IA - Mollie Tibbetts, 20, Poweshiek County, 19 Jul 2018 *Arrest* #42

[kpm]

I would think that police asked the suspect to take him on the route that he remembers. He remembers everything up to the abduction, so that part would be easy. There must have been searches at that location. Then he has the memory lapse, but he's able to use his phone to identify the location where he left her body. My guess is that investigators asked him to guide them to that location from the abduction site using his phone maps if necessary.

The abduction site is key for evidence and pinpointing if she may have died there or in the cornfield

 

[Caylee Advocate]

Why would he question it? He knew who he was.

Let me look for it, I’m pretty sure it’s in the article that says CR’s family is baffled by this

His uncle probably is in the same position?

It could be this article, I can’t open it because I’m not going to pay

Washington Post: Breaking News, World, US, DC News & Analysis


I will keep looking though!



Rivera’s uncle, Eustaquio “Capi” Bahena Radilla, said he fears less for himself than for his three school-age children.

Most days, Bahena Radilla socializes only with co-workers at Yarrabee Farms.

Even if he spent more time in town, he wouldn’t know if neighbors were whispering about him — he doesn’t speak English.

Thank you.

 

[otto]

The abduction site is key for evidence and pinpointing if she may have died there or in the cornfield

If she died at the abduction site, and if he had no ill intentions in relation to her, wouldn't he have left her at the abduction site?

 

[Al Hoffman]

Never drinking it again. But what about boiling it?

OT - Boiling doesn't remove any impurities, or contaminates. Some bottled waters are simply bottled city tap water, others are from wells. An activated charcoal filter will remove a lot of organic contaminates, but not Iron. This is your best option short of reverse osomosis/distilled water. Change charcoal filters as often as required, as they "fill up". Most all water to make soft drinks, sparkling and flavored waters and beer will have iron removed and may also be charcoal filtered (Coca Cola products for sure).

 

[kpm]

That's my impression as well, especially in light of the fact that police mentioned that he had "previously" seen Mollie jogging. What that suggests to me is that this may not have been the first time that he planned to abduct Mollie, but this was the first time that everything lined up such that he believed his risks were managed. The only factor that he overlooked was the distant CCTV footage that captured part of his uniquely detailed car.

I’ve been thinking about his thoughts surrounding the attack and the first 24 hours

He had to have known she had family waiting at home after her run or a co-worker wondering where she was the next day.

IIRC, LE didn’t immediately start a search but family and friends did?

 

[MsBetsy]

No, I’m saying even if you were qualified to diagnose the guy you’d need a lot more than what you read in the arrest affidavit to do so.

True, there is a whole battery of tests, and a huge part of that includes background history and observation. But we still have plenty to go on based on what we know, to speculate and come to a pretty reasonable idea of what the results may be. And even then, different psychologists can come up with different diagnosis anyway so how could it possibly hurt?

 

[Charliegizmo49]

Thank you for going to the trouble of finding that link because between that and below, I’ve noticed absolutely nothing that confirms CR watched or stalked Mollie the prior day as well.

“Investigators have no information that Tibbetts and Rivera knew each other personally, Mortvedt said.

"There is nothing that we have come across as of yet that shows they had any type of relationship," he said. "And I don’t mean intimate dating, I mean friendship, acquaintance, what have you."

"He had mentioned I believe that he had seen her before, in what context I don’t know if it was just in passing or had seen her in town somewhere, but it sounded like he at least had recognized her," he added.“
Investigator: Suspect in Mollie Tibbetts' death 'hadn't come across the radar' until Monday

I do believe there’s a strong inference he had watched her before. And it appears there are 2 others who had the same type of contact with him. Imo I think it will be known he had her movements down pretty well.

I think by admitting he had seen her is enough to suggest he may have been watching.

And I don’t believe we will have s definitive answer soon. But that’s what WS is all about. Suggesting scenarios and sleuthing.

I differ in opinion to many here and we all appreciate differing viewpoints.

And mostly are respectful, although I’ve had my moments.

 

[CuriousCricket]

There seems to be some tendency to lean towards that idea that Mollie was jogging when along came a nice, hard-working farm-hand who asked her on a date.

If we were to view this through Mollie's eyes, is that what she saw and experienced?

A nice hard-working farm hand is NOT what I see at all. But I don't think I'm seeing a planned murder, either. I see an arrogant man, stuck on himself, with a chip on his shoulder on that day. His idea of wooing a woman includes cat-calls and wolf-whistles, which Mollie would find offensive and insulting -- especially since he had to know she had a boyfriend.

As exemplary as Mollie appears to have been, the suggestion she might cheat on DJ would have been insulting IMO.

Now, has CR had a difficult time, being sent by his family to help improve the family financially? Yes. Farm work is backbreaking, 7-day-a-week work, before sunup working and some days to sunset and early dark. Plus, he was just a kid when he arrived, but was immediately thrust into a law-breaking lifestyle that required him to lead a hidden, double life.

On July 18, did CR have delusions he was asking the little lady out? maybe. Or he could have been just "messin' with her" to hear him tell it. I don't think his intentions were harmful -- irritating and annoying, yes, but not harmful at the beginning.

But a testosterone-drunk young man with too much cologne (MY OWN POETIC LICENSE HERE) and an ego bigger than Jupiter was never going to appeal to Mollie.

I don't think CR set out that night to kill anyone. I think seeing her jogging did "perk" him up and he followed her. Maybe he was having a bad day and actually drove into town thinking that seeing her would cheer him up.

Somewhere a fuse on his explosive temperament got lit (that explosive comment came from the article about the young woman who told about coming back into town and running into CR, who acted strange and didn't want to talk about Mollie. That article is the one that mentions his short fuse and explosive personality).

It is my opinion that a really, fine, hard-working farm hand is not going to be cruising round Brooklyn nor anywhere else in a chromed-out Malibu, wearing a gallon of after shave (poetic license again), hanging out the window wolf-whistling at girls. Those real good fellas will have a beat-up-old pick-em-up truck and be too shy to do more than kinda wave or nod to a pretty girl.

Of course, that's just my take on it -- subject to change faster than the weather as my mind sifts and sorts through all this stuff.

 

[glamourkitty1922]

That's your opinion. Except for the fact that he's a murderer and to blame.
And by the way, your personality is not set at birth.

By the way, he's a sexual preditor as well, he killed her because she wasn't interested in him. That is a sexual preditor. It is not "opinion", it's the truth. You cannot blame his murdering that poor girl on anyone but himself. It's not his society's fault, nobody made him a murderer. He made himself a murderer. Yes, your personality is set at birth. That's the reason bad families have good kids and good families have bad kids.

 

[glamourkitty1922]

Good citation, thanks.

I hope that we can all agree to accept "stalking" as a euphemism, at the very least, for CR following MT with less than good intent, for however long. Everything else is just a question of degree, as the outcome is already known.

Actually I use stalking as a hunter stalking it's prey. That's where the term "stalk" comes from.

 

[otto]

I’ve been thinking about his thoughts surrounding the attack and the first 24 hours

He had to have known she had family waiting at home after her run or a co-worker wondering where she was the next day.

IIRC, LE didn’t immediately start a search but family and friends did?

Statistics suggest that Mollie was deceased within an hour of abduction, long before anyone knew that she was missing.

68.7% of abduction victims are deceased in less than an hour. Mollie was most likely abducted at 7:45 at the location on the arrest warrant, and deceased at the cornfield location 43 minutes later.

https://academicworks.cuny.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1545&context=gc_etds

 

[kpm]

If she died at the abduction site, and if he had no ill intentions in relation to her, wouldn't he have left her at the abduction site?

Exactly

So we know he blacked out at the abduction site according to him

When he opened the trunk there was blood on her head, according to him

LE is calling it an abduction too, does that mean they feel she was alive on 385th?

I think it does.

 

[Al Hoffman]

Here’s the bottom line - you’re not going to be able to get in this guy’s head and know what he was thinking because your mind (hopefully) doesn’t go there.

And even if it did, you have as much chance of figuring what his decision tree was on that particular evening as knowing which way a cockroach will run when you turn on the light! CR took the initiative, acted spontaneously and acted from moment to moment until he drove away from the corn field, leaving MT's remains. No great plan, just dumb luck! It happens sometimes.

 

[Crystal Regan]

Never drinking it again. But what about boiling it?

I don’t know about that. I would think so. We installed a whole home filtration system as a precaution even though we are on city now.

 

[MsBetsy]

That's my impression as well, especially in light of the fact that police mentioned that he had "previously" seen Mollie jogging. What that suggests to me is that this may not have been the first time that he planned to abduct Mollie, but this was the first time that everything lined up such that he believed his risks were managed. The only factor that he overlooked was the distant CCTV footage that captured part of his uniquely detailed car.

Prepare yourself for a barrage of posts arguing that notion. I said the same exact thing last night and was hit with at least 15 posts arguing against that very thing. I'm just relieved I can take a break trying to defend that theory.

 

[glamourkitty1922]

I'm not sure I understand your point. Are you saying that murderers can't be "nice guys" - either to some people in their lives or for a portion of their lives? All murderers are not necessarily horrible monsters their entire lives.
Personally, I don't think CW would have ever done to a stranger what he did to his family. I think it's also possible that CR would have never done to a family member/friend what he did to Mollie.
Is it any wonder that these guys have been described as nice or good fathers? People always hide the worst of themselves if possible.

I also personally believe very few evil people start out as evil.

You're saying a guy hunts down a woman, abducts her, kills her is a nice person? No, neither of those things (CR or CW) are nice people. They may fool some people, just like the BTK killer, Dahmer, etc etc down to probably Jack the Ripper had people who thought of them as "nice".

 

[kpm]

Statistics suggest that Mollie was deceased within an hour of abduction, long before anyone knew that she was missing.

68.7% of abduction victims are deceased in less than an hour. Mollie was most likely abducted at 7:45 at the location on the arrest warrant, and deceased at the cornfield location 43 minutes later.

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https://academicworks.cuny.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1545&context=gc_etds

I’m still on the fence about her time of death and if she was held for any period of time based on what LE has said.

Great info, I posted a few articles last night on the psychology of stabbing a victim, to paraphrase, basically most female stabbing victims are are stabbed during a SA.

 

[glamourkitty1922]

I suppose I could ask the question - why do we care if CR “blamed” Mollie?

That’s still no excuse for murder.

Because it shows that he has no remorse for his brutal killing (and probably rape) of that girl. It shows that he is a cold blooded murderer.

 

[glamourkitty1922]

Oh for sure, investigators certainly need to look at that. When they get to trial and want to assert that CR was stalking Mollie, or even prowling around with nefarious intentions, they darn well better be able to back that up.

I doubt there will be any problem with proving that with it's own words and the video of it following her with his car.

 

[Charliegizmo49]

Thank you.

Sad day when someone has lived in the USA for as many years as his uncle and never learned English.

I learned Romanian as a child because I was raised by my great grandmother. I spoke English to understand it but at the age of 5 was quickly taught very good English as a requirement for school.

It seems times have changed significantly.

Today I can understand Romanian and even some Russian, but not fluently. However I vividly recall the cuss words I repeated from relatives. I think it was the soap my great grandmother used in my mouth when I got caught telling someone to go to h__l!!!!!