IA - Mollie Tibbetts, 20, Poweshiek County, 19 Jul 2018 *Arrest* #42

[kpm]

Neat post; agree 100%.

It really doesn’t matter how long he *stalked* her to prove premeditation in this case, it could be years, months, days or seconds, he had time to think about what he was doing.

He had numerous opportunities to stop his hunt

Her circled her

He parked and then ran beside her and behind her

She threatened to call 911

 

[kpm]

I agree. I didn't realize he lived only 2 miles away from where he abducted her. Or at least from her jogging route. But that actually makes me more sure that he may have been watching out for her in the days leading up to the crime. Even on the day of the crime, I think he was just circling around maybe working up his nerve, or waiting for the perfect moment when she was isolated. I don't think the actual concept of asking her for a date would even enter his mind.

No

He was not intending to ask her out

 

[SharonNeedles]

He only lived two miles away? I thought it was further. I didn't realize it was so close. For some reason I thought the farm he lived in was 15 minutes away, and he would be doing errands in a town closer to him. Well in that case he would have seen her quite frequently, I imagine, which would explain how he knew her run so well, and exactly where the perfect spot would be to abduct her. I still suspect he was following her. At the very least on the day of the murder, which I understand is not the LEGAL definition of stalking, but is still stalking ( such as in the way one " stalks" a deer) so I won't use that word anymore. Either way, he followed her, waited for the perfect moment, then chased her down, and brutally murdered her, which in my opinion he had every intention of doing from the moment he saw her that day.

You were probably thinking of WC, he lives about 15 miles away.

 

[MsBetsy]

Next time he stops you, have a great line ready, but not one that would cause you more trouble.
What about: "We meet again" and smile.
or "Wonder if I did anything wrong, this time".
But Betsy, if you are locked up for being cheeky, I won't be able to visit.

Thank you for the advice! Last time he pulled me over, he said there were reports of a white Subaru passing people on the main road. Had that been me by any chance? I smiled (almost laughed actually) and said, " no sir that was most definitely not me!" He must think I'm a real wild woman.

 

[rebel123]

Pure speculation; maybe he ran beside her and Mollie thought I've just had enough of him; she pushed him, he lost his balance and fell down; that angered and outraged him; looking at his physique, I think it's possible.

 

[MsBetsy]

You were probably thinking of WC, he lives about 15 miles away.

Could be. If he lives that close than it's no surprise he would have seen her even often.

 

[MsBetsy]

Pure speculation; maybe he ran beside her and Mollie thought I've just had enough of him; she pushed him, he lost his balance and fell down; that angered and outraged him; looking at his physique, I think it's possible.

May be. You just never know.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I know this has probably been discussed previously. But I caunnot figure out how CR initally started this situation (besides what he told LE). How the heck did he get a fit young woman (in broad day light) into his vehicle. That's my deal I just cannot fathom this. Getting to her physically, interacting with her, putting her in his trunk, delivering her to a cornfield. That's alot of movement in awake hours. Also how does the farm or agriculture business benefit so much hiring these guys. Of course I guess I can anwser my own question , because saving on labor is where you cut your costs so you have more profit. I am very impressed with the sleuthing going on here about his background, because really this guy almost pulled off the perfect crime.
Over half of America (I know I was) praying for her to be found to give her family some closure. And now this................

I think to know the answers would be for every convicted kidnapper...rapist and murderer to layout details of how they were able to abduct their victims into their vehicles.

The study would be vast for there have been so so so many victims just like Mollie. The victims are voluminous. For decades this has happened to others. Tragically...Mollie will not be the last victim who is kidnapped by a predator like CR.

These abducted victims come from all walks of life ...educations..and ages. Many have been young and physically fit like Mollie. No one is immune or protected.

Abducting Mollie wasn't hard for this defendant. I wish it had been. Like all they gain control through fear ...violent threats...and they usually make sure the victim has no one to help them.

Most victims were abducted when they were alone. Although other abductions have happened in broad daylight on busy streets yet no one saw or heard anything.

Imo

 

[MsBetsy]

No

He was not intending to ask her out

Yeah I can't see it at all. I can't even see him thinking that she would consider "hooking up" but that's just my opinion, as usual.

 

[human]

Only if they MURDER someone.

Jjjjjjjk

Agree

He wasn’t just going by a nickname, he had a fake or stolen identity, even the dairy farm said they do not know him as CR, they know him by another name.

People were talking about how he was known by another name instead of what was on his paperwork. How strange that was that no one was alerted by that anomaly

I think posters have given sufficient information to show that having a name that is used by friends,acquaintances , etc. is a perhaps even a common occurrence.

Especially if one is from a foreign country, their naming may be far different than how is done in the US,

Where I live, they are required to have a European name . They also have their native name. Often at the time of a significant death, they may change their first name.

I doubt if anyone that had a relationship with him thought about his names at all, I doubt if he was going to social events with his employer

 

[human]

Chris Watts who killed his wife and little children in Colorado blames his wife. Says he killed her because she killed the kids.

There is nothing unusual in CR saying it his not his fault. Totally typical. Probably nothing in his life is his fault.

It is interesting how people say CR is such a great guy, They said that about Chris Watts as well.

 

[The Farm]

You might find this interesting speaking of given names.
Having worked for years at a University the number of International students is amazing. After 9/11 certain countries more or less dropped/put a hold on but others continued full force.
When students came over with names that were impossible to spell or pronounce to an American the International Dept. for the University gave them American first names. Not officially but everyone would call them by say Tommy, Sheri etc.
All their official things such as student ID's had their real name on them.
So pretty much right away they are under a different name!

 

[Bravo]

We don't know what LE was throwing at him when he came up with his "story". I think he was boxed in and came up with his version. IMO he likely is a Sociopath. How often do we hear "what a wonderful person" what he was behind closed doors, if crossed etc. etc. is likely very different. We may never hear given some of his peers status. Again I believe this was a blitz attack. Mollie has her earbuds in and doesn't even hear him approaching. Quick grab, possibly disable. She is then at his mercy.

 

[borndem]

Good Morning, WS Peeps!

 

[MsBetsy]

This is all we know so far about the contact CR had with Mollie, LE is not elaborating on the extent of his sightings or encounters with her.


.....Chevy Malibu that was seen on July 18 “driving back and forth” in the same area of Brooklyn where Tibbetts had been running.

Under questioning he allegedly admitted crossing paths in Brooklyn with a “female jogger” — believed to be Tibbetts — whom he followed in his car before getting out and then following “behind and alongside” her.

However, they said, Rivera “seemed to be drawn to her [Tibbetts] on that particular day and chose to abduct her.”

Rivera had allegedly seen Tibbetts before, according to Rick Rahn of the Iowa Division of Criminal Investigation, but he told reporters on Tuesday that he could not elaborate.

Mollie Tibbetts' Accused Killer Describes Finding Her Body in His Trunk After Her Jog: Police

Thank you, I don't know how to do the link thing, and several people were asking for it, including me. I had said that police stated he had seen her before, and some people changed that to " followed" which was just my opinion of what he was doing. I never meant to quote police in the first place. I also thought, many threads ago, it was stated and discussed that he said he had seen her jogging the day before. Maybe it wasn't the day before. I didn't mean to give the impression he was following her around for 24 hours. That's not what I meant at all. At any rate, I do believe that by circling around he was seeking her out. I would describe that as predatory behavior.

 

[kpm]

A Mexican man charged with killing an Iowa college student worked on a dairy farm for years under a false name


His colleagues were stunned Tuesday to learn that he was not only the suspect in Tibbetts' death, but that he had a different real name than what he went by on the farm, he said.

“Our employee is not who he said he was," Lang said at a news conference at the farm.

"This was shocking to us."

When Rivera was hired in 2014, he presented an out-of-state government-issued photo identification and a matching Social Security card, he said.

That information was run through the Social Security Administration's employment-verification system and checked out, he said.




Mollie Tibbetts murder suspect worked under fake name

 

[kpm]

Thank you, I don't know how to do the link thing, and several people were asking for it, including me. I had said that police stated he had seen her before, and some people changed that to " followed" which was just my opinion of what he was doing. I never meant to quote police in the first place. I also thought, many threads ago, it was stated and discussed that he said he had seen her jogging the day before. Maybe it wasn't the day before. I didn't mean to give the impression he was following her around for 24 hours. That's not what I meant at all. At any rate, I do believe that by circling around he was seeking her out. I would describe that as predatory behavior.

Yep, that day it was predatory

I think by LE giving a timeframe of 5-10 at the one press conference they have him on video those times too, not just the 7:45-8:28.

They may also have of him days before as well now that the car has been identified, there is also that second car we don’t know about too, I think we will come to find out he was watching her for some time before he made his move.

Or watching and following other females in town

 

[rebel123]

We don't know what LE was throwing at him when he came up with his "story". I think he was boxed in and came up with his version. IMO he likely is a Sociopath. How often do we hear "what a wonderful person" what he was behind closed doors, if crossed etc. etc. is likely very different. We may never hear given some of his peers status. Again I believe this was a blitz attack. Mollie has her earbuds in and doesn't even hear him approaching. Quick grab, possibly disable. She is then at his mercy.

The problem that CR and his new lawyers have is that CR has given his story; LE has the Fitbit and digital footprint associated with Mollie; LE will want to see if there is a tie up with his story (there are chunks missing); I think his story will be very different to the Fitbit and digital footprint evidence that LE has.

 

[Charliegizmo49]

Ok. Seems some folks have an issue with using the descriptive term STALKING.

What does that mean to you?

Following her

Once

Twice

For a week?

For a month?

 

[kpm]

We don't know what LE was throwing at him when he came up with his "story". I think he was boxed in and came up with his version. IMO he likely is a Sociopath. How often do we hear "what a wonderful person" what he was behind closed doors, if crossed etc. etc. is likely very different. We may never hear given some of his peers status. Again I believe this was a blitz attack. Mollie has her earbuds in and doesn't even hear him approaching. Quick grab, possibly disable. She is then at his mercy.

I think it was a quick ambush, I can’t see him parking his car to run after her, that would cause way too much suspicion and he would have to carry her back to the car, open his trunk and put her in all in broad daylight.