IA - Mollie Tibbetts, 20, Poweshiek County, 19 Jul 2018 *Arrest* #43

[JenniD]

It’s way to much to write up on a post but you can look up how illegals steal identities, they basically start with a fake birth certificate and work their way up to getting all the documents

When I saw his fake name was John Budd I thought are you kidding me!! So my curiosity got the best of me and I contacted a dear friend of mine who is Hispanic, a US citizen born here but spent majority of her childhood and young adult life in Mexico prior to moving back to the US. She is a very intelligent woman and has worked with immigrants both legal and illegal as well as the LE and immigration for many years. I questioned her on how CR or any other illegal can come up with documents that appear to be valid.WOW did I learn a lot
3 basic ways.
1-Purchase off the black market for a fee to include a birth certificate, ss# and ID all in someone's name deceased or not. She said hackers obtain the information very easily and have everything ready with your picture e
2- Rent one. This one blew my mind. John Doe lives in the US legally could be citizen or not-JD works for cash but he rents his SS# and other pertinent documents out to any number of people. Fake ID is made very easily with your picture etc. then the buyers pay into social security under John Does name and he gets the benefit of all those wages as well as the rent he collects. Buyers never file income tax and John Doe gets the refunds
3. Just plain stolen IDs. New documents made easily with today's technology. Her guess in CR case was either black market or rent. She said it is a whole different world
Hope you enjoy this bit of inside info as much as I did

 

[di anna]

Wow this is huge that this guy had an alias

 

[Jaclin]

Since I have no idea what goes on in his head, I'm not saying that this is his problem, but I wanted to give a comparison to someone I knew years ago. I met him through one of his relatives who was dating a friend of mine, and she had told me that he was a really nice guy. The 4 of us went to a movie and dinner one night, and 3 of us had a good conversation, while he sat there and never said a word. I assumed he just didn't like me, and I was fine with that, but 2 days later I got a letter from him (no email/FaceBook, etc. back then). It was several pages long, and he had put down word for word what he would have said during the night if he hadn't been so anxious. He asked me for another chance, and I agreed.

The second "date" was just like the first, except that there was nobody else there to fill in the silence, and once again he sent a play by play of what he had wanted to say in reply to my comments & questions, and things happening around us. His letters actually sounded like he'd be an interesting person if he ever opened up, so I was dumb enough to accept a third time. That night (my birthday) we met up with several of my friends and relatives and went dancing. He did say a few words to a couple people, but never said a word to me. If I left the table to dance, he'd stand next to the dance floor and stare; I finally had enough when I went into the restroom with a couple relatives to figure out how to get rid of him, and came out to find him standing there staring at the door.

As far as I know, this guy never raped or murdered anyone, but he definitely lacked social skills. Because of that, I don't assume that CR's "creepy staring" was a lot more than wishful thinking; perhaps he thought that those girls looked down on him because he was just a farm hand, or because of his language skills. It doesn't make what he did any more acceptable than it was, but it may be part of the reason for his odd behavior. If I had found out that the guy I knew had murdered someone, it wouldn't really have surprised me much even though I never "heard" a bad word from him, never knew him to threaten anyone and never saw him lose his temper.

wow, i'm kinda the same way, but to not talk at all on a date is extreme! A third date shows you are very patient! I could see myself doing that to a crush if I wasn't sure if he liked me and there were other people around, but if I was out with just him I would be saying something. I might not share a lot of feelings, and there might be some awkward quiet moments, but we'd find something to discuss. I'm also much braver online. I think I just have a healthy fear of intimacy due to growing up in a dysfunctional household that makes it difficult for me to approach or talk to anyone I'm actually attracted to. Taylor Swift's lyrics hold true for me:
"You should take it as a compliment
That I'm talking to everyone here but you"
I've actually decided a better partner might be someone I can remain sane around (feel comfortable with, not nervous around), even if I'm not as attracted. But, everyone always tells me I am quiet. I can be socially awkward, for sure.
Usually it helps if people start talking to me first, or if I know someone really well I don't shut up. Much of how CR was described just comes across really shy like me. BUT, It's the following and flirting behaviors that some girls have discussed, if true, that don't fit into an introverted character, IMO.

 

[kpm]

When I saw his fake name was John Budd I thought are you kidding me!! So my curiosity got the best of me and I contacted a dear friend of mine who is Hispanic, a US citizen born here but spent majority of her childhood and young adult life in Mexico prior to moving back to the US. She is a very intelligent woman and has worked with immigrants both legal and illegal as well as the LE and immigration for many years. I questioned her on how CR or any other illegal can come up with documents that appear to be valid.WOW did I learn a lot
3 basic ways.
1-Purchase off the black market for a fee to include a birth certificate, ss# and ID all in someone's name deceased or not. She said hackers obtain the information very easily and have everything ready with your picture e
2- Rent one. This one blew my mind. John Doe lives in the US legally could be citizen or not-JD works for cash but he rents his SS# and other pertinent documents out to any number of people. Fake ID is made very easily with your picture etc. then the buyers pay into social security under John Does name and he gets the benefit of all those wages as well as the rent he collects. Buyers never file income tax and John Doe gets the refunds
3. Just plain stolen IDs. New documents made easily with today's technology. Her guess in CR case was either black market or rent. She said it is a whole different world
Hope you enjoy this bit of inside info as much as I did

Wow, I never thought about the rent one out version, wow



This is bigger than anyone can imagine

 

[kpm]

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I agree. I don’t recall anything about a license but I do remember that the investigator said the car was not registered to him.

I’ll bet the investigators make a trip to his hometown in Mexico and begin there. It’s going to be easier than to backtrack. Imo.

For all that’s known now CBR May have had several identities.

I think they have to, the guy is a virtual ghost, how can they trust anything they are told about him?

 

[human]

He was attending Preparatoria 35 in San Luis San Pedro, Guerrero, Mexico. The school is 7 miles from his home in El Guayabillo, Guerrero, Mexico. This is the link to the school:

Unidad Académica Escuela Preparatoria No. 35 - Escuela Bachillerato General - Tecpan de Galeana - Guerrero

I don't speak Spanish, so please correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems to me that if he was attending Preparatoria 35, then he was attending Grade 10 at school at the age of 16 before he moved to Iowa. In fact, his birthday is in June, so it's even possible that he completed Grade 10 prior to the move, which aligns with moving at the age of 17.

My impression is that the suspect had two options: continue with his education at home, or move to Iowa illegally. I don't know how the rules work for illegal immigrants attending school, so I would like to hear about any legal reasons why the suspect could not have enrolled in school in Iowa.

Regarding finances to support a 16 year nephew, if extended family can pay for a lawyer, they could probably support a nephew for two school years.

The suspect has been employed at the same farm for 4 years, and I think we can assume that he worked off and on at some point between the ages of 16/17 and 20. How long does it take to obtain illegal documents? Was he hired as an illegal immigrant at a couple of different farms, perhaps working seasonal rather than full time, before he obtained illegal documents and obtained full time work?

He may have not wanted to because of limited English

 

[kpm]

This is such BS

Totally agree with you

 

[mickey2942]

Just to be clear, employers can request Visas for temporary workers, for agricultural, and seasonal workers, maids for summer, ie...that would allow for workers to travel with a legal work authorization.

This employer was breaking the law.

 

[human]

Dairy farming is not seasonal.

Were you able to read the article about health insurance for farm workers? The most difficult are seasonal but it talks about the others

 

[kpm]

Just to be clear, employers can request Visas for temporary workers, for agricultural, and seasonal workers, maids for summer, ie...that would allow for workers to travel with a legal work authorization.

This employer was breaking the law.

He may have had a fake one?

Inside the Black Market for Fake Green Cards

For roughly $200, you can get a counterfeit green card that's almost as good as the real deal.

Inside the Black Market for Fake Green Cards

 

[JenniD]

Wow, I never thought about the rent one out version, wow



This is bigger than anyone can imagine

Oh. I forgot she also said they just make up a name and a Ss# and have documents printed in that alias although she said that is much much harder to get away with now with employers required to verify. Also said that the DMV is now verifying prior to giving licenses in some states

 

[Jaclin]

How can they even verify CR is his real name, other than from relatives who claim it is?

I'm sure there are public records in Mexico that could help verify his real identity, and I'm sure our government has friends there who could do that.

 

[Seattle1]

Just to be clear, employers can request Visas for temporary workers, for agricultural, and seasonal workers, maids for summer, ie...that would allow for workers to travel with a legal work authorization.

This employer was breaking the law.

CR was not a seasonal or temp worker. He was employed full-time for 4 years . Milk cows don't take a break! What law did Employer break? As far as we know, he collected info required at hiring, issued Annual Wage & Tax Statement to employee, as well as filing his Employer quarterly returns-- apparently without raising any red flag from the agencies, alerting him he had an invalid/fake SSN on his staff. If a state and/or federal tax auditor cannot determine fake identification, how can dairy Employer be held to a higher standard?

 

[Jaclin]

Yarrabee Farms may have some explaining about their hiring practices to do....one more time.

oh wow. this is a completely different crime unrelated to MTs murder, but if this is for real I definitely would have double checked that ID, even triple checked. I'm not saying that there couldn't be a latino by that name, but I would have been very suspicious, especially if they didn't speak English natively. I could see someone going by John instead of Juan, but Budd is a very English name. May as well go by Elmer Fudd.

 

[cheko1]

Just to be clear, employers can request Visas for temporary workers, for agricultural, and seasonal workers, maids for summer, ie...that would allow for workers to travel with a legal work authorization.

This employer was breaking the law.

Apparently he wasn't considered a part time or seasonal worker if he had worked for 4 years at that farm.

 

[human]

Okay, so maybe a lot of John Budds.

"Agriculture wouldn't be possible, because of the amount of immigrant labor needed in the dairy industry, in the hog industry, in the cattle industry," Pruismann said.

The fact is that Iowa's economy depends on its 84,000 immigrant workers — including those here without legal documentation, business and immigration experts say.

It's why some employers don't always take extra steps to check workers' documents, afraid they might discover inconsistencies, said Madeline Cano, who leads Iowa Citizens for Community Improvement’s immigrant rights project.

"They need the work to get done," Cano said, "so they'd rather not know. Don't ask, don't tell."

That uncomfortable truth came into sharp focus this week, after Cristhian Rivera was charged with the first-degree murder of Tibbetts, a University of Iowa student living in her hometown of Brooklyn this summer.

Mollie Tibbetts' death exposes Iowa's reliance on undocumented immigrants

Exactly. Everyone knows that these workers are not documented. The employers can pretend that they do not know, but it is so disingenuous that it is laughable.

 

[KaaBoom]

This is such BS

It's not BS. If you think that 84,000 US citizens are going to move to Iowa to live in a derelict trailer in the middle of a farm field, to milk cows for minimum wage, I've got a bridge somewhere to sell you.

 

[1987]

the way I see the car ownership is that he, as in himself..his body for lack of how to be clear, could have owned the car, but a different name that was used titled the car. he could have represented himself as any unknown number of names in addition to the known ones. also multiple people could be using the name he has papers for. kind of like online you can be anyone you decide to be and name yourself anything and use different names on different sites, just he could be doing the same in real life. a lot to wrap ones head around. could be no reason to run back to his home country if he just thought oh well ill just get a new name...likely a better way to put into words but that's the best I can put it. I haven't been commenting much because while the info gets into my brain and I can understand it I don't quite have the knowledge of how to put it back out into words. just seems it can get deep real fast and in ways not normaly thought of.

 

[MistyWaters]

Just to be clear, employers can request Visas for temporary workers, for agricultural, and seasonal workers, maids for summer, ie...that would allow for workers to travel with a legal work authorization.

This employer was breaking the law.

We don’t know that for certain because media reports indicate the law had big, wide cracks. But CR certainly broke the law by using false identity and notice not a word about charges being filed over that even though use of the fake name was mentioned by LE on day one.

I can see where CR has opened a huge can of worms because the issue is much larger than him, if indeed there’s a farm worker shortage in Iowa and elsewhere especially pertaining to illegal workers who’ve lived in the US for years.

What’s terribly awful is it was Mollie’s murder that shone the light on the issue even though it was totally unrelated to her life.

While I don’t really believe it, yet a fleeting thought that CR committed murder intentionally, anticipating the firestorm regarding illegal workers it would ignite, without caring if he spent the rest of his life in prison. He gets food, a bed, clothing, a roof over his head, medical needs and all that...

 

[Seattle1]

Oh. I forgot she also said they just make up a name and a Ss# and have documents printed in that alias although she said that is much much harder to get away with now with employers required to verify. Also said that the DMV is now verifying prior to giving licenses in some states

That method was more prevalent before I-9 requirement (ensures authorization to accept employment in US). It would be impossible to be employed by same employer for 4 years using a fake or stolen SSN number without being caught. CR more than likely used family credentials, or "rented" them. MOO