IA - Mollie Tibbetts, 20, Poweshiek County, 19 Jul 2018 *Arrest* #42

[MsBetsy]

And we know this from watching him 10 minutes on TV?

No! Not at all, in fact I don't even have TV. I think he is deceitful and lacks remorse or guilt mainly because others said he went right back to work the next day and was his normal self. This was only several hours after he chased down his victim, then in a state of frenzy and violence, brutally murdered a young girl by stabbing or chopping her over and over again, an act which he must have known would cause agony to any human, and then went on to work like nothing happened. In a normal person, the guilt would be eating away at them for 5 weeks. With any conscience, one would want to confess to what they did to at least ease the families torture. This is why I feel he has no remorse, and does not value human life. He held his own daughter in his arms while knowing he had taken away another.

 

[pamelado2]

Its just my opinion that he had no other reason to be in Brooklnn, driving around streets that she was jogging on, the day before unless he was watching out for her. I'm not saying he was following her around other than that. It would make sense if the murder was premeditated, that he might be considering which was the perfect moment. After all, he did end up picking the perfect time, when she was in an isolated area, towards the end of her run, when she was probably exhausted. In my mind there is no reason why he would have seen her the night before other than to see her on purpose. He admitted to police he had seen her the night before. It's either in an article or the police statement. I'm not sure what the link is but it has also been mentioned by others, so maybe someone else knows?

https://www.desmoinesregister.com/s...-student-body-found-brooklyn-iowa/1056319002/

From this article:

Rhonda Petersen, an employee at a Casey’s gas station in downtown Brooklyn, said Rivera would come into the store "every couple days or so" after work, get something to eat and leave. Peterson said she didn’t talk with him because he mostly spoke Spanish. She said she hasn’t seen him in Casey’s for "probably a couple weeks at least."

 

[pamelado2]

Duplicate

 

[Charliegizmo49]

Ok. Folks are having trouble with the term stalking. Here is Blacks Law Divtionary definition:

STALK

THELAW.COM LAW DICTIONARY & BLACK'S LAW DICTIONARY 2ND ED.

To follow, watch and observe another person in a manner that is disturbing to the person being observed.

Here’s advice to be helpful:

Being stalked is a more common occurrence than many people think. The most important thing is to reach out and tell someone what you believe is happening. While it is almost always creepy and annoying, being stalked could be a precursor to more violent or serious crimes. While it may start relatively harmlessly – you see the same person in the same place every day, multiple times per day – it could potentially progress.

Do you think it may have happened

Once. ?

Twice. ?

Once a week. ?


A whole bunch. ?

 

[MistyWaters]

I have no idea why you would think I am comparing that to Mollie. Of course she had every right to say leave me alone. That has absolutely NOTHING to do with what I said. My response was a direct reply to someone who had replied that Rivera was blaming the victim. Since many people don't agree, I was just giving an example of how blaming someone else for your actions can be very subtle. I'll give another example you might be able to understand better: A man hits his wife. Later he apologizes, saying," I'm so sorry, I didn't mean it, you just got me so angry." Although he is not coming right out and saying it, he is hinting that it's HER fault that he got mad and hit her. Is that a little bit clearer? Can you see how he is victim blaming?

No sorry, I guess we just see differently. All I’m seeing is a few lines typed on an affidavit that summarized many hours of questioning. So CR claims he got mad after Mollie threatened to call police. But the reason her threat caused him to go blotto isn’t stated but I’m certain it was asked, maybe even answered. Was it deep fear of police, irrational rage over rejection, a momentary flashback to another incident or something else....we don’t know the reason he didn’t choose to do the right thing by walking away. But I don’t see the reason is associated to blame.

 

[Peaches96]

He held his own daughter in his arms while knowing he had taken away another.

This has to be the saddest, most real thing I’ve ever read on this thread. Such a painful truth of what he took away. So, so senseless.

 

[MsBetsy]

Chris Watts who killed his wife and little children in Colorado blames his wife. Says he killed her because she killed the kids.

There is nothing unusual in CR saying it his not his fault. Totally typical. Probably nothing in his life is his fault.

It is interesting how people say CR is such a great guy, They said that about Chris Watts as well.

I think you are right. I'm amazed that so many posters don't see that as victim blaming, or making excuses for his behavior, or assuming it impossible that this guy MAY have been previously watching her or planning to murder her. This is exactly what his behavior suggests to me, as well as the fact that he didn't seem bothered by what he had done at all. Jmo

 

[Bellecent]

CR would have to have been particularly smart in his approach, such as parking his vehicle in specific locations along MT's running routes consistently to make it appear his vehicle being there would not be considered 'unusual' and he also would have to be sure not to be seen (by MT and possibly other runners / residents). How often could he do such a thing and not be noticed at the scenes or by others who might have expected him to be at his home or other places?

Of course he might have simply driven his vehicle around Brooklyn and perimeter roads from time to time and happened to pass MT on occasion so as not to have raised suspicion.

Either way, I believe he knew of MT (maybe other joggers as well?) and decided MT (because she looked very much like CR's ex-gf) would be his target.

Did CR know where MT lived (J house and/or her mother's house)? Did CR sit-in-wait of when MT exited the house or did CR simply drive through Brooklyn at times coinciding with MT's run schedule?

Sorry if this has been answered but are there other unsolved missing person cases in the area? I don't believe he just blacked out. So was his motive just to abduct and kill? Could he be gulity of other crimes. By today's standards he is old for his first crime.

 

[Leney]

The problem that CR and his new lawyers have is that CR has given his story; LE has the Fitbit and digital footprint associated with Mollie; LE will want to see if there is a tie up with his story (there are chunks missing); I think his story will be very different to the Fitbit and digital footprint evidence that LE has.

Most runners will use more than one app.
The aspect of the fitbit I liked was not having to open up my phone.
I was able to glance at my wrist.
I had a number of issues with the fitbit data, and parted ways with it quickly.
The most reliable, was an app I had used for some time which I kept directly on my phone.

 

[pamelado2]

Of course he's been this guy forever. He's the cold blooded murderer, he's the sexual preditor. Yes, he's a horrible person, and your personality is set at birth. So he was born this way. He is to blame, not his victim or anyone else.

That's your opinion. Except for the fact that he's a murderer and to blame.
And by the way, your personality is not set at birth.

 

[MsBetsy]

Mollie Tibbetts case: What we know about her accused killer

From this article:

Rhonda Petersen, an employee at a Casey’s gas station in downtown Brooklyn, said Rivera would come into the store "every couple days or so" after work, get something to eat and leave. Peterson said she didn’t talk with him because he mostly spoke Spanish. She said she hasn’t seen him in Casey’s for "probably a couple weeks at least."

Was that the one who also said he was a "clean cut American person?"

 

[rebel123]

I think it was a quick ambush, I can’t see him parking his car to run after her, that would cause way too much suspicion and he would have to carry her back to the car, open his trunk and put her in all in broad daylight.

I think this might of been mentioned before; he could of headed way in front of her; pretended that the car had broken down; had the bonnet and boot both open; she stops running (from what we know she would be concerned - kind-heart); she offers the use of her mobile. The boot is open, he hits her on the head, etc.

 

[cody22]

Good morning to all.... I am enjoying yall's many different types of posts....Have a fun day and...Come on trial !

 

[MsBetsy]

We don't know what LE was throwing at him when he came up with his "story". I think he was boxed in and came up with his version. IMO he likely is a Sociopath. How often do we hear "what a wonderful person" what he was behind closed doors, if crossed etc. etc. is likely very different. We may never hear given some of his peers status. Again I believe this was a blitz attack. Mollie has her earbuds in and doesn't even hear him approaching. Quick grab, possibly disable. She is then at his mercy.

I agree with you. That type of person has had their whole life to study and mimick "normal behavior." It is not uncommon for others not to pick up on it. They have had many years to perfect their skills, and say all the right things to make people believe they actually have real feelings. Imo

 

[MistyWaters]

This is all we know so far about the contact CR had with Mollie, LE is not elaborating on the extent of his sightings or encounters with her.


.....Chevy Malibu that was seen on July 18 “driving back and forth” in the same area of Brooklyn where Tibbetts had been running.

Under questioning he allegedly admitted crossing paths in Brooklyn with a “female jogger” — believed to be Tibbetts — whom he followed in his car before getting out and then following “behind and alongside” her.

However, they said, Rivera “seemed to be drawn to her [Tibbetts] on that particular day and chose to abduct her.”

Rivera had allegedly seen Tibbetts before, according to Rick Rahn of the Iowa Division of Criminal Investigation, but he told reporters on Tuesday that he could not elaborate.

Mollie Tibbetts' Accused Killer Describes Finding Her Body in His Trunk After Her Jog: Police

Thank you for going to the trouble of finding that link because between that and below, I’ve noticed absolutely nothing that confirms CR watched or stalked Mollie the prior day as well.

“Investigators have no information that Tibbetts and Rivera knew each other personally, Mortvedt said.

"There is nothing that we have come across as of yet that shows they had any type of relationship," he said. "And I don’t mean intimate dating, I mean friendship, acquaintance, what have you."

"He had mentioned I believe that he had seen her before, in what context I don’t know if it was just in passing or had seen her in town somewhere, but it sounded like he at least had recognized her," he added.“
Investigator: Suspect in Mollie Tibbetts' death 'hadn't come across the radar' until Monday

 

[rebel123]

Most runners will use more than one app.
The aspect of the fitbit I liked was not having to open up my phone.
I was able to glance at my wrist.
I had a number of issues with the fitbit data, and parted ways with it quickly.
The most reliable, was an app I had used for some time which I kept directly on my phone.

It would be of interest to find out which App Mollie was using.

 

[kpm]

I think this might of been mentioned before; he could of headed way in front of her; pretended that the car had broken down; had the bonnet and boot both open; she stops running (from what we know she would be concerned - kind-heart); she offers the use of her mobile. The boot is open, he hits her on the head, etc.

Yes, I know I listed that as one of my scenarios

I don’t see him chasing her as his initial plan of attack, unless she somehow got free from him at the abduction site, which could be plausible if we believe his statements are laced with some truth.

 

[Al Hoffman]

Ok. Folks are having trouble with the term stalking. Here is Blacks Law Divtionary definition:

STALK

THELAW.COM LAW DICTIONARY & BLACK'S LAW DICTIONARY 2ND ED.

To follow, watch and observe another person in a manner that is disturbing to the person being observed.

Here’s advice to be helpful:

Being stalked is a more common occurrence than many people think. The most important thing is to reach out and tell someone what you believe is happening. While it is almost always creepy and annoying, being stalked could be a precursor to more violent or serious crimes. While it may start relatively harmlessly – you see the same person in the same place every day, multiple times per day – it could potentially progress.

Do you think it may have happened

Once. ?

Twice. ?

Once a week. ?


A whole bunch. ?

Good citation, thanks.

I hope that we can all agree to accept "stalking" as a euphemism, at the very least, for CR following MT with less than good intent, for however long. Everything else is just a question of degree, as the outcome is already known.

 

[kpm]

Thank you for going to the trouble of finding that link because between that and below, I’ve noticed absolutely nothing that confirms CR watched or stalked Mollie the prior day as well.

“Investigators have no information that Tibbetts and Rivera knew each other personally, Mortvedt said.

"There is nothing that we have come across as of yet that shows they had any type of relationship," he said. "And I don’t mean intimate dating, I mean friendship, acquaintance, what have you."

"He had mentioned I believe that he had seen her before, in what context I don’t know if it was just in passing or had seen her in town somewhere, but it sounded like he at least had recognized her," he added.“
Investigator: Suspect in Mollie Tibbetts' death 'hadn't come across the radar' until Monday

I do think we will come to find he “watched” Mollie and others from afar, if stories are true, he even approached some and contacted some on SM.

I think at the very least there could be a pattern of admiring from distance and approaching others

My bet is the DA will lay that all out with video and testimony

 

[kpm]

It would be of interest to find out which App Mollie was using.

She was following a few running sites on SM, but I don’t know if they are apps.