IA - Mollie Tibbetts, 20, Poweshiek County, 19 Jul 2018 *Arrest* #43

[MyBelle]

<modsnip: snipped quote> it would have raised a red flag which would be an indicator to run it through e-Verify.

 

[Crystal Regan]

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Doesn’t seem like it’s a discriminatory thing. He wasn’t who he said he was.

 

[Crystal Regan]

Doesn’t seem like it’s a discriminatory thing. He wasn’t who he said he was.

Again CR was in the wrong, not the employer.

 

[rebel123]

SS death records are public. You can look at the death records for someone on Ancestry. It will show birth date, death date, legal name and yes, SSN.

That's bizarre; encourages fraud.

 

[Followfacts]

John Budd hummm.. what if the uncle got the name to use for CR to obtain employment, and since Yarbree farms owners liked the uncles work and trusted him that they agreed to Employ the nephew (who is how old??)but of course the owners knew the uncle and John budd was his nephew?? Well it does appear uncle Rivera and nephew John Budd had some help somewhere... I’m beginning to think maybe John Budd an identity so adopted by CR that possibly he did freak out...OR he did what he did without consequences, to shed that John Budd identity....living a lie got to him and he felt rage about his masculinity being rejected, his TRUE identity being hidden for years. He went after Mollie for sexual gratification which resulted in multiple sharp force COD injuries; RAGE. Surely having a dual identity has a significant psychological impact, living a lie for years, no authenticity even with your own name..like who the —— am I. Detachment from your identity your true self.. enstrangment from your inner world, everyday, thoughts and feelings not yours.. that could be a part of the why IMO it happened, identity and sexual rage.

 

[MyBelle]

Again CR was in the wrong, not the employer.

Unless the employer didn't really try to verify CR's credentials at all. Identity theft is a serious crime.

 

[MyBelle]

That's bizarre; encourages fraud.

Yes, it does. And e-Verify would have caught it if the owner of the # was dead.

 

[Crystal Regan]

Unless the employer didn't really try to verify CR's credentials at all. Identity theft is a serious crime.

If he had a state issued ID or birth certificate and SS card he will pass e verify.

 

[Crystal Regan]

There is 8,904 birth records for the name John Budd in Ancestry. There may be several people walking around with that name. If anyone knows dob, I will research further.

 

[Al Hoffman]

I don't believe it is discriminatory to question it. I do believe it is discriminatory to deny CR the job based on his race. Obviously, they hired him.

Prohibited Practices- www.eeoc.gov

It is against Federal law to ask a hire questions about their race or national origin, or to refuse to hire them for the same reason.

 

[rebel123]

There is 8,904 birth records for the name John Budd in Ancestry. There may be several people walking around with that name. If anyone knows dob, I will research further.

I don't think that info is available; but LE will have details of who the ID and SS number belongs too; that's probably been the easiest part of the investigation.

 

[Al Hoffman]

That's bizarre; encourages fraud.

Welcome to the www. The Feds have a list of SSN's of the deceased. That is one of the things checked when you call in to verify (not e-verify an SSN). CR's employer did what was required by the law, and maybe not much more. But, also, the employer won't admit knowledge of info that could be provided by prohibited questions. It is a wink, wink, nod, nod practice that is common in the industry.

 

[MyBelle]

If he had a state issued ID or birth certificate and SS card he will pass e verify.

We don't know if his birthday matches the real John Budd. If it doesn't, e-Verify would have flagged it.

 

[MyBelle]

Prohibited Practices- www.eeoc.gov

It is against Federal law to ask a hire questions about their race or national origin, or to refuse to hire them for the same reason.

It's against Federal law to hire illegal immigrants.

 

[Crystal Regan]

Welcome to the www. The Feds have a list of SSN's of the deceased. That is one of the things checked when you call in to verify (not e-verify an SSN). CR's employer did what was required by the law, and maybe not much more. But, also, the employer won't admit knowledge of info that could be provided by prohibited questions. It is a wink, wink, nod, nod practice that is common in the industry.

I wonder if they choose real infant deaths for the fake id’s; maybe apply for ssn after ordering a copy of the birth certificate.....just an idea. When I was a child we had to wait for a ssn until school age and in the 90s it wasnt automatic either.

 

[Mom24]

Thank you; I suppose like everything, it can be forged.

It's even easier than all that.

It's against Federal law to hire illegal immigrants.

And it's against federal law for a potential employer to ask a person their ethnicity or their immigration status.

 

[Jeng1810]

When someone looking like CR comes to me with ID indicating he is John Budd.....like bells go off, whistles sound and flags are flying?!?! OMG! I expected something WAY closer to his real name!!!!

 

[MyBelle]

I don't think that info is available; but LE will have details of who the ID and SS number belongs too; that's probably been the easiest part of the investigation.

I think the hardier part is determining who supplied CR with the fraudulent Social Security number. They arrested a guy in Nebraska last month because he was recruiting the illegals and supplying the fake documents and forced the employees to then cash their paychecks at his grocery store. He kept a portion claiming it was for federal tax withholding. He scammed the employees of nearly $8 million dollars. Mollie's murder has really shined a light on employers.
E-Verify gets renewed attention in wake of Mollie Tibbetts' death, but system isn't fool-proof

 

[MyBelle]

It's even easier than all that.

And it's against federal law for a potential employer to ask a person their ethnicity or their immigration status.

The employer is supposed to VERIFY every employee's immigration status. Form I-9 is required.

 

[PommyMommy]

From what I found they only brought in search dogs, they only search for live humans

That’s why I was wondering if anyone knows if they ever brought in cadaver dogs.

With someone missing that long the chances of them being found alive are slim

Despite Unsuccessful Search, Mollie’s Cousin Remains Hopeful
Mollie Tibbetts’ investigation took a twist when investigators went back to an area that was already searched, this time with cadaver dogs. WC lives nearby, WC says earlier this week he was questioned by investigators about Mollie Tibbetts where about.