time, when she was in an isolated area, towards the end of her run, when she was probably exhausted. In my mind there is no reason why he would have seen her the night before other than to see her on purpose. He admitted to police he had seen her the night before. It's either in an article or the police statement. I'm not sure what the link is but it has also been mentioned by others, so maybe someone else knows?

He had no other reason to be in Brooklyn? He lived there. People don’t just go to work then go home, it’s likely he goes into town quite often.

 

[tmar]

I live in a gated community where they just love to pull people over. One Halloween night, after driving around all over the place with a thousand kids everywhere, I got pulled over because I swerved onto the shoulder while handing my daughter her hot chocolate. It was the road near my home, no cars in sight. He gave me a ticket for reckless driving and accused me of drinking alcohol! After driving around with tons of kids in the streets! That same guy pulled me over 10 times in one year.

Next time he stops you, have a great line ready, but not one that would cause you more trouble.
What about: "We meet again" and smile.
or "Wonder if I did anything wrong, this time".
But Betsy, if you are locked up for being cheeky, I won't be able to visit.

 

[The Farm]

Good Morning.

 

[Tricia]

Good Morning Websleuths Members and Guests.
Mollie's thread is open.
Take Care,
Tricia

 

[SharonNeedles]

Forget the word " stalking" I shouldn't have used it. He was driving in Brooklyn, on the route she was running, the day before the attack. He lives 15 miles away, about . ( not sure how far, so don't quote me, please ) In my opinion he had no other reason to be there other than the fact that she was there. Maybe he just happened to see her, then went back at the same time to find her, we don't know. But since we are pretty sure this was a planned attack, I don't see how it wouldnt be likely that he was looking for her in advance.

Quoting you only to clarify - it’s about 2 miles to town from where he lived.

 

[kpm]

Respectfully, there is a difference between using a nickname and using a fake name. My name is Stephen, and I go by 'Steve', or some people close to me actually refer to me as 'Boomer', but they always know my real first and last name, and I use my complete real name on anything legal. I am not sure that we know for certain, but the sense that I have is that CR's ENTIRE name was fake. To me, that is a lot different than using a nickname. JMO

Agree

He wasn’t just going by a nickname, he had a fake or stolen identity, even the dairy farm said they do not know him as CR, they know him by another name.

 

[The Farm]

Quoting you only to clarify - it’s about 2 miles to town from where he lived.

I do not think some people realize a rural area. You come off of the farm/ranch to go to town to get things, see people, visit a doctor etc. Otherwise you spend a lot of time talking to the livestock.
Not everyone goes into town to stalk and kill. CR did because that was where he went to do those things like the store he visited for snacks. My opinion still stands that he had his eye on Mollie and maybe others who ran but the opportunity to get Mollie arose and he swiftly did what he had been planning.

 

[kpm]

This is all we know so far about the contact CR had with Mollie, LE is not elaborating on the extent of his sightings or encounters with her.


.....Chevy Malibu that was seen on July 18 “driving back and forth” in the same area of Brooklyn where Tibbetts had been running.

Under questioning he allegedly admitted crossing paths in Brooklyn with a “female jogger” — believed to be Tibbetts — whom he followed in his car before getting out and then following “behind and alongside” her.

However, they said, Rivera “seemed to be drawn to her [Tibbetts] on that particular day and chose to abduct her.”

Rivera had allegedly seen Tibbetts before, according to Rick Rahn of the Iowa Division of Criminal Investigation, but he told reporters on Tuesday that he could not elaborate.

Mollie Tibbetts' Accused Killer Describes Finding Her Body in His Trunk After Her Jog: Police

 

[Ragnarok]

Please don't feel like your opinions are not welcomed. Since we only have the facts LE has handed to us, we're ALL just guessing. I'm not ready to settle on any one scenario and shoot down everyone else who doesn't see it the same way. In fact, there's a lot to be learned from each other.

People's theories here come from personal experiences and beliefs, educated backgrounds, research, and gut feelings. I don't recall a single one of us, prior to MT's body being found, stating, "JMO It's an illegal immigrant who works on a dairy farm (MOO) with an anger problem that causes him to 'block' his 'memories' and drive 15 miles south and she'll be found covered in corn leaves."

Please don't feel like your opinions are not welcomed. Since we only have the facts LE has handed to us, we're ALL just guessing. I'm not ready to settle on any one scenario and shoot down everyone else who doesn't see it the same way. In fact, there's a lot to be learned from each other.

People's theories here come from personal experiences and beliefs, educated backgrounds, research, and gut feelings. I don't recall a single one of us, prior to MT's body being found, stating, "JMO It's an illegal immigrant who works on a dairy farm (MOO) with an anger problem that causes him to 'block' his 'memories' and drive 15 miles south and she'll be found covered in corn leaves."

My own theory after hearing the boy friend's story was that a friend knowing he was away made a play for MT that went seriously bad. Told wife I'd bet money on it.

 

[MsBetsy]

I’d describe your scenario as your daughter giving you an excuse about why she failed to remember her backpack.

That’s not a good comparison to Mollie, who had every right to say no, leave me alone or I’ll call police.

I have no idea why you would think I am comparing that to Mollie. Of course she had every right to say leave me alone. That has absolutely NOTHING to do with what I said. My response was a direct reply to someone who had replied that Rivera was blaming the victim. Since many people don't agree, I was just giving an example of how blaming someone else for your actions can be very subtle. I'll give another example you might be able to understand better: A man hits his wife. Later he apologizes, saying," I'm so sorry, I didn't mean it, you just got me so angry." Although he is not coming right out and saying it, he is hinting that it's HER fault that he got mad and hit her. Is that a little bit clearer? Can you see how he is victim blaming?

 

[MsBetsy]

He had no other reason to be in Brooklyn? He lived there. People don’t just go to work then go home, it’s likely he goes into town quite often.

He only lived two miles away? I thought it was further. I didn't realize it was so close. For some reason I thought the farm he lived in was 15 minutes away, and he would be doing errands in a town closer to him. Well in that case he would have seen her quite frequently, I imagine, which would explain how he knew her run so well, and exactly where the perfect spot would be to abduct her. I still suspect he was following her. At the very least on the day of the murder, which I understand is not the LEGAL definition of stalking, but is still stalking ( such as in the way one " stalks" a deer) so I won't use that word anymore. Either way, he followed her, waited for the perfect moment, then chased her down, and brutally murdered her, which in my opinion he had every intention of doing from the moment he saw her that day.

 

[rebel123]

This is all we know so far about the contact CR had with Mollie, LE is not elaborating on the extent of his sightings or encounters with her.


.....Chevy Malibu that was seen on July 18 “driving back and forth” in the same area of Brooklyn where Tibbetts had been running.

Under questioning he allegedly admitted crossing paths in Brooklyn with a “female jogger” — believed to be Tibbetts — whom he followed in his car before getting out and then following “behind and alongside” her.

However, they said, Rivera “seemed to be drawn to her [Tibbetts] on that particular day and chose to abduct her.”

Rivera had allegedly seen Tibbetts before, according to Rick Rahn of the Iowa Division of Criminal Investigation, but he told reporters on Tuesday that he could not elaborate.

Mollie Tibbetts' Accused Killer Describes Finding Her Body in His Trunk After Her Jog: Police

Neat post; agree 100%.

 

[kpm]

He only lived two miles away? I thought it was further. I didn't realize it was so close. For some reason I thought the farm he lived in was 15 minutes away, and he would be doing errands in a town closer to him. Well in that case he would have seen her quite frequently, I imagine, which would explain how he knew her run so well, and exactly where the perfect spot would be to abduct her. I still suspect he was following her. At the very least on the day of the murder, which I understand is not the LEGAL definition of stalking, but is still stalking ( such as in the way one " stalks" a deer) so I won't use that word anymore. Either way, he followed her, waited for the perfect moment, then chased her down, and brutally murdered her, which in my opinion he had every intention of doing from the moment he saw her that day.

It’s confusing!

The map seems like the distances are much further

I think he would see her often and when he was visiting his daughter as well

I also agree with you that CR was attempting to blame her, it was her fault in his mind that he got mad, blocked out and committed his heinous act.

We all know that’s total BS but that’s what many abusers do!

 

[Ragnarok]

I know this has probably been discussed previously. But I cannot figure out how CR initally started this situation (besides what he told LE). How the heck did he get a fit young woman (in broad day light) into his vehicle. That's my deal I just cannot fathom this. Getting to her physically, interacting with her, putting her in his trunk, delivering her to a cornfield. That's alot of movement in awake hours. Also how does the farm or agriculture business benefit so much hiring these guys. Of course I guess I can anwser my own question , because saving on labor is where you cut your costs so you have more profit. I am very impressed with the sleuthing going on here about his background, because really this guy almost pulled off the perfect crime.
Over half of America (I know I was) praying for her to be found to give her family some closure. And now this................

People in general do not expect confrontation. Sure we may have an unease and go on guard but few are prepared for outright violence against them. The perp always has the advantage because they know what they want and willing to act.

Yes, Mollie was fit, for a runner. Males have a muscle advantage over females. Males are also more apt to have fight experience from growing up. CBR was a farm hand and would have the absolute physical advantage over MT.

Regardless of CBR intent, whether queued from MT reaction or he was premeditated for sexual gratification, she lost the moment he went physical. Her only hope IMO was if someone had happened by.

I have a 19 YO niece who trained in martial arts from a very young age. Progressed through multiple belts including different black belts. Did the child dance seasons and played HS soccer. She is very fit and situationally aware but I believe she would be hard pressed if confronted by the likes of CBR.

 

[MsBetsy]

I do not think some people realize a rural area. You come off of the farm/ranch to go to town to get things, see people, visit a doctor etc. Otherwise you spend a lot of time talking to the livestock.
Not everyone goes into town to stalk and kill. CR did because that was where he went to do those things like the store he visited for snacks. My opinion still stands that he had his eye on Mollie and maybe others who ran but the opportunity to get Mollie arose and he swiftly did what he had been planning.

I agree. I didn't realize he lived only 2 miles away from where he abducted her. Or at least from her jogging route. But that actually makes me more sure that he may have been watching out for her in the days leading up to the crime. Even on the day of the crime, I think he was just circling around maybe working up his nerve, or waiting for the perfect moment when she was isolated. I don't think the actual concept of asking her for a date would even enter his mind.